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GW makes a secret out of what exactly ARE the new rules. Rumour has it that they are only minor modifications.
Fact is that the 5 new faction stat books stay and stay legal.
For fear of being lynched.. Why fix something that isn't broken? The original Lord of the Rings rules are great, just look at Legends of the Old West, which uses the same thing.
BrookM wrote: For fear of being lynched.. Why fix something that isn't broken? The original Lord of the Rings rules are great, just look at Legends of the Old West, which uses the same thing.
beacuse of the money, and it keeps it relevant by having the newer movies as catchy, probably hoping to lure people who don't know much into buying an expensive starter set
Just saying that the new rulebook contains several spoilers of upcoming miniatures.
Hadn't time to look in detail, but I spotted an alternative Radagast and new dwarf warriors.
Darnok from Warseer wrote:
The first people have their rulebooks and starter sets, and it seems like the mini rulebook has no points costs in it at all, and only the profiles for the models in the boxed set. So if you want to play with anything else, or want to play something other than scenarios form the starter, you have to buy the big rulebook. Take the troll scenario as an example: you need the starter, the big rulebook, the trolls - 230€.
For that money I get the rules and something from three to five factions from other popular game systems. And the Hobbit is supposed to be a skirmish game... :wtf:
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Bolognesus wrote: Well, here's to hoping for some updated goblin sculpts, then
I agree that they could do with an update, but they are still available at present, although the Wild Wargs were gone the last time I looked.
I just bought a box of wild wargs from green dragon games literally the week before the Hobbit ones were released, really gutted because I love the look of the fell wargs and can't wait to be able to afford a box (lol), although the wild ones are pretty awesome in themselves.
The Hobbit rulebook lost most unit entries of the old book, just has some new ones (except some bare statlines in the Appendix). So you need the faction books as well to play the game.
ooh thank god
not too keen on changes... change ruined 40k for me, and kicked fantasy in the balls
GW is 2/3 with me...
they have priced me out, lost me with the rules, I have sold so much of my models to buy magic cards... least no one can take my beloved unicorn-pegasus deck from me
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I actually heard that "all hobbits" was a very effective army in LOTR... but this is heresay, I haven't played it myself (and won't, unless another company picked it up- I don't want to have a game for 3 years only...)
I'm tellin' ya - they remember the bursting bubble all to well at GWHQ, so want to make the bubble as big as it can be before it bursts. There's no other explanation for these exorbitant costs.
RiTides wrote: I actually heard that "all hobbits" was a very effective army in LOTR... but this is heresay, I haven't played it myself (and won't, unless another company picked it up- I don't want to have a game for 3 years only...)
when they all have a S1 shooting attack, are about 3pts each and even the non-fellowship hero's are about 10-30pts, that's alot of hobbits
however they only come in packs of 3 metal (have they been finecast yet?) hobbits, so it's very expinsive money-wise
It's something that is funny for one game, after which no-one would want to play you. I've only heard of it being done once, and that was by a staffer who bought all of it for ridiculous discount (back when you could get metal by weight, so you'd be paying about 10p for a hobbit). The opposing force dies to a barrage of stones, regardless of what they might be.
But yeah if you would have to be pretty mental to buy, paint and then use that force
Mr. Troke -- who is really great to chat to if you get the chance BTW -- lets us know a wee bit more.
Possibly of interest to those with existing collections/armies.
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using hobbits was always fun, people loved playing against them, because by the end of the game there would be so many dead hobbits but they'd be dead by just how many I'd throw at them
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I'm painting up my Goblins as we speak, the models are absolutely top notch quality, especially Radagast! Massively impressed with them.
I'm a LOTR fan, I'm a wargamer, £75 isn't that much since you get more models in it than Dark Vengeance, works out as £1 extra per model, if I'm right.
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faeit212 wrote:I get to see product launch briefs when they come out and one thing jumped out at me from the hobbit product brief, I've pasted it below;
"We will continue to support Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 customers by launching new products every month. The Lord of the Rings releases historically replaced Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 sales. This time, any Hobbit releases are on top of our existing Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 plans."
So, to all the people who say "they should concentrate on 40k and not waste any months on LotR" can go to sleep happy as there will be a 40k/WFB launch every month next year and the hobbit will just be extras on top.
faeit212 wrote:I get to see product launch briefs when they come out and one thing jumped out at me from the hobbit product brief, I've pasted it below;
"We will continue to support Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 customers by launching new products every month. The Lord of the Rings releases historically replaced Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 sales. This time, any Hobbit releases are on top of our existing Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 plans."
So, to all the people who say "they should concentrate on 40k and not waste any months on LotR" can go to sleep happy as there will be a 40k/WFB launch every month next year and the hobbit will just be extras on top.
We shall see if the masses are happy with these releases. If the 40k releases for a given month are nothing more than finecast versions of existing models, then I think the natives will not be happy.
GW has long said that they are only able to produce a certain number of new plastic sprues each year. Unless this number has increased, I think that 40k and Fantasy fans will be angry that some of new plastics will be devoted to the Hobbit.
Oh poor 40k players and fantasy players that there will be hobbit releases. If it were no for lotr in early 2000s there would be a different 40k now. Lotr was gw bread and butter for a while and even out sold sm at one time.
Without that lotr money there could have been a smaller gw without the great products we see now.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
I guess they realised that neglecting the greater majority of their customers (40K outsells Fantasy & LotR combined, and Fantasy outsells LotR) was a bad idea.
those 40k/whfb players shouldn't complain, they always get new miniatures, while we, the lotr players, get some re-releases in finecast every 4 months, its good to see we actually get some stunning new figs
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I'm not sure wether that is a sword... it's more like a letteropener, really.
Small video by rob_alderman over at Warseer featuring the previews of new miniatures hidden in the Hobbit rulebook:
http://youtu.be/agU_aURS6s4
There Elf Knights, Eagles, Gwaihir, Finecast Goblin King, Finecast Thorin's Company, Another Hunter Orc Leader with some spiky bone bits around him, The Grimhammer Dwarves, some leaders are mentioned too. Azog is riding a White Warg, so we will notice him quite readily! In the video, I thought the Hunter Orc might be Azog, but no, he's not!
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^No luck with new elven chivalry eh? My gosh GW should keep a cunning plan to pull Hobbit horse alive uptill the next year, after all there is a plan apart from price rip off, eh ?
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I dunno about the high price of the Trolls. They might be worth the price - I saw them in better setail on GW's page, and two of them have interchangeable silverware hands!!!
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AegisGrimm wrote: I dunno about the high price of the Trolls. They might be worth the price - I saw them in better setail on GW's page, and two of them have interchangeable silverware hands!!!
I don't know. GW may be on to something here. That silverware is an essential element in a holiday dinner diorama, and we all make holiday dinner dioramas don't we. So between the halfling hot pot, the spare rib from the Kroot sprue, and the 8 sets of silverware from the trolls, each diorama will cost more than 650 dollars.
There Elf Knights, Eagles, Gwaihir, Finecast Goblin King, Finecast Thorin's Company, Another Hunter Orc Leader with some spiky bone bits around him, The Grimhammer Dwarves, some leaders are mentioned too. Azog is riding a White Warg, so we will notice him quite readily! In the video, I thought the Hunter Orc might be Azog, but no, he's not!
Oh god
I have wanted plastic high elf cavalry since I got into this hobby (back with the first issue of the magazine they put out). It is a shame I don't really expect to find people to play with because I just know I'll have to build a small force around them.
Fafnir wrote: Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
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