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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/31 21:35:53
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Fixture of Dakka
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blood reaper wrote:Is it me or are the sculpts released by GW for the Hobbit recently have gone down in quality? I mean, look at Golem;
That, or it's just the paint job. When was Golem, erm, that colour?
Yes, paint job is very sloppy. I could have painted that mini
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/31 22:16:19
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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[DCM]
Dankhold Troggoth
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Is his hand one solid piece? I guess trying to show webbing? No gaps between the fingers from what I can see
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/01 09:43:18
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Maybe GW realized their LotR stuff won't sell anyway and were like "Well, fack it, juts spit the stuff we got out, nobody cares anyway!".
And yes, Gollum should see the doctor about his hand.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/01 17:35:25
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Infiltrating Prowler
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Sigvatr wrote:Maybe GW realized their LotR stuff won't sell anyway and were like "Well, fack it, juts spit the stuff we got out, nobody cares anyway!".
And yes, Gollum should see the doctor about his hand.
Yup. Sums up my thoughts on this. Movie was a bomb and so is the line. GW has officially thrown in the towel on this line. Committing minimal budget for sculpting and painting on them. Just enough to fulfill contract requirements.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/01 18:28:44
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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silent25 wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Maybe GW realized their LotR stuff won't sell anyway and were like "Well, fack it, juts spit the stuff we got out, nobody cares anyway!".
And yes, Gollum should see the doctor about his hand.
Yup. Sums up my thoughts on this. Movie was a bomb and so is the line. GW has officially thrown in the towel on this line. Committing minimal budget for sculpting and painting on them. Just enough to fulfill contract requirements.
How was the movie a bomb? It was the 4th highest grossing film of last year and was available to watch at the cinema for actual months! I wouldn't say it bombed at all!
Fourth against the Avengers, Dark Knight Rises and Skyfall
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Camouflage is the colour of fear... I have no need to hide from my foes... I have no fear of death. My colours I wear openly, they proclaim louder than any words, "I am proud to live - I am proud to die" : |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/01 18:45:35
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Infiltrating Prowler
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stubacca wrote:silent25 wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Maybe GW realized their LotR stuff won't sell anyway and were like "Well, fack it, juts spit the stuff we got out, nobody cares anyway!".
And yes, Gollum should see the doctor about his hand.
Yup. Sums up my thoughts on this. Movie was a bomb and so is the line. GW has officially thrown in the towel on this line. Committing minimal budget for sculpting and painting on them. Just enough to fulfill contract requirements.
How was the movie a bomb? It was the 4th highest grossing film of last year and was available to watch at the cinema for actual months! I wouldn't say it bombed at all!
Fourth against the Avengers, Dark Knight Rises and Skyfall
Fourth isn't first. That it lost out to Skyfall which was a decent Bond movie shows how weak it was. People expected it to dominate like the LotR series did. Did good, but did not generate the buzz or excitement everyone who invested in tie-in products hope it would.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/01 19:35:50
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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It did Ok in the cinema,
but it was not the Huge media hit that LoTR was,
it didn't get the 'vanilla' magazine, newspaper, TV, radio coverage that the original trilogy did,
and it's this extra coverage that drew folk who normally would not by tie in stuff to purchace a whole raft of junk/cool stuff including GWs LoTR stuff (unlike the Hobbit stuff)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/01 21:42:27
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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silent25 wrote: stubacca wrote:silent25 wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Maybe GW realized their LotR stuff won't sell anyway and were like "Well, fack it, juts spit the stuff we got out, nobody cares anyway!".
And yes, Gollum should see the doctor about his hand.
Yup. Sums up my thoughts on this. Movie was a bomb and so is the line. GW has officially thrown in the towel on this line. Committing minimal budget for sculpting and painting on them. Just enough to fulfill contract requirements.
How was the movie a bomb? It was the 4th highest grossing film of last year and was available to watch at the cinema for actual months! I wouldn't say it bombed at all!
Fourth against the Avengers, Dark Knight Rises and Skyfall
Fourth isn't first. That it lost out to Skyfall which was a decent Bond movie shows how weak it was. People expected it to dominate like the LotR series did. Did good, but did not generate the buzz or excitement everyone who invested in tie-in products hope it would.
Skyfall is the seventh highest grossing film of all time, and The Hobbit is the 14th, only being beaten by The Return Of The King.
To say that it "didn't do as well as LOTR" is a demonstrable falsehood.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/01 21:51:38
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Doesn't help the fact that almost nobody is aware, that a Hobbit tabletop game exists.
Not even White Dwarf thinks it is worth an article beside the standard one page per product in the news section, as if they are ashamed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/01 22:30:56
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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Goliath wrote:silent25 wrote:
Fourth isn't first. That it lost out to Skyfall which was a decent Bond movie shows how weak it was. People expected it to dominate like the LotR series did. Did good, but did not generate the buzz or excitement everyone who invested in tie-in products hope it would.
Skyfall is the seventh highest grossing film of all time, and The Hobbit is the 14th, only being beaten by The Return Of The King.
To say that it "didn't do as well as LOTR" is a demonstrable falsehood.
If that is the case, then that makes GW's failure to convert those ticket sales into unit sales of the game an even bigger issue. Although you could argue that there was something less of a 'buzz' about the Hobbit movie, just on the grounds that it wasn't anything new in the way that the first trilogy were, although again that would have to be a subjective statement on my part.
( OT - I thought I'd read that Skyfall was the biggest grossing film in the UK of all time? Or is this including international figures?)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/01 22:48:17
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yeah, it's the highest grossing film of all time in the UK, but worldwide it's only seventh, presumably due to how "british" Bond is.
On topic, the fact that it did so well does seem to make it worse on GW's part, but to be fair they were screwed over a fair bit by New Line changing to three films and altering who would have been revealed by the "first" film.
So even though millions of people went out and saw the film, the models available in many cases aren't from the film they went and saw, as the models were made for a larger film.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/01 23:19:54
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Infiltrating Prowler
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Goliath wrote:
Skyfall is the seventh highest grossing film of all time, and The Hobbit is the 14th, only being beaten by The Return Of The King.
To say that it "didn't do as well as LOTR" is a demonstrable falsehood.
Think you need to adjust for inflation. There are movies that made far more in relative ticket sales. And as I said, even if it was "successful", doesn't mean it wasn't a failure in the eyes of the studios. There are plenty of movies that were "#1" at the theater upon release, but are still considered a failure.
The Hobbit cost $250 million to make. That is a 20% return. I believe the studios expected far more. Automatically Appended Next Post: And if you want to see what the highest grossing film ever was:
Gone With the Wind
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/01 23:38:52
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Sheffield, City of University and Northern-ness
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silent25 wrote: Goliath wrote:
Skyfall is the seventh highest grossing film of all time, and The Hobbit is the 14th, only being beaten by The Return Of The King.
To say that it "didn't do as well as LOTR" is a demonstrable falsehood.
Think you need to adjust for inflation. There are movies that made far more in relative ticket sales. And as I said, even if it was "successful", doesn't mean it wasn't a failure in the eyes of the studios. There are plenty of movies that were "#1" at the theater upon release, but are still considered a failure.
The Hobbit cost $250 million to make. That is a 20% return. I believe the studios expected far more.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
And if you want to see what the highest grossing film ever was:
Gone With the Wind
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm
That's odd, I was under the impression that this discussion of "success" was based on the number of people who saw the film affecting how many then went out (or didn't) and bought The Hobbit models.
I didn't realise that it was the profit made by the film that determined how many people bought the associated products.
my bad.
That post was entirely sarcastic. The amount of profit/"success" of by a film is irrelevant in regards to merchandise as it doesn't give you any idea whatsoever of the actual number of cinemagoers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/02 00:01:04
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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There's nothing wrong with his hand. It is, as the GW newsletter is quick to tell us, sculpted from their "premium resin". So it's obviously perfect, and any fault we find is our own!
Unless of course when they say "premium" they just mean the price...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/02 04:10:36
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Infiltrating Prowler
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Goliath wrote:
That's odd, I was under the impression that this discussion of "success" was based on the number of people who saw the film affecting how many then went out (or didn't) and bought The Hobbit models.
I didn't realise that it was the profit made by the film that determined how many people bought the associated products.
my bad.
That post was entirely sarcastic. The amount of profit/"success" of by a film is irrelevant in regards to merchandise as it doesn't give you any idea whatsoever of the actual number of cinemagoers.
Yes, because high profit projects are a clear indicator of how good they are. Games Workshop games are clearly the best, most balanced and enjoyable game. Games like Infinity and Malifaux are horrible because they make less money.
Still there are plenty of movies on that list I that I look at and think, people actually spent money and time on that garbage?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/02 04:26:28
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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silent25 wrote: Goliath wrote:
That's odd, I was under the impression that this discussion of "success" was based on the number of people who saw the film affecting how many then went out (or didn't) and bought The Hobbit models.
I didn't realise that it was the profit made by the film that determined how many people bought the associated products.
my bad.
That post was entirely sarcastic. The amount of profit/"success" of by a film is irrelevant in regards to merchandise as it doesn't give you any idea whatsoever of the actual number of cinemagoers.
Yes, because high profit projects are a clear indicator of how good they are. Games Workshop games are clearly the best, most balanced and enjoyable game. Games like Infinity and Malifaux are horrible because they make less money.
There are a lot of people who would say GW provide the best overall product.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/02 07:30:08
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:silent25 wrote: Goliath wrote:
That's odd, I was under the impression that this discussion of "success" was based on the number of people who saw the film affecting how many then went out (or didn't) and bought The Hobbit models.
I didn't realise that it was the profit made by the film that determined how many people bought the associated products.
my bad.
That post was entirely sarcastic. The amount of profit/"success" of by a film is irrelevant in regards to merchandise as it doesn't give you any idea whatsoever of the actual number of cinemagoers.
Yes, because high profit projects are a clear indicator of how good they are. Games Workshop games are clearly the best, most balanced and enjoyable game. Games like Infinity and Malifaux are horrible because they make less money.
There are a lot of people who would say GW provide the best overall product.
An annoyingly large number of those people haven't actually played other games or bought the models.
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/02 08:00:39
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Morphing Obliterator
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The real measure of how successful the Hobbit was, will be how many people go the second film.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/06 18:25:41
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Dakka Veteran
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The Captain of Erebor is great, the Captain of Dale is mech, everything else is passable. Why release yet another version of Galdalf and Bilbo when they have yet to release Radagast and his sled?
timetowaste85 wrote:Welp, that's it: my life is now complete. I have now seen the Gollum with a fish model, and my final check has been placed on my bucketlist. Come get me, North Korean bombs. My life's crowning moment has been met.
LOL
Agamemnon2 wrote:Thror is perhaps my favorite dwarf GW has ever created. He really sells the kingliness angle.
I was really down for buying the Thror model. I forgot to check the WD for prices, and I raced down to my local GW store to check him out. Then i saw the price tag - TWENTY BUCKS?! For a tiny half-size model?! He's a very cool figure, but I put him back with the ninja quickness.
I think the prices are really too much. My local GW store still has tons of the LE starter.
--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com
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Looking for the Empire spearmen from the Warhammer sixth edition box set (empire vs orcs) Must be unpainted and in good condition. Also looking for MIB Empire State Troops boxes.
Looking for Battle for Macragge and Black Reach Tactical squads, unpainted and unassembled. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/07 02:36:57
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Just watched shipping wars. Gullom looks like the red base ball player red statue, that one of the shippers had to move. LOL.
Just wish I could remember the names, sorry.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/07 02:45:07
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
New York
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Wasn't there another Gollum with fish model?
Found it!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/07 02:50:23
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Dankhold Troggoth
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The link of highest grossing films adjusted for inflation is counting multiple theatrical releases for a lot of the old films (which is why so many are at the very top).
The Hobbit movie did a heck of a lot better than the game is doing, and as Kroothawk says, the fact that GW didn't / isn't marketing it anywhere certainly contributes to that. There's plenty of Hobbit paraphernalia in the bookstores around here, and I think it has pride of place because it sells. Those people don't know anything about GW's figures, though, because they're only advertised where gamers would see them. And most gamers saw what happened with LOTR and won't be biting again...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/24 11:22:20
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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In May, Hobbit will get just one release: Radagast the Brown on Sled (40€). Hobbit is covered on three glorious pages in the May WD (2 pages product presentation, one page fake preview with Goblin King).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/24 13:44:10
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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Sounds [unenthusiastic]fun[/unenthusiastic].
It would be nice if they could put out anything that is both a half decent model and at a reasonable price.
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/24 13:48:13
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Kroothawk wrote:In May, Hobbit will get just one release: Radagast the Brown on Sled (40€). Hobbit is covered on three glorious pages in the May WD (2 pages product presentation, one page fake preview with Goblin King).
Christ, 40€...that's a bit...high....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/24 14:10:02
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Werewolf of Angmar
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cincydooley wrote: Kroothawk wrote:In May, Hobbit will get just one release: Radagast the Brown on Sled (40€). Hobbit is covered on three glorious pages in the May WD (2 pages product presentation, one page fake preview with Goblin King).
Christ, 40€...that's a bit...high....
welcome to the world of GamesWorkshop, lad...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/24 15:55:01
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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Just a question: how much are Warriors of Rohan right now on the GW website (for some reason it says Site Temporarily Unavailable whenever I try to access the GW website here in the Philippines)? I have bought a box of 24 in my FLGS for Php 1550, so that's around $37-38. If I remember correctly they have stopped selling boxes of 24, right? So what I got must be some old stock.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/24 16:07:53
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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12 for 24.75 US-$.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/24 16:13:18
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Preacher of the Emperor
At a Place, Making Dolls Great Again
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they come in like boxes of 12 for about $30
enjoy
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Make Dolls Great Again
Clover/Trump 2016
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/25 00:24:32
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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So that means I "saved" some cash by buying old stock? Nice.
In comparison, the Fellowship of the Ring plastics are Php 2250 (around $55). For 9 plastic figures. While it's $38 for 24 plastic figures. THAT'S INSANE.
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