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 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?

I'd ask where your from if so.

If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.

The deer herds in Maine exploded when farming came into the area. It wasn't unusual to see Moose on the farm I grew up on, either, with them coming right out into the middle of people in the fields and just standing and staring around.
Just out of curiousity, where do you live since it seems like you're in a pretty good place for hunting.

Yeah thats why I asked where you live.

My sister lives in Mecklenburg and while I love her dearly, she's dumbly anti-gun. And so is my mother. She's got her reason's being an ex-cop so, I'm not gonna fight her.

Where I live a lot of us honestly hunt because if we don't thin the herd, they would die, from getting hit by a car or otherwise starve to death. And I personally feel getting shot in the heart is a much cleaner death.

 gregor_xenos wrote:
Lol. If I wanted to hunt for population control, it would be with my truck doing 60 at 3 in the morning. ( that's when most get killed)
Gun control? Ha! Our season got extended last year. By a liberal politician. Accepting donations from insurance lobbyist. (They pay ALOT in claims in our state.) Are deer overpopulated in my area? Statistics say yes. The farmer who's land I hunt says he sees a few a month before the rut, so he thinks I'm keeping my area thin enough.

Yeah, I can second that (also live in NC). Don't even bother trying to plant anything outside (unless you surround it with electrified razor wire fences) because the swarm of deer will eat it long before you get to see any pretty flowers. The only problem with deer hunting here is that there isn't enough of it. I'd be perfectly happy with people just shooting them for the fun of it, as long as they dispose of the corpses.

Relapse wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?

I'd ask where your from if so.

If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.

The deer herds in Maine exploded when farming came into the area. It wasn't unusual to see Moose on the farm I grew up on, either, with them coming right out into the middle of people in the fields and just standing and staring around.
Just out of curiousity, where do you live since it seems like you're in a pretty good place for hunting.

I'm originally from Western New York, now I live in Albany. Gateway to both the Adirondacks and the Catskills. And yes I grew up in great area to hunt. If you were a hunter.

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 gregor_xenos wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?

I'd ask where your from if so.

If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.

Lol. If I wanted to hunt for population control, it would be with my truck doing 60 at 3 in the morning. ( that's when most get killed)
Gun control? Ha! Our season got extended last year. By a liberal politician. Accepting donations from insurance lobbyist. (They pay ALOT in claims in our state.) Are deer overpopulated in my area? Statistics say yes. The farmer who's land I hunt says he sees a few a month before the rut, so he thinks I'm keeping my area thin enough.

It's true. If we just did it for population control, there are much more efficient ways to do it. We hunt for fun. Thrill of the kill and it's only natural. Also the reason most people care about population control is because we want to keep the deer alive to hunt them.

Myself, it's been a long sense I went hunting. It's for the best though, I hate deer meat.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?

I'd ask where your from if so.

If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.

The deer herds in Maine exploded when farming came into the area. It wasn't unusual to see Moose on the farm I grew up on, either, with them coming right out into the middle of people in the fields and just standing and staring around.
Just out of curiousity, where do you live since it seems like you're in a pretty good place for hunting.

I'm originally from Western New York, now I live in Albany. Gateway to both the Adirondacks and the Catskills. And yes I grew up in great area to hunt. If you were a hunter.

I grew up in Northern Maine, by the Canadian border (New Brunswick), a nd it's another great area for hunting and fishing. I know the area you're talking about and it's pretty gorgeous there. I've descibed it to some people out here and they find it har d to believe since they envision New York and Pennsylvania as just a big collection of cities.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?

I'd ask where your from if so.

If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.

The deer herds in Maine exploded when farming came into the area. It wasn't unusual to see Moose on the farm I grew up on, either, with them coming right out into the middle of people in the fields and just standing and staring around.
Just out of curiousity, where do you live since it seems like you're in a pretty good place for hunting.

And not to feed into these anti-hunting thought-lines but I have ALWAYS wanted to hunt moose. My uncle is a professor for UNH but he's a (deleted) and I love my cousin but lets just say he's the definition of (deleted). It always make make me sad thinking about how the forest used to be. I would love to be able to hunt a moose but sadly we've relegated to them to being almost extinct.

It is a shame moose are so rare nowdays.

The fortunate thing is we have figured out how to save wildlife and properly manage them so Moose won't be going extinct, but it will probably be a very long time before we can hunt them like other Deer in the lower 48.

Hey, at least Bison have come back to the point where we can farm them for meat

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

 Samus_aran115 wrote:
Nope. I don't like killing things. I blew apart a rabbit with a .30-06 when I was a kid, and I was instantly overcome with grief and melancholy. I won't kill needlessly, if I can avoid it. Of course, that doesn't apply to Hadji or other enemies of state

So you overkilled an animal with a round meant for a sniper and think that hunting is killing needlessly?

Why do you think you "blew apart a rabbit"? possibly because you didn't know how to hunt?

Mmm, it was on a family trip, and my uncle just handed me a rifle and told me to shoot at one of the many rabbits that were running around. I was like 11. Take it easy bro, no one's pissing in your corn flakes here.

I love hunting, I've hunted creatures great and small. I prefer things with wings. They taste better and they pose more of a challenge than the hoof-ed things.
I haven't been since I started college. I'm thinking about popping yotes.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?

I'd ask where your from if so.

If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.

The deer herds in Maine exploded when farming came into the area. It wasn't unusual to see Moose on the farm I grew up on, either, with them coming right out into the middle of people in the fields and just standing and staring around.
Just out of curiousity, where do you live since it seems like you're in a pretty good place for hunting.

And not to feed into these anti-hunting thought-lines but I have ALWAYS wanted to hunt moose. My uncle is a professor for UNH but he's a (deleted) and I love my cousin but lets just say he's the definition of (deleted). It always make make me sad thinking about how the forest used to be. I would love to be able to hunt a moose but sadly we've relegated to them to being almost extinct.

You practicaly trip over the buggers where my family is at in Maine. Lots of swamps and whatnot for them to live in up there. What's really fun is to be canoeing a river up there and come around a bend smack into one.

It is a shame moose are so rare nowdays.

The fortunate thing is we have figured out how to save wildlife and properly manage them so Moose won't be going extinct, but it will probably be a very long time before we can hunt them like other Deer in the lower 48.

Hey, at least Bison have come back to the point where we can farm them for meat

Relapse wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?

I'd ask where your from if so.

If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.

The deer herds in Maine exploded when farming came into the area. It wasn't unusual to see Moose on the farm I grew up on, either, with them coming right out into the middle of people in the fields and just standing and staring around.
Just out of curiousity, where do you live since it seems like you're in a pretty good place for hunting.

I'm originally from Western New York, now I live in Albany. Gateway to both the Adirondacks and the Catskills. And yes I grew up in great area to hunt. If you were a hunter.

I grew up in Northern Maine, by the Canadian border (New Brunswick), a nd it's another great area for hunting and fishing. I know the area you're talking about and it's pretty gorgeous there. I've descibed it to some people out here and they find it har d to believe since they envision New York and Pennsylvania as just a big collection of cities.

You know what I love about America? This. We probably disagree about every social issue we can think of. But what we can agree about? This. This is the best damn land in the world. Honestly. I know my viewpoints are completely different than yours. And you know yours are different than mine. But no matter what we can have a normal conversation, we have dissimilar values, and you no matter. We believe in America. This honestly does my spirit good.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?

I'd ask where your from if so.

If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.

The deer herds in Maine exploded when farming came into the area. It wasn't unusual to see Moose on the farm I grew up on, either, with them coming right out into the middle of people in the fields and just standing and staring around.
Just out of curiousity, where do you live since it seems like you're in a pretty good place for hunting.

And not to feed into these anti-hunting thought-lines but I have ALWAYS wanted to hunt moose. My uncle is a professor for UNH but he's a (deleted) and I love my cousin but lets just say he's the definition of (deleted). It always make make me sad thinking about how the forest used to be. I would love to be able to hunt a moose but sadly we've relegated to them to being almost extinct.

I can see if anyone I know is going on a hunt and maybe get you in on it next time they're out if you're interested.

I do not hunt. I couldn't bring myself to kill a deer, or any other animal, unless it was trying to do the same to me. I've been vegetarian for a while now, and even before I was, I bought my meat from local farmers who ensured the animal was treated well. I've even seen a few of the chickens that I later ate slaughtered in front of me, as well as having worked on a family member's farm and interacted with animals who were later slaughtered. I have no beef with those who choose to hunt, or eat meat; it's just not for me. Trophy hunting, however, really gets my goat. That I do have a problem with.

 rubiksnoob wrote:
I do not hunt. I couldn't bring myself to kill a deer, or any other animal, unless it was trying to do the same to me. I've been vegetarian for a while now, and even before I was, I bought my meat from local farmers who ensured the animal was treated well. I've even seen a few of the chickens that I later ate slaughtered in front of me, as well as having worked on a family member's farm and interacted with animals who were later slaughtered. I have no beef with those who choose to hunt, or eat meat; it's just not for me. Trophy hunting, however, really gets my goat. That I do have a problem with.

And your opinion I respect with more than I can express in Dakka. Very eloquently put in a very cognizant way. But you're not who I was trying to make think. I respect the vegetarian lifestyle. My mom was since my age 13, and she still is. Im not. I just think people that eat meat should AT LEAST once in while look at their meat in the face. We in the western culture eat WAY to much meat. And we should except that. And that means watching an animal die. Any other viewpoint is disingenuous. We eat animals. If you eat animals you should be able to deal with them dying.

A moose bit my sister once...

 AustonT wrote:


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Feth you Dutch! I've been in the drawing for a moose tag for 16 years and you moan about it once on Dakka...
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Hey this is why I was saying it's honor to get to hunt one!

 rubiksnoob wrote:
I do not hunt. I couldn't bring myself to kill a deer, or any other animal, unless it was trying to do the same to me. I've been vegetarian for a while now, and even before I was, I bought my meat from local farmers who ensured the animal was treated well. I've even seen a few of the chickens that I later ate slaughtered in front of me, as well as having worked on a family member's farm and interacted with animals who were later slaughtered. I have no beef with those who choose to hunt, or eat meat; it's just not for me. Trophy hunting, however, really gets my goat. That I do have a problem with.

"I'm a vegetarian", "I have no beef". I saw what you did there

I try to be a cognizant meat-eater. Find stuff that is raised local and humanely just tastes better as well.

 AustonT wrote:
I love hunting, I've hunted creatures great and small. I prefer things with wings. They taste better and they pose more of a challenge than the hoof-ed things.
I haven't been since I started college. I'm thinking about popping yotes.

Do it, especially if you start calling, it can be quite challenging. I like .243 but hell, any round in that range will do you fine, if you're a dead eye you can probably do one of those souped up .22lrs and be fine

In other news, I like light anti-tank rifles for tank... err moose hunting. Those things are fecking dangerous.

Boar hunting is fun, just make sure you are next to a tree. If you don't kill it you are just making it mad, so start climbing when they charge you.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 AustonT wrote:
I love hunting, I've hunted creatures great and small. I prefer things with wings. They taste better and they pose more of a challenge than the hoof-ed things.
I haven't been since I started college. I'm thinking about popping yotes.

Do it, especially if you start calling, it can be quite challenging. I like .243 but hell, any round in that range will do you fine, if you're a dead eye you can probably do one of those souped up .22lrs and be fine

In other news, I like light anti-tank rifles for tank... err moose hunting. Those things are fecking dangerous.

You shoot turkeys with a .243? Not even mad just jealous. Granted its only 2 shots but I missed both Fall turkey hunting. And that was Full Choke!. Those fethers are resilient. Im not even convinced after a magnum load to the face. Their too tricky.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I don't feel the need to hunt simply because I don't need the meat for my table, which I see as the only reason to do so. If I want to do something 'for sport', it'll involve a ball, or being part of a team.

If the time ever comes that I need to drop a deer or some rabbits to feed my family, then things will be very different, and I won't hesitate. I won't see any honor in it though, because I don't see any glory to be had in proving myself smarter than a friggin' deer. For me, it would be a task, just like cutting firewood to burn.

And if it wasn't for laws(or in a time where the laws didn't matter), if i was simply in need of the meat, I would sure as hell bait that deer in, and then pop it from a tree blind with a single .22 to the forehead.

Dont take this the wrong way but I can tell from your post you've never hunted let alone deer.

Its not just about putting meat on your plate. Its about bringing the natural order of things back to where they used to be. Its about realizing that when you eat meat an animal died. If its beef chicken veal or pork they died in a much more horrible way then a deer in the forest.

Do you feel honor bringing home ground beef from the supermarket?

Its this type of sentiment that scares me. We'll eat meat till were fat when its shipped in from TX, but to kill your own? Oh thats barbaric.

And Im not trying to single you out Aegis. Im really trying to see another American on this board give me a legitimate reason if they're not vegetarian (which I respect fully) why they have something against hunting. You eat meat? You should see where it comes from.

I just gave you a fully realized reason, and you are effectively calling me a tree-hugging derp. I plainly said that I think that hunting "purely" for sport is gak. Hunting for food is not, it's just a natural process. If I'm gonna hunt anything, it's not for the rush of "reestablishing my place as an apex predator"- it's simply because eating is better than starving. I will be truly sorry for anything I have to kill because they deserved to live as much as me, but I refuse to be proud that I tricked a buck into my sights with corn, doe scent, advanced weapon technology, and a tree stand.

Hunting isn't barbaric, but lets not glorify what killing something else makes a person. A person hunting a deer is not serving any other purpose than a wolf taking out a rabbit. It's supposed to be just to fill your belly.

You wanna be an apex predator with real skill? Get a spear and head to the southern US and go for boar.

Relapse wrote:

 rubiksnoob wrote:
I do not hunt. I couldn't bring myself to kill a deer, or any other animal, unless it was trying to do the same to me. I've been vegetarian for a while now, and even before I was, I bought my meat from local farmers who ensured the animal was treated well. I've even seen a few of the chickens that I later ate slaughtered in front of me, as well as having worked on a family member's farm and interacted with animals who were later slaughtered. I have no beef with those who choose to hunt, or eat meat; it's just not for me. Trophy hunting, however, really gets my goat. That I do have a problem with.

"I'm a vegetarian", "I have no beef". I saw what you did there

Yes, I'd say it was wrong to kill it for no reason, in retrospect, even if it was just a little wabbit.

People who kill for meat are just fitting into their natural niche as Top Predator, and I think that's fine. There's all kinds of uses for deer, or boar, and other things like that besides the meat too.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I don't feel the need to hunt simply because I don't need the meat for my table, which I see as the only reason to do so. If I want to do something 'for sport', it'll involve a ball, or being part of a team.

If the time ever comes that I need to drop a deer or some rabbits to feed my family, then things will be very different, and I won't hesitate. I won't see any honor in it though, because I don't see any glory to be had in proving myself smarter than a friggin' deer. For me, it would be a task, just like cutting firewood to burn.

And if it wasn't for laws(or in a time where the laws didn't matter), if i was simply in need of the meat, I would sure as hell bait that deer in, and then pop it from a tree blind with a single .22 to the forehead.

Dont take this the wrong way but I can tell from your post you've never hunted let alone deer.

Its not just about putting meat on your plate. Its about bringing the natural order of things back to where they used to be. Its about realizing that when you eat meat an animal died. If its beef chicken veal or pork they died in a much more horrible way then a deer in the forest.

Do you feel honor bringing home ground beef from the supermarket?

Its this type of sentiment that scares me. We'll eat meat till were fat when its shipped in from TX, but to kill your own? Oh thats barbaric.

And Im not trying to single you out Aegis. Im really trying to see another American on this board give me a legitimate reason if they're not vegetarian (which I respect fully) why they have something against hunting. You eat meat? You should see where it comes from.

I just gave you a fully realized reason, and you are effectively calling me a tree-hugging derp. I plainly said that I think that hunting "purely" for sport is gak. Hunting for food is not, it's just a natural process. If I'm gonna hunt anything, it's not for the rush of "reestablishing my place as an apex predator"- it's simply because eating is better than starving. I will be truly sorry for anything I have to kill because they deserved to live as much as me, but I refuse to be proud that I tricked a buck into my sights with corn, doe scent, advanced weapon technology, and a tree stand.

Hunting isn't barbaric, but lets not glorify what killing something else makes a person. A person hunting a deer is not serving any other purpose than a wolf taking out a rabbit. It's supposed to be just to fill your belly.

You wanna be an apex predator with real skill? Get a spear and head to the southern US and go for boar.

And I'll ask you again as I don't think I was singling you out. But do you eat meat? Is all the meat you eat from local sources? I'll answer for you. It's not. If you would have read my posts I said multiple times that hunting an animal purely for its trophy is something I don't believe in.

But go ahead with with your faux victim mentality. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see that I did that there. I was only trying to get the average meat eater to think about where their meat comes from. I am a tree hugging derp. I've worked on the PCT, the AT, and the new trail were trying to get through Maine. But your right Im not vegetarian.

Also like 8 posts up I said how I want to take on a hog with nothing besides a knife. But go ahead. Tell me how I'm wrong.

But I'm gonna ask you what Volunteering for trails that you've done.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

And hotsauceman thats my whole point. And this is just my opinion but when you actually have to take the animal your gonna eat it really does alter your view. In a good way. Animals are animals not commodities. Thats why I think more people should hunt. Its part of the reason I have such a problem with PETA.

But I'll throw up an example I know well. White-Tail Deer in the NorthEast. They are in record numbers that could never have survived in the natural world. WE have artificially increased their numbers to point where a large number either get shot by hunters or starve to death. You tell me what you think is more humane.

I'm not questioning the humanity(I'm not sure I'm using the correct phrase here), I'm just saying I do not like it. When monks would do the slaughtering of farm animals they would have to change it periodically because it is considered such demoralizing work. You should Read "Omnivores Dillemma" by Micheal Pollan. He gives some great insight into people who have never hunted before who are thrust into hunting and when he works in a slaughter house, he basically says that even if you rationalize the slaughter of an animal, the point is the animal is dead.
But it may be that my view of hunting has been soured, Most hunters i knew growing up where my bullies in boy scouts. And many times it was for no other reason for killing an animal. I remember one boy complaining that his uncle made him eat a squarill he killed because his uncle believed in eating everything you kill(except rats), and he didn't like that because he just just wanted to kill the animal.

And I'll ask you again as I don't think I was singling you out. But do you eat meat? Is all the meat you eat from local sources? I'll answer for you. It's not. If you would have read my posts I said multiple times that hunting an animal purely for its trophy is something I don't believe in.

But go ahead with with your faux victim mentality. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see that I did that there. I was only trying to get the average meat eater to think about where their meat comes from. I am a tree hugging derp. I've worked on the PCT, the AT, and the new trail were trying to get through Maine. But your right Im not vegetarian.

Also like 8 posts up I said how I want to take on a hog with nothing besides a knife. But go ahead. Tell me how I'm wrong.

But I'm gonna ask you what Volunteering for trails that you've done.

I would wonder why you don't think that solely quoting me and then mentioning me by name isn't singling me out.

If you agree with me, then why the heck did you post directly at me then? Make it a general post about you thoughts.

Trust me, I'm farmer. I know the exact process a cow takes through the slaughter house, and yes, I eat animals right off my own farm. Sheep made into sausage is damn good.

If i had a way to better process the meat myself, I would much rather drop each animal with a quick shot to the head rather than what they go through at a slaughter house. It's much more humane that way, and makes me responsible for a death that I am directly benefiting from.

There are some animals where just killing it for the sake of killing isn't wasteful, such as exploding Deer and Hog populations. Their numbers are reaching a problematic size to where its an ecological disaster.

That said, you should donate any meat to charity if you don't want to eat it.

Hunting is an excellent recreational sport. it takes great skill to track down and stalk an animal. If you don't want to eat the meat you can give it to a local homeless shelter or something. So everyone's happy

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

And hotsauceman thats my whole point. And this is just my opinion but when you actually have to take the animal your gonna eat it really does alter your view. In a good way. Animals are animals not commodities. Thats why I think more people should hunt. Its part of the reason I have such a problem with PETA.

But I'll throw up an example I know well. White-Tail Deer in the NorthEast. They are in record numbers that could never have survived in the natural world. WE have artificially increased their numbers to point where a large number either get shot by hunters or starve to death. You tell me what you think is more humane.

I'm not questioning the humanity(I'm not sure I'm using the correct phrase here), I'm just saying I do not like it. When monks would do the slaughtering of farm animals they would have to change it periodically because it is considered such demoralizing work. You should Read "Omnivores Dillemma" by Micheal Pollan. He gives some great insight into people who have never hunted before who are thrust into hunting and when he works in a slaughter house, he basically says that even if you rationalize the slaughter of an animal, the point is the animal is dead.
But it may be that my view of hunting has been soured, Most hunters i knew growing up where my bullies in boy scouts. And many times it was for no other reason for killing an animal. I remember one boy complaining that his uncle made him eat a squarill he killed because his uncle believed in eating everything you kill(except rats), and he didn't like that because he just just wanted to kill the animal.

No offense Hotsauceman1 but Im waiting for you to explain why its better for you to eat processed meat killed by someone else? And Im being honest you've had the same views for me on a lot of stuff for a long time I agree with you.
But please explain to me how pumping a chicken full of hormones while its stuck in a cage or chaining a baby cow so it cant move is better?


Or less offensively.

Ground Beef. I've said throught this whole online argument that I can respect an fully understand a vegetarian's viewpoint on this. To them its abhorrent. And rightly so. But so far there hasn't been any vegetarians arguing.

Just people saying its wrong to kill an animal. Right after they post on threads about how Chick Fil A is tasty. Or literallt anything on Cannerus' thread about junk food.

(I hope you've all noticed that he hasn't said a word)

So please again. Tell me how taking a deer from the forest is somehow worse than taking hormone stuffed chicken or cow living in a pen?