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... won the popular vote.... not elected though....sounds very familiar eh ?
Journalist friends in America say Fox News was well and truly mental as events unfolded, " It's amazing. Part of Fox news has seceded from the rest of Fox News on the Ohio issue. Brother against brother. Blonde against blonde. Fort Sumter will be fired on any second."
...so guess the Daily Show will have plenty of material for a while then.
There's been viral clips of Rove and Co. when they sent Mamzel Kelly to go and interrogate their own number crunchers. Most bizarre. Keeps the ratings up anyway I guess.
Murphy took Conneticut as well..?! Blimey.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
GG for america, you had a long run, but good luck now. Your screwed.
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Seaward wrote: I'd like to say I hope this leads to the Republicans doing a bit of smart reorganizing to face the shifts in demographics and attitudes in the country, but unfortunately I suspect they'll probably still continue to try to win on a, "Social conservative, fiscal whatever!" strategy of appealing to white arch-Christians.
This would be nice. I'd love to see a legitimate second choice instead of a party based on "Jesus hates you" and "science is a lie" and an automatic straight ticket vote for "not the crazy ones". But I suspect you're probably right, and the lesson they'll take from this is "we weren't conservative enough" and we'll just see an attempt to go from 95% to 99% support among the religious right.
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JohnnoM wrote: GG for america, you had a long run, but good luck now. Your screwed.
Yeah, we're doomed with a secret communist muslim who isn't even a US citizen running the country. I suppose now the only question is whether he'll bother waiting until his second term officially begins to declare the US a communist nation, abolish capitalism, confiscate all the guns, and send all the republicans off to mandatory diversity re-education camps. And once god removes his protection from our once-great nation we will be destroyed by earthquakes and hurricanes and gay marriage.
(Or I suppose we could look at things with a bit of sanity and realize that even if you don't like Obama he's a centrist president who loves compromise and isn't going to do anything truly controversial, so life will go on just like usual.)
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Peregrine wrote: This would be nice. I'd love to see a legitimate second choice instead of a party based on "Jesus hates you" and "science is a lie" and an automatic straight ticket vote for "not the crazy ones". But I suspect you're probably right, and the lesson they'll take from this is "we weren't conservative enough" and we'll just see an attempt to go from 95% to 99% support among the religious right.
Well, they weren't conservative enough, in some respects, it's just that they'll continue to pick the exact wrong issues to be conservative about. Continuing to try and fight the "culture wars" - which have been well and truly lost by social conservatives - is only going to lead to the same results.
Seaward wrote: Well, they weren't conservative enough, in some respects, it's just that they'll continue to pick the exact wrong issues to be conservative about. Continuing to try and fight the "culture wars" - which have been well and truly lost by social conservatives - is only going to lead to the same results.
That's what I mean, instead of rational plans for a balanced budget or any other conservative virtue I'm afraid we're just going to see four more years of screaming about abortion and gay marriage and conspiracy theories about how global warming is a liberal plot to destroy America, with maybe a token "we'll magically cut taxes and increase military spending and still balance the budget" bit of wishful thinking.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
BARACK Obama’s victory has brought the tyrannical New World Order a step closer, according to the Illuminati.
Just hours after his re-election, Obama was taken in a black helicopter to Illuminati headquarters where he was greeted with applause and a banner saying ‘Way to go, mind-control puppet!’
An Illuminati spokesman said: “This is a great moment for America, or as it will soon be known, Population Containment Area 2.
“With Obama back in power we can continue our secret project to enslave humanity and put Illuminati symbols in obscure places where they will only be noticed by conspiracy wingnuts.
“We’ll probably force everyone to be tattooed with a barcode too, although that’s less of an issue now that all their personal details are on Facebook.”
Obama has dismissed the Illuminati’s existence as “conspiracy theory nonsense”, saying he wanted to concentrate on real issues such as the economy, healthcare and compulsory microchips for all Americans.
He said: “My proposal to make ownership of tin foil a capital offence has nothing to do with its microwave-blocking properties. I just happen to think clingfilm keeps your sandwiches fresher.”
Democrat voter Carolyn Ryan said: “As a liberal, I’m a bit disappointed that a vote for Obama was a vote for a secret network of concentration camps to exterminate undesirable elements in society.
“Still, anything’s better than Romney. Four more years!”
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
While I voted for Romney (who I simply disliked less), I truly hope that Obama succeeds in his second term. Do I think he will? No, I really don't. The country's political parties are so idiotically divided and more or less radicalized that there is little to no hope of any serious compromises on important and far-reaching issues.
Abolishment of the two party system in favor of, say, 5 or so, would be ideal so that rather than picking between a giant douche and a turd sandwich maybe there can be a bit more variety in the mix.
As a member of the US Military, however, I suspect we'll continue to see budget cuts aimed at ridiculously expensive/unnecessary research programs but instead taking their toll on the servicemen and their families.
While I think that the whole "OMG ROMNEY WOULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF THE WORLD OBAMAAAAAA" is fething ridiculous and not-just-a-wee-bit melodramatic, I don't think that he'll do anything better his second term simply, as I stated, due to the incredible divisiveness of the US political system. Hopefully he and Congress prove me wrong (because anyone that wants your president to fail is a slow...) but... I'm not overly hopeful.
Cynicism... the new American dream (for 50% of the people, at least).
ENOZONE wrote: I agree. There's not really more than two options then Obama and Romney though... even if I voted someone else entirely lol.
Same with Australia. We have a right party- Liberal(not as extreme as republicans) and Labour- which is like the democrats. We do have small parties but they get next to no votes in the lower house. They do have power in the Senate however, but they don't have a real say in who is Prime Minister most of the time. Time to time there may be a hung Parliament like this election but most of the time, there are two options, Tony Abbott or Julia Gillard. .
Yeah, but 3rd parties decided who was our PM at the last election, remember that. Between our method of voting (instant runoff and preferences) and our method of selecting a PM, 3rd parties are FAR more important in Australia than in the US. True, we usually end up with one of the two major parties, but 3rd parties still have more power than in the US.
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Boc wrote: While I voted for Romney (who I simply disliked less), I truly hope that Obama succeeds in his second term. Do I think he will? No, I really don't. The country's political parties are so idiotically divided and more or less radicalized that there is little to no hope of any serious compromises on important and far-reaching issues.
Abolishment of the two party system in favor of, say, 5 or so, would be ideal so that rather than picking between a giant douche and a turd sandwich maybe there can be a bit more variety in the mix.
Ah, but you would have to change your voting system for multiple parties to work, and I really don't think Americans as a whole would be interested in that. Here in Australia we've had Instant Runoff voting for a while, and I heartily approve of it, but over in England, people just wouldn't support it, because they didn't want to change from first-past-the-post. I suspect trialling Instant Runoff in America would be similar, because you guys usually like to go by Tradition, and, with the lack of trust in the political system, would probably hate the idea of Politicians changing the way Voting works.
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RT Rybak, Mayor of Minneapolis, apparently. And apparently that’s his mum ahead of him. Only in America.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Firstly I think Romney made a gracious losing speech and should be congratulated for it.
Secondly there is much less clear water between him and Obama than has been talked about. Foreigners did not need to fear a Romney presidency as much as they seemed to. (Conversely, Obama has hardly been Superfriend to countries like the UK and Japan.)
Romney could only secure the nomination by appealing to the activist party members who are also the most extreme. However they do not represent anything of a mainstream US citizen view.
It was quite noticeable that Romney's general polls were worst when he was in the nomination battle, and improved the more he resiled from the extremist position and towards the centre.
That said, the government does not consist of the President and if Congress won't pass budgets it is difficult to see how Obama can manage the federal financial situation. While Romney has lost, the extremist elements are still there and will certainly not accommodate with the centre.
Even so, I think the economy will turn around in the next four years because of regression to the mean. That should leave things looking pretty good for a Hilary Clinton nomination in 2016.
Kilkrazy wrote: While Romney has lost, the extremist elements are still there and will certainly not accommodate with the centre.
Hopefully the party leadership will realize that their "make Obama a one-term president at all costs" strategy is a dismal failure and tell the extremist elements to STFU and do their job or be removed from the party. Two years of obstructionist tactics have given congress a terrible approval rating, and now they can't even justify it as being part of a strategy to win the next election.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Pundit scorecard, guess some of those will be getting raises and some will be doing some explaining.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Kilkrazy wrote: While Romney has lost, the extremist elements are still there and will certainly not accommodate with the centre.
Hopefully the party leadership will realize that their "make Obama a one-term president at all costs" strategy is a dismal failure and tell the extremist elements to STFU and do their job or be removed from the party. Two years of obstructionist tactics have given congress a terrible approval rating, and now they can't even justify it as being part of a strategy to win the next election.
I wouldn't count on it. They spent eight years harrying President Clinton.
Kilkrazy wrote: While Romney has lost, the extremist elements are still there and will certainly not accommodate with the centre.
Hopefully the party leadership will realize that their "make Obama a one-term president at all costs" strategy is a dismal failure and tell the extremist elements to STFU and do their job or be removed from the party. Two years of obstructionist tactics have given congress a terrible approval rating, and now they can't even justify it as being part of a strategy to win the next election.
I wouldn't count on it. They spent eight years harrying President Clinton.
But Clinton was president during good times where there was no urgent crisis and no compelling need to do more than a bare minimum of governing, so obstructionism wouldn't have much of a penalty in popularity and might even earn some favorable "if it's not broken don't fix it" opinions. That's a pretty big difference from the current situation where the economy sucks, we're facing multiple foreign wars that don't have any sign of ending, oil prices and climate change are a looming threat, etc.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
The only possible saving grace is that maybe the house and senate republicans will decide to work more with Democrats.
After all, they failed the goal they have been pushing for the past 2 years. Maybe they will change their tune and start trying to help instead of hinder.
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Has anything changed? The states have voted more or less the way they did in 2008, and the Republicans still control congress. Obama will still send in the drones on Pakistan, and the fiscal cliff is looming near. Thank you BBC analysis
So, what has changed?
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
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All my friends and allies voted for the Wiener Dog Party. And yet I wake up and Dempublicans rigged the game again. The Great Wiener Dog declared this morning: "Remember this Humans, there can be no peace while cats live."
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Seaward wrote: Well, what a shame. Still, here's wishing him a better second term than the first.
I'd like to say I hope this leads to the Republicans doing a bit of smart reorganizing to face the shifts in demographics and attitudes in the country, but unfortunately I suspect they'll probably still continue to try to win on a, "Social conservative, fiscal whatever!" strategy of appealing to white arch-Christians.
Yep.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
rockerbikie wrote: Thank you America! By voting for the right person, you have saved the world's economy. In Australia, Obama would have at least an 80% Majority.
No, because in Australia, he would be the moderate right wing candidate, and there would be a moderate leftwing candidate running as well who would make it a close race.
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Chongara wrote:Well I was a wrong and I'm hardly broken up about it. This could be a tipping a point and the republicans really only have one card left to play, wonder if they have the balls.
REVOLUTION!
Eiríkr wrote:Good job America. Obama was the right choice for the world.
Exactly 0 American voters consider which canidate is "best for the world."
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Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
I like to imagine that the best part of this is all the Facebook status of people claiming the election was "stolen" and this is the "death of America"....ahhh well Best of luck to el Presidente
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Huffy wrote: I like to imagine that the best part of this is all the Facebook status of people claiming the election was "stolen" and this is the "death of America"....ahhh well Best of luck to el Presidente
Republicans equated a second election victory of Obama to death to the "old" American values that we hold dear.
In reality, Obama only game changer was Obamacare and a handful of social issues; other than that, he has been very moderate and at times right leaning in many of his policies and decisions. It was almost like Bush 2.0 really with a smattering of liberal thrown in.
Let's be honest here, both candidates were pretty lacklustre. Where were the visions or ideas for the future? Nowhere to be seen. Western politics is a mess.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
(I'm rooting for Herman Cain with a midget riding on his shoulders)
I want to see Chris Christie.
See, I'm not sure if Christie's schtick will play well nationally. Christie can be really rude and obnoxious, even to his constituents. Just look around on YouTube for some of his choice moments. That plays in NJ and the northeast, but I'm not sure how it'll go over in other areas of the country where manners matter more. I'm not convinced that he'll get the nomination...especially 4 years out, lol.
We also tend to avoid electing obese candidates at almost every level, when you think about it. I don't know what difference it really makes, but it would appear to be a hurdle of sorts for him.
I mostly agree that Hillary will run in 2016 and be a formidable candidate with Bill in tow. But she didn't blow me away as a campaigner in 2007/2008. I think it's clear now that Bill's personal issues have completely blown over, so she can make full use of him as the devastating political weapon he is.
But as I kept saying with Romney, the candidate has to inspire people to vote for them because of their own qualities...not because they're voting against someone else, and not because they're voting for someone the candidate has in tow. I think that's Hillary's challenge.
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