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I have checked out warmachine/hordes
None of the figures looked cool to me

So blood angels or dark angels
Elimenate 1 sm army


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Then I know dark angels would not be a good army for me

Four choices
1.Eldar
2.BloodAngels
3.imperial guard
4.chaos space marines

Do imperial guards have any monsters?


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No they don't they are out three left

Tropolious51.....

I think you should reconsider Necron. They are a fairly shooty army, with some good melee units.

The Scarab Swarms are designed to tie up enemy units in melee while they focus on other things.

The cheapest elite army I can think of is Blood Angels Death Company :

Astoroth The Grim

10 Death Company w/ Rhino Transport {340pts}
2x[power weapon + inferno pistol] 1x Thunder Hammer

10 Death Company w/Jump Packs {440pts}
2x Power Fist, 1x Power Weapon, 1x Power Weapon & Hand Flamer

Total 1000 pts. You can always split the squads down to sizes between 3-10 men. However they cannot score.

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Another cheap elite army that might work better is deathwing but it is dark angels.

Chaos space marines have a new book out. You can do plenty of thematic stuff and there is lots of variety. Even if one of your regular opponents plays chaos you can still take a different legion or chaos god since they fight each other as well!

I'd play chaos space marines he plays chaos demons
So what is the point value of dark vengence

Ralis wrote:
Tropolious51.....

I think you should reconsider Necron. They are a fairly shooty army, with some good melee units.

The Scarab Swarms are designed to tie up enemy units in melee while they focus on other things.

Plus, if you want cool models, Necrons has this:



I only play guard, and still, damn, I want that bad boy on my shelf.

So you want an army that is:
Good for beginners
Doesn't use a lot of models
Has strong Fast Attack, Elite, Heavy Support and Hq
Must be good at close combat.
Uses large "Monsters"
And it can't be Space Marines, Space Wolves, Tyranids, Chaos Daemons, Imperial Guard. Now those are the armies you specifically vetoed if I recall correctly and I think you may have mentioned CSM as well because your opponent plays Daemons.
You Seem Interested In Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Eldar and Tau but you have not mentioned your position on - Necrons, Orks, Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, Sisters of Battle and Black Templars.

So Narrowing it down from that Blood Angels, Dark angels, Grey Knights, Sisters, Black Templars are out because they don't have big monsters and the latter 2 are not for beginners.
Dark Eldar and Eldar are out because they are not* for beginners.
Orks are out because they use a lot of models.
Tau are out due to sucking at close combat.

So if you count giant robo bugs as monsters and don't mind taking said robo bugs to fill your desire for good CC units then the winner is NEWCRONS!!!!! they are the only army that even comes close to your criteria. They are also using the general consensus from my recent "army tiers thread" the most powerful codex going around at the moment.

Edited due to grammar.

I say dark vengeance since you will need a rulebook, that it comes with, either buy it at 75 alone for the full rulebook or 100 for DV set, then convert all to CSM, one kit gives you 6 chosen, one lord, 20 cultist, hellbrute, 3 bikes, 5 terminators, 10 normal SM, and a few to convert to HQ's. that is the easiest way to get a lot of units that have diversity, plus CSM have the newest codex that has a lot of different builds that you can do while not limiting at all. so you are looking at 100 for DV set, 50 for codex,and paints and glue. by far the best way to build on a budget.

By large monster I meant a hard piece of painting that would be impressive to use as a centerpiece


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Also who is up for the next update.

Am I the only person who is frustrated by OPs list of demands without once thinking for himself?

There's a whole website designed to market these things towards you. They will show you every cool thing you want and can buy.

If you question is "What army is good for a beginner?" the answer has been provided: Space Marines.

If your question is "What army would I like?" only you can decide. We are not you. Go to the GW website, go to the store, whatever. Make up your own mind, it is in fact, your own hobby.

Does

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Orks/ORK_INFANTRY_AND_WALKERS/ORK-WARBOSS-ON-WARBIKE.html

or

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440267a&prodId=prod1600094a

or

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440268a&prodId=prod1730002

Count as a large "monster"?

If so you could always do an ork Bike, Kopta and battlewagon army with some air support.

If those monsters arn't big enough just google "stompa" (not for regular 40k, but I don't think you get a more impressive piece)

No monster a centerpiece
Stompa is good

Read the lore of the different armies...pick which one you think you could see yourself being a general of, looking down on the table top and going "yup, this is awesome"

At least, this is what I find to be most effective

OP. Don't go Eldar. They're difficult, and probably in line for a bit of an overhaul in the next codex (next year sometime probably).

You sound like you should strongly consider either Necrons or Blood Angels. Both seem to fit what you want pretty well and can be good armies all around.

But I want a huge challenge
I also love to paint which army is good for that

It has to be Blood Angels or Necrons then, both are strong codexes. Both have 'big' centre piece units for you to paint. If you want a real painting challenge, go for Blood Angels, and paint them as Angels Encarmine the successor chapter, and have a Death Company/Sanguinary Guard based army, have fun painting all them white.

Eh I'm not.a big fan of traditional tanks
I think eldar is good for me

This thread will go on forever.

OP, just go on gamesworkshop.com and pick the one you like the best. Their site is set up to showcase each army in a comprehensive way for beginners.

I'm stuck beetween 3 armies



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Just give me five simple questions that I could judge each army on

Tropolious51 wrote:
I'm stuck beetween 3 armies



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Just give me five simple questions that I could judge each army on

Admit it, this thread is a giant troll that we have fallen for.....

 Zande4 wrote:

Tropolious51 wrote:
I'm stuck beetween 3 armies



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Just give me five simple questions that I could judge each army on

Admit it, this thread is a giant troll that we have fallen for.....

That's been my read on it since the beginning of page 2.

A massive troll or a very clever research campaign by GW into peoples views on different armies.....

No massive troll

What's a troll

Tropolious51 wrote:
What's a troll

RUH ROH SHAGGY

Huh
Ok then

What army should I choose
Chaos Space Marines vs Eldar

Tropolious51 wrote:
Chaos Space Marines vs Eldar

Necrons. More beginner friendly than either of those.

New codex
Looks good painted at all skill levels
Good monsterous creatures
Great vehicles
Solid dedicated CC units
Powerful shooters
Incredibly air-power
Powerful HQ units
Can be done with low model count.

If this does not answer your question, we cannot help you, and you probably need to just decide on your own. We have tried for three pages.

Go IG send wave after wave after wave of men at your enemy
Then when that fails send in the tanks....


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And if that fails MORE TANKS!!!

orkybenji wrote:
This thread is making my head hurt.

You have no idea.

But to answer the question on army. You sound like you want either Tau, Grey Knights or IG.
IG: go tanks and veterans, stormtroopers for a Lord commissar and you're pretty much set for most games. Also if you're buddies will let you, buy the Elysian's Book from Forge (Raid on Kasterel-Novem, with orks) and just use cadians with converted jump packs, these really pay off if you'd like an army to land and wreak havok: but be warned, your troops will get isolated and you might have to get into various CC without close support.

Tau: take two or three 8 man fire warrior squads with pulse rifles and (optional) transports. Then take Farsight and buy a crapton of Crisis suits and take them with Plasmas, Fusions, Flamers, and Burst Cannons and Multi firing systems and maybe shields. For heavy support take a squad of broadsides. DON'T take any Kroot, stealth, ethereals or Fast Attacks and tanks until later on. TRUST ME ON THIS I KNOW FROM PAIN (RECEIVING) ALL ABOUT TAU

Grey Knights (haven't played with them but alot against and alongside): Pretty easy to use but small armies. If you use them make sure to understand that you will be outnumbered but not outgunned or out-psycked or out-sworded almost every time

Those are my suggestions think wisely.

Edit:
Also think about what you like we are not, repeat NOT , you, we can't decide for you, as someone above has said.

Tropolious51 wrote:I'm stuck beetween 3 armies



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Just give me five simple questions that I could judge each army on

Do i like the look of the models?
Do i like the fluff (background/history)?
Do i like the themes they represent? Essentially, can i empathise with them, their motives and them as individuals?
Do i like the playstyle that they offer?
Where can i start, and where can i see myself taking them?

Tropolious51 wrote:Huh
Ok then

What army should I choose
Chaos Space Marines vs Eldar

See above questions. Only you can answer that.

get small circles and proxy the race you want to play but before pick a race that you like the looks if your a painter,if not.pick the grey models you like most.
try a few games first

Necrons! Easy for beginners to paint, fairly forgiving of learner strategy- with warriors getting up and laughing fun and it looks like air necron is strong this ed.