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2012/10/24 22:11:12
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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This came up in a game we played last night. No one knew the answer so we rolled off. I got the overwatch off, but then the demon prince still crushed my long fangs!!!
I have looked and looked and couldn't find anything out there.
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2012/10/24 22:13:39
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
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The quad-gun is not part of your unit. It is a weapon you fire provided you meet the requirement of being in base contact. It may be included in the assault if, for example, the attacker declares a multiple charge. However in your case it should not have fired Overwatch.
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2012/10/24 22:14:14
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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I would say yes, as overwatch is not really different from standard shooting with just a few minor exceptions. But all in all it's resolved as a regular shooting attack. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Boneblade wrote:The quad-gun is not part of your unit. It is a weapon you fire provided you meet the requirement of being in base contact. It may be included in the assault if, for example, the attacker declares a multiple charge. However in your case it should not have fired Overwatch.
Quad gun can't fire on it's own. So with what you're saying, it could never overwatch?
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2012/10/24 23:29:00
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Dakka Veteran
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Interesting one. Only the unit(s) being charged can Overwatch. If the squad manning the gun is destroyed in the assault, the gun is unaffected, to it wasn't assaulted, therefore it couldn't Overwatch.
The flipside is that an assaulted unit can Overwatch with whatever weapons it is armed with, which includes the gun. Unless the attacker declared a multi-charge, the gun can Overwatch but not be harmed by the charge.
Frankly, I'm not sure, but I'd probably go with allowing the Overwatch.
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2012/10/24 23:31:56
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Snapshot wrote:Interesting one. Only the unit(s) being charged can Overwatch. If the squad manning the gun is destroyed in the assault, the gun is unaffected, to it wasn't assaulted, therefore it couldn't Overwatch.
The flipside is that an assaulted unit can Overwatch with whatever weapons it is armed with, which includes the gun. Unless the attacker declared a multi-charge, the gun can Overwatch but not be harmed by the charge.
Frankly, I'm not sure, but I'd probably go with allowing the Overwatch.
Except the squad is not armed with the Gun. They are just allowed to fire it. That being said, the rules say that you can fire the Gun instead of one of your weapons, so yes, you can fire it for Overwatch.
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2012/10/25 00:17:04
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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So if the Quad Gun is assaulted on its own it can't Overwatch.
If the squad manning the Quad Gun is assaulted they can Overwatch using the Quad Gun.
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2012/10/25 00:35:45
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
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We had this issue come up early in 6th, asked it here didn't get much response. Our issue came simply from being forced to base the quad and how that works as it is sort of neutral in nature. Also had it come up where friendly and opposing units base the gun and iris firing on both players turns. GW really didn't cover fortifications well at all.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/476656.page
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2012/10/25 00:51:33
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
Battle Barge Impossible Fortress
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2012/10/25 01:05:39
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Stalwart Skittari
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There is no reason to assault the quad - if you wipe the squad you can then fire the quad gun plus it's not worth any kill points.
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2012/10/25 01:12:47
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Dakka Veteran
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 Brometheus wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2590005a_40K_RULEBOOK_v1a.pdf
Page 6.
Seems pretty clear. Nice one!
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2012/10/25 01:18:59
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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The only thing I see on Gun Emplacements is if you can shoot at it.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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2012/10/25 01:21:11
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
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Veteran Sergeant Beaky wrote:There is no reason to assault the quad - if you wipe the squad you can then fire the quad gun plus it's not worth any kill points.
You may want to kill it to prevent enemy use of it. You may be incapable of operating it(Tyranids and bs0/- units). Or in the situation I linked to, we had a situation where the quad gun had to be based do to model placement. Is that a multi charge? Or can it be ignored if desired.
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2012/10/25 01:34:40
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Seems to me that if you do charge the Quad along with the unit operating it, you'd suffer from the disordered charge rule; another reason to leave it alone.
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2012/10/25 04:48:02
Subject: Re:Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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The Conquerer
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A model in BtB with a Quad-gun(or Icarus Lascannon) can fire it instead of one of his own weapons. So yes, you can overwatch with a Quadgun/Icarus Lascannon.
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2012/10/25 05:07:13
Subject: Re:Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
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 Grey Templar wrote:A model in BtB with a Quad-gun(or Icarus Lascannon) can fire it instead of one of his own weapons. So yes, you can overwatch with a Quadgun/Icarus Lascannon.
No you can't. Read like 6 posts up,and check the GW FAQ. Only question is on how to treat it in an assault.
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2012/10/25 05:36:24
Subject: Re:Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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 NecronLord3 wrote: Grey Templar wrote:A model in BtB with a Quad-gun(or Icarus Lascannon) can fire it instead of one of his own weapons. So yes, you can overwatch with a Quadgun/Icarus Lascannon.
No you can't. Read like 6 posts up,and check the GW FAQ. Only question is on how to treat it in an assault.
Of course that FaQ is only for occupied fortifications, you know, buildings with emplaced weapons. It has no bearing on a Gun Emplacement with an ADL.
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2012/10/25 05:36:36
Subject: Re:Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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NecronLord3 wrote: Grey Templar wrote:A model in BtB with a Quad-gun(or Icarus Lascannon) can fire it instead of one of his own weapons. So yes, you can overwatch with a Quadgun/Icarus Lascannon.
No you can't. Read like 6 posts up,and check the GW FAQ. Only question is on how to treat it in an assault.
I read that thing twice and didn't see an answer to this question. Kinda tired though 
mind citing it?
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2012/10/25 05:45:50
Subject: Re:Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Dakka Veteran
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 DeathReaper wrote: NecronLord3 wrote: Grey Templar wrote:A model in BtB with a Quad-gun(or Icarus Lascannon) can fire it instead of one of his own weapons. So yes, you can overwatch with a Quadgun/Icarus Lascannon.
No you can't. Read like 6 posts up,and check the GW FAQ. Only question is on how to treat it in an assault.
Of course that FaQ is only for occupied fortifications, you know, buildings with emplaced weapons.
It has no bearing on a Gun Emplacement with an ADL.
I thought that too, but the FAQ does refer specifically to p114, which happens to be the page the ADL is described. I took the FAQ to include the use of the emplaced weapon on the ADL.
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2012/10/25 06:12:53
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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The ADL does not have any Emplaced weapons.
You can purchase a Gun Emplacement for it though.
P.S. Page 114 just tells us where the Fortifications are listed, aka they start on P.114.
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2012/10/25 10:58:27
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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A model in base to base with a gun emplacement may fire it instead of its own weapons. During overwatch a assaulted model may fire a weapon.
Seems pretty straight forward to me
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2012/10/25 12:14:55
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Dakka Veteran
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DeathReaper wrote:The ADL does not have any Emplaced weapons.
You can purchase a Gun Emplacement for it though.
P.S. Page 114 just tells us where the Fortifications are listed, aka they start on P.114.
I'm having a hard time splitting the hair between emplaced weapons in Fortifications (p6, BRB FAQ) and being able to purchase a gun emplacement as part of the ADL, which is a Fortification, and not have them be treated the same. I guess the concept of an "occupied Fortification" could be argued to NOT include an ADL with quad gun and model in b2b, but it seems to me the FAQ applies.
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2012/10/25 12:53:25
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Emplaced Weapon != Gun Emplacement.
Think of it this way,
Emplaced Weapon is a weapon mounted on a "vehicle" (technically a building, but this is just for comparison).
Gun Emplacements are"artillery" weapons that anyone can use (again technically it is not, just using this to compare the two).
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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2012/10/25 14:39:07
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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A quad gun is considered battlefield debris I think from the rulebook, not a weapon on a building.
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2012/10/25 14:44:01
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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This could of course open up another question then; if the gun is charged while there is a model in base contact, can the gun overwatch?
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2012/10/25 14:44:53
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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 Godless-Mimicry wrote:This could of course open up another question then; if the gun is charged while there is a model in base contact, can the gun overwatch?
No, as the gun cannot fire itself, and the unit that can fire it is not being charged.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/10/25 15:02:22
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Morphing Obliterator
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Happyjew wrote: Godless-Mimicry wrote:This could of course open up another question then; if the gun is charged while there is a model in base contact, can the gun overwatch?
No, as the gun cannot fire itself, and the unit that can fire it is not being charged.
The gun can fire itself iirc at BS2
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2012/10/25 15:03:26
Subject: Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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 Lord Yayula wrote:Happyjew wrote: Godless-Mimicry wrote:This could of course open up another question then; if the gun is charged while there is a model in base contact, can the gun overwatch?
No, as the gun cannot fire itself, and the unit that can fire it is not being charged.
The gun can fire itself iirc at BS2
Not Gun Emplacements. Emplaced Weapons do, however, as I stated earlier Emplaced Weapon !=Gun Emplacement.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/10/25 15:31:22
Subject: Re:Does a quad gun manned by a unit get overwatch if the unit is manning it?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Correct, Emplaced Weapons can be automatically fired at BS2.
Gun Emplacements require another model to fire the weapon.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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