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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/03 03:38:06
Subject: Re:Obama's response time
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/03 03:40:30
Subject: Re:Obama's response time
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/03 03:42:48
Subject: Re:Obama's response time
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OKay... now I'm confused...
Lots of folks blamed the guv's response to the Katrina disaster on Bush...
May have misread your response... much apology.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/03 04:45:30
Subject: Re:Obama's response time
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whembly wrote: OKay... now I'm confused... Lots of folks blamed the guv's response to the Katrina disaster on Bush... May have misread your response... much apology. I certainly wouldn't hold Bushes actions during the Katrina debarcle against him too much - Politicians don't actually need to be on site during a disaster, though his appearances at various other events (Mccains birthday, ect) while the disaster was still unfolding were somewhat impolitic. And Katrina was really a fark up at all possible levels, not just with FEMA, but at state and local levels too, and the disaster had been years in the making. However, Bush did appoint Micheal Brown as head of FEMA, even though his past experience was as a lawyer and Horse association manager - it was a crony appointment, and it showed. If you ever read the emails back and forth to his office during Katrina, you can read how much of a farkup he was - he didn't care about the management or logistics of the operation, he only cared about how he looked. It was pretty damn disgraceful. His appointment and subsequent farkups are something that can definitely be held against Bush.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/03 13:39:46
Subject: Obama's response time
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SickSix wrote:First of all, anyone who uses the red cross as the barometer is severely misinformed. The Red Cross is a perfect example of bloated bureaucracy and government corruption. They are a FOR PROFIT money grubbing corporation.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of good people that volunteer and do good work, but you start looking above their ground level workers and it gets disgusting real fast.
*nods* Red cross is terrible. If you want to donate to something that helps, salvation army works better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/03 17:05:57
Subject: Obama's response time
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SickSix wrote:First of all, anyone who uses the red cross as the barometer is severely misinformed. The Red Cross is a perfect example of bloated bureaucracy and government corruption. They are a FOR PROFIT money grubbing corporation.
Hey, still waiting for your citation that the Red Cross is a for-profit corporation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/03 17:27:27
Subject: Re:Obama's response time
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Mission Statement
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The American Red Cross prevents and alleviates human suffering in the face of emergencies by mobilizing the power of volunteers and the generosity of donors.
Vision Statement
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The American Red Cross, through its strong network of volunteers, donors and partners, is always there in times of need. We aspire to turn compassion into action so that...
...all people affected by disaster across the country and around the world receive care, shelter and hope;
...our communities are ready and prepared for disasters;
...everyone in our country has access to safe, lifesaving blood and blood products;
...all members of our armed services and their families find support and comfort whenever needed; and
...in an emergency, there are always trained individuals nearby, ready to use their Red Cross skills to save lives.
Fundamental Principles of the Global Red Cross Network
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Humanity
The International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement, born of a desire to bring assistance without discrimination to the wounded on the battlefield endeavours, in its international and national capacity, to prevent and alleviate human suffering wherever it may be found. Its purpose is to protect life and health and to ensure respect for the human being. It promotes mutual understanding, friendship, cooperation and lasting peace among all peoples.
Impartiality
It makes no discrimination as to nationality, race, religious beliefs, class or political opinions. It endeavours to relieve the suffering of individuals, being guided solely by their needs, and to give priority to the most urgent cases of distress.
Neutrality
In order to continue to enjoy the confidence of all, the Movement may not take sides in hostilities or engage at any time in controversies of a political, racial, religious or ideological nature.
Independence
The Movement is independent. The National Societies, while auxiliaries in the humanitarian services of their governments and subject to the laws of their respective countries, must always maintain their autonomy so that they may be able at all times to act in accordance with the principles of the Movement.
Voluntary Service
It is a voluntary relief movement not prompted in any manner by desire for gain.
Unity
There can be only one Red Cross or one Red Crescent Society in any one country. It must be open to all. It must carry on its humanitarian work throughout its territory.
Universality
The International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement, in which all Societies have equal status and share equal responsibilities and duties in helping each other, is worldwide
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/03 18:04:03
Subject: Obama's response time
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Ouze wrote: SickSix wrote:First of all, anyone who uses the red cross as the barometer is severely misinformed. The Red Cross is a perfect example of bloated bureaucracy and government corruption. They are a FOR PROFIT money grubbing corporation.
Hey, still waiting for your citation that the Red Cross is a for-profit corporation.
He won't find one, because they are not a for-profit company.
However, the Red Cross does have a history of often only sending along the percentage of each dollar donated such that they meet the absolute minimum levels required in order to be considered a charity for taxation purposes, and passing along the rest to the salaries and bonuses of their upper-management. I don't have a citation for this right now, but if you think it's so offensive and unbelievable then I'll dig one up later; this bit isn't exactly secret.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/03 18:58:31
Subject: Obama's response time
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Relapse wrote:Just a quick question here. How does Obama's response time to this disaster, ie. Getting to the scene in person compare to things like the gulf oil spill and other similar disaters that happened when the election was far far away?
Have people forgotten what happened with Bush Jr/New Orleans already? I have to say as an outsider the US administration really showed its true colours with how it handled that one. You've got that at one end of the scale, Japan and how they handled the Tsunami at the other.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/03 19:09:04
Subject: Obama's response time
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My favorite part of this hurricane business is that one is named after my mom, the other after my step-sister. One is crazy, the other is a total bitch that I wish my dad requested she not be included in his re-marriage. When we get a hurricane Michele (stepmom) then the pain in the ass women in my life will have officially wreaked havoc on the rest of the US instead of just me.
I guess I should say something about Obama...rock on Mr. President-you have my vote again this year if I can get to the polls in time, driving up from Florida to NY in 2 days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/03 19:18:43
Subject: Obama's response time
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azazel the cat wrote:
However, the Red Cross does have a history of often only sending along the percentage of each dollar donated such that they meet the absolute minimum levels required in order to be considered a charity for taxation purposes, and passing along the rest to the salaries and bonuses of their upper-management. I don't have a citation for this right now, but if you think it's so offensive and unbelievable then I'll dig one up later; this bit isn't exactly secret.
Isn't that the case with most large-scale charity organisations? As soon as something becomes big enough to need "higher" management, the moneygrubbing by said higher management begins...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 01:38:12
Subject: Obama's response time
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azazel the cat wrote:Ouze wrote: SickSix wrote:First of all, anyone who uses the red cross as the barometer is severely misinformed. The Red Cross is a perfect example of bloated bureaucracy and government corruption. They are a FOR PROFIT money grubbing corporation.
Hey, still waiting for your citation that the Red Cross is a for-profit corporation.
He won't find one, because they are not a for-profit company.
However, the Red Cross does have a history of often only sending along the percentage of each dollar donated such that they meet the absolute minimum levels required in order to be considered a charity for taxation purposes, and passing along the rest to the salaries and bonuses of their upper-management. I don't have a citation for this right now, but if you think it's so offensive and unbelievable then I'll dig one up later; this bit isn't exactly secret.
Well, at least we're making progress from just making stuff up to getting more in the direction of reality, anyway.
The American Red Cross is a 501(c)(3) charity. As such, they must pay out 5% of net assets in program costs per year; this is the "absolute minimum required in order to be a charity for taxation purposes", and you see this exact figure in many crappy charities. The American Red Cross pays out 92% in program costs. The 20 highest administrative cost charities I could find pay out a minimum of 42% in administrative costs and it scales up to 68%, while the American Red Cross has administrative costs of 4%. While this is not as good as the most efficient charities, they are still well above average in all major metrics.
In short, Sick Six is a liar, and you are wrong. But if you have a citation backing up your claims - that they take in 3.4 billion dollars a year, and pay out 3.2 billion in "salaries and bonuses of upper management", I'd love to see it. I'm quick to admit I'm wrong, when I am.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 03:35:42
Subject: Obama's response time
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Ouze wrote:
Well, at least we're making progress from just making stuff up to getting more in the direction of reality, anyway.
The American Red Cross is a 501(c)(3) charity. As such, they must pay out 5% of net assets in program costs per year; this is the "absolute minimum required in order to be a charity for taxation purposes", and you see this exact figure in many crappy charities. The American Red Cross pays out 92% in program costs. The 20 highest administrative cost charities I could find pay out a minimum of 42% in administrative costs and it scales up to 68%, while the American Red Cross has administrative costs of 4%. While this is not as good as the most efficient charities, they are still well above average in all major metrics.
In short, Sick Six is a liar, and you are wrong. But if you have a citation backing up your claims - that they take in 3.4 billion dollars a year, and pay out 3.2 billion in "salaries and bonuses of upper management", I'd love to see it. I'm quick to admit I'm wrong, when I am.
Bravo.
Anyway on point... It's a simple fact that the American people, and people worldwide, expect the 'rolled up sleeves walking through the mud' moment. It may not be rationale, it may even be counter productive, but there you go. It's a like a general being at the head of an army rather than a bunker in the rear.
And of course a talented leader should be able to do do both the theater and the management side.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 04:16:46
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Ouze wrote: azazel the cat wrote:Ouze wrote: SickSix wrote:First of all, anyone who uses the red cross as the barometer is severely misinformed. The Red Cross is a perfect example of bloated bureaucracy and government corruption. They are a FOR PROFIT money grubbing corporation.
Hey, still waiting for your citation that the Red Cross is a for-profit corporation.
He won't find one, because they are not a for-profit company.
However, the Red Cross does have a history of often only sending along the percentage of each dollar donated such that they meet the absolute minimum levels required in order to be considered a charity for taxation purposes, and passing along the rest to the salaries and bonuses of their upper-management. I don't have a citation for this right now, but if you think it's so offensive and unbelievable then I'll dig one up later; this bit isn't exactly secret.
Well, at least we're making progress from just making stuff up to getting more in the direction of reality, anyway.
The American Red Cross is a 501(c)(3) charity. As such, they must pay out 5% of net assets in program costs per year; this is the "absolute minimum required in order to be a charity for taxation purposes", and you see this exact figure in many crappy charities. The American Red Cross pays out 92% in program costs. The 20 highest administrative cost charities I could find pay out a minimum of 42% in administrative costs and it scales up to 68%, while the American Red Cross has administrative costs of 4%. While this is not as good as the most efficient charities, they are still well above average in all major metrics.
In short, Sick Six is a liar, and you are wrong. But if you have a citation backing up your claims - that they take in 3.4 billion dollars a year, and pay out 3.2 billion in "salaries and bonuses of upper management", I'd love to see it. I'm quick to admit I'm wrong, when I am.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 05:11:16
Subject: Obama's response time
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Pacific wrote:Relapse wrote:Just a quick question here. How does Obama's response time to this disaster, ie. Getting to the scene in person compare to things like the gulf oil spill and other similar disaters that happened when the election was far far away?
Have people forgotten what happened with Bush Jr/New Orleans already? I have to say as an outsider the US administration really showed its true colours with how it handled that one. You've got that at one end of the scale, Japan and how they handled the Tsunami at the other.
It is not the president's job to deal with a natural disaster, certaintly not right away.
It is first and formost the local government's responsability. They then can request aid from the Federal government. Which still has zip to do with the president.
Katrina was caused by poor maintainance on levees by the state, and further complicated by communication failures between FEMA and state agencies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 05:47:15
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Grey Templar wrote: Pacific wrote:Relapse wrote:Just a quick question here. How does Obama's response time to this disaster, ie. Getting to the scene in person compare to things like the gulf oil spill and other similar disaters that happened when the election was far far away?
Have people forgotten what happened with Bush Jr/New Orleans already? I have to say as an outsider the US administration really showed its true colours with how it handled that one. You've got that at one end of the scale, Japan and how they handled the Tsunami at the other.
It is not the president's job to deal with a natural disaster, certaintly not right away.
It is first and formost the local government's responsability. They then can request aid from the Federal government. Which still has zip to do with the president.
Katrina was caused by poor maintainance on levees by the state, and further complicated by communication failures between FEMA and state agencies.
Yes, and many of those failures to do with FEMA were because a useless sycophant had been appointed as Head of FEMA by Bush. Plus, once the failures all around became obvious to all, Bush apparently did nothing besides stick up for his installed crony - it's kind of why his ""heck of a job, Brownie" comment is so well known, and so reviled.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 0018/11/17 06:06:07
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Well, I formally apologize to you, Ouze. It seems you have taught me two things today:
1) the American Red Cross appears to be a pretty good organization, and
2) American charity disbursement quotas are disgustingly low. Seriously, 5%? What the Hell?
In Canada, the minimum is 80% of the previous year's donation intake which cannot be spent on administrative labour, and thus the 80% mark is where they operate. But that does force me to ask one legitimate question: does that 92% disbursement quota you cited include indirect payments (such as administrative salaries, ie. CEO, management fees, etc)? Or is it like the Canadian requirement of only direct service and donations?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 1112/12/16 03:52:30
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Ouze wrote: azazel the cat wrote:Ouze wrote: SickSix wrote:First of all, anyone who uses the red cross as the barometer is severely misinformed. The Red Cross is a perfect example of bloated bureaucracy and government corruption. They are a FOR PROFIT money grubbing corporation.
Hey, still waiting for your citation that the Red Cross is a for-profit corporation.
He won't find one, because they are not a for-profit company.
However, the Red Cross does have a history of often only sending along the percentage of each dollar donated such that they meet the absolute minimum levels required in order to be considered a charity for taxation purposes, and passing along the rest to the salaries and bonuses of their upper-management. I don't have a citation for this right now, but if you think it's so offensive and unbelievable then I'll dig one up later; this bit isn't exactly secret.
Well, at least we're making progress from just making stuff up to getting more in the direction of reality, anyway.
The American Red Cross is a 501(c)(3) charity. As such, they must pay out 5% of net assets in program costs per year; this is the "absolute minimum required in order to be a charity for taxation purposes", and you see this exact figure in many crappy charities. The American Red Cross pays out 92% in program costs. The 20 highest administrative cost charities I could find pay out a minimum of 42% in administrative costs and it scales up to 68%, while the American Red Cross has administrative costs of 4%. While this is not as good as the most efficient charities, they are still well above average in all major metrics.
In short, Sick Six is a liar, and you are wrong. But if you have a citation backing up your claims - that they take in 3.4 billion dollars a year, and pay out 3.2 billion in "salaries and bonuses of upper management", I'd love to see it. I'm quick to admit I'm wrong, when I am.
Exalted for rolling a natural twenty on your awesome check with this post and for defending the Red Cross, American or otherwise. I've done some volunteer work for and with them and have always found them to be an impeccable group of individuals with genuine motivations to do good in the world... unlike certain cancer charities I could mention.
And an exalt to Azazel for admitting he's wrong. Nice to see Dakka behaving in a civilized manner for two posts at least.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 08:45:56
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Hear hear. Well done Azazel.
Back on topic, though, I suspect that Obama could not win the Sandy situation whether he went to the scene or ignored it.
His political opponents would probably have decried either behaviour as unsuitable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 08:53:11
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To Azazel, yeah, 5% is absolutely nuts. I don't see how that can be, but eh. Much respect for admitting you were wrong, also. They're not perfect at all - they are sometimes slow, and when they solicit money in the wake of a tragedy, it doesn't go explicitly towards supporting that disaster - something they should make more clear - but the numbers that were posted were way off and they're still a solid organization. I only donate locally, but were I to do so nationally, I think Doctors without Borders might be a better pick.
So far as how administrative fees (CEO salaries) are accounted for, they have an incredibly detailed breakdown here ( pg 8 of the PDF).
(EDIT: and sorry to go offtopic, I started this post before KK posted that warning, it took me a while to read through that PDF)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 19:10:39
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Thanks for the PDF. Now, back to topic:
Kilkrazy wrote:I suspect that Obama could not win the Sandy situation whether he went to the scene or ignored it.
His political opponents would probably have decried either behaviour as unsuitable.
While the latter statement is irrefutably correct, I disagree on the former. I think that the hurricane hit too close to the election for any real results and hindsight analysis to affect the outcome of the election, meaning it is all about the reactionary propaganda battle. And I think Christie has helped Obama to triumph in that respect. In addition to that amazing clip of Christie on Fox and Friends, I believe this photo pushes Obama into the positive in the battle for hearts & minds.
Of course, the cynic in my might say that Christie has been praising Obama as part of a handshake deal, and in return he receives immediate federal aid money, and personally gains the long-term image of someone who will gladly put political party lines aside and work across the aisle during times of crisis and need (I bellieve bipartisanship will be issue #1 in the 2016 election, of which Christie will secure the GOP nomination).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 19:37:07
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azazel the cat wrote:
Of course, the cynic in my might say that Christie has been praising Obama as part of a handshake deal, and in return he receives immediate federal aid money, and personally gains the long-term image of someone who will gladly put political party lines aside and work across the aisle during times of crisis and need (I bellieve bipartisanship will be issue #1 in the 2016 election, of which Christie will secure the GOP nomination).
I like Christie's personality a lot, although I don't know much about his values either way I think he said he's not interested in being president at the moment but that could change in 4 years.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 19:45:24
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Its really going to go downhill if that North Easterner hits in under a week.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 23:06:31
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azazel the cat wrote:Thanks for the PDF. Now, back to topic:
Kilkrazy wrote:I suspect that Obama could not win the Sandy situation whether he went to the scene or ignored it.
His political opponents would probably have decried either behaviour as unsuitable.
While the latter statement is irrefutably correct, I disagree on the former. I think that the hurricane hit too close to the election for any real results and hindsight analysis to affect the outcome of the election, meaning it is all about the reactionary propaganda battle. And I think Christie has helped Obama to triumph in that respect. In addition to that amazing clip of Christie on Fox and Friends, I believe this photo pushes Obama into the positive in the battle for hearts & minds.
Of course, the cynic in my might say that Christie has been praising Obama as part of a handshake deal, and in return he receives immediate federal aid money, and personally gains the long-term image of someone who will gladly put political party lines aside and work across the aisle during times of crisis and need (I bellieve bipartisanship will be issue #1 in the 2016 election, of which Christie will secure the GOP nomination).
That picture looks like Barry is benevolently protecting a battered wife from her abusive husband: Chris Christie. Am I the only one that see that?
Bravo on the Red Cross bit Azazel.
And also. They ration healthcare in Canada.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 23:18:24
Subject: Obama's response time
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AustonT wrote:That picture looks like Barry is benevolently protecting a battered wife from her abusive husband: Chris Christie. Am I the only one that see that?
Bravo on the Red Cross bit Azazel.
And also. They ration healthcare in Canada.
Ya now that you mention it, I can't unsee the image in that way also doesn't every nation ration healthcare? I mean it's not like healthcare has infinite resources.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 23:19:52
Subject: Re:Obama's response time
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 23:22:09
Subject: Obama's response time
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Nice friendly banter, but.
Back on topic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 00:16:00
Subject: Obama's response time
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Isn't this the "off" topic thread? Doesn't that mean we should go off-topic once in a while? Shame on you, Malfred, for breaking the rules.
To break the rules as he asks though, I'm glad Obama responded quickly to H.S. I have half my family in NYC, LI, and NJ, plus my job and coworkers live there. Obama preparing quickly is okay in my book. Idiots like Brownie saying he moved too quickly don't deserve the oxygen that they waste.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 00:24:11
Subject: Obama's response time
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Just don't want the thread to turn into a US v. Canada thing.
Talking about emergency response comparisons would work...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 02:46:10
Subject: Obama's response time
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SickSix wrote:First of all, anyone who uses the red cross as the barometer is severely misinformed. The Red Cross is a perfect example of bloated bureaucracy and government corruption. They are a FOR PROFIT money grubbing corporation.
I think it's really important to understand what terms like 'for profit' mean before you go basing your opinions around them.
'For profit' means the company in question is seeking to pay dividends to share holders. Claiming the Red Cross is doing this is stupid beyond belief, because there are no shareholders to deliver profit to, and no mechanism to send them any money.
Now, you might claim that the Red Cross is inefficient or bloated, and while you'd still be wrong, it wouldn't be gibberish. Automatically Appended Next Post:
That line has less of a zing to it when we're talking about stuff that happened during Bush's presidency. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ouze wrote:Well, at least we're making progress from just making stuff up to getting more in the direction of reality, anyway.
The American Red Cross is a 501(c)(3) charity. As such, they must pay out 5% of net assets in program costs per year; this is the "absolute minimum required in order to be a charity for taxation purposes", and you see this exact figure in many crappy charities. The American Red Cross pays out 92% in program costs. The 20 highest administrative cost charities I could find pay out a minimum of 42% in administrative costs and it scales up to 68%, while the American Red Cross has administrative costs of 4%. While this is not as good as the most efficient charities, they are still well above average in all major metrics.
In short, Sick Six is a liar, and you are wrong. But if you have a citation backing up your claims - that they take in 3.4 billion dollars a year, and pay out 3.2 billion in "salaries and bonuses of upper management", I'd love to see it. I'm quick to admit I'm wrong, when I am.
Well said.
It's worth noting that negative coverage of the Red Cross began when the company received vast sums of money in 9/11 funds and took a long time to distribute them. People mistakenly assumed the Red Cross was being inefficient or bureaucratic, but the reality was those funds came with strong caveats on how they could be spent and how they could be delivered to people. And with so much money available it was actually quite hard to clear all the funds and give them to people who suffered in the 9/11 attacks*.
As with a lot of things, this led to a snowball period since, with more and more negative, and more and more fictional, claims made about the Red Cross.
*This is a major reason why it is better to just give generally to charities, rather than donate for specific purposes, the money gets tied to the event and just to be cleared off the books will often be given to someone who doesn't really need it, rather than being used to aid in a more desperate situation that happens to have a lower media profile.
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