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I think the Lizard Ogre looks good.

 d-usa wrote:
Not a fan of the launcher. Just seems like a concept that was flawed from the beginning. Maybe the idea of a cathedral style rocket launcher just seems silly to me.

The ultimate expression of the Imperium would a mobile neo-gothic cathedral, covered in skulls, with a giant pipe organ as a rocket launcher crewed by a space marine terminator wearing a throne of skulls as a hat.

If that doesn't set your juices going then 40K is not the game for you. Or maybe stick with Tau.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The ultimate expression of the Imperium would a mobile neo-gothic cathedral, covered in skulls, with a giant pipe organ as a rocket launcher crewed by a space marine terminator wearing a throne of skulls as a hat.

Or perhaps a baroque Gothic trench-line covered in skulls and the slain bodies of hundreds of soldiers.

On second thought that sounds stupid. They'd never do that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What about the pads make them 'redundant'? They're interesting subtle designs, and as insaniak showed above, can be done nicely if you vary the paint styles

I agree with the dude here. You could use different "splits" for different ranks of knighthood in a chapter, or even to denote specializations. And even if they're redundant, that's only a problem for the manufacturer who has to keep an extra master and castings, not for us, the savvy consumer.

"Professional" work, as always. With a paint job to match the wonky, blobby, uneven sculpts.

Here's some of my issues with the cyclone.

First and foremost, the sculpt looks very, very poor, and curved or bowed in areas it looks like it should not be.

Second, while I applaud the cathedral launcher, the tiny asymmetrical launcher on the right does nothing to add to the sculpt, and only becomes a detraction IMO. Had there been a matching one on the left, it would have been a non-issue, but these are my ideas on the sculpt as it stands.

Third, be it paint job or actual model, the model itself simply looks uneven. It's impossible to tell what the original intention was the missles -do- look unfinished and simply "slapped in place."

Marrak, I believe the " tiny asymmetrical launcher on the right " you are talking about is actually " a seperate targeting array".

Not that that changes the actual wonkiness of the thing, but....

And is that Lizard-Ogre with club a southpaw or what?

Any chance to get your stuff stocked at a U.K/Europe retailer?

The paint job isn't doing much for the Missile Launcher.
Could we at least see an unpainted and inked product perhaps?

I'd spend 4.50 once to see the actual not Cyclone. The paint job absolutely sucks and could be what is making the unit look bad. I like the other cyclone in white....much cleaner and straight lines. Also the targeting array on the one side makes it look lop sided.

Would like to see CHS's cyclone and the belts were mounted on models. Also baseball lizard looks cool but needs a baseball cap.

If you think the targetting array makes it look lop sided, why don't you .... leave it off maybe?

It is sepperate after all. And yes, the more I see it, the better it looks to me. I'd still like to see it properly painted and on a model before I make a final judgement but it increaseingly seems to me that the 'wonkiness' to it is an illusion due to it curving down at the back and possibly curving in at the same time.

Still not sure I like it, but willing to keep an open mind until I see it on a model.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
... but it increaseingly seems to me that the 'wonkiness' to it is an illusion due to it curving down at the back and possibly curving in at the same time.

That, and the missiles being unevenly spaced and sticking out at different angles, the tops of the two side arches being straight while the centre one is arched and wobbly, and the gold trim around the edge being uneven.

I think the missile launcher might be ok with a SoB army, somewhere. I'll have to see if I can get my sister to pick up some for hers.

Rocket launcher is awful. I mean, if that master sculpt was sent to them, why didn't they use it? It looks so much better.

Flexible belts are cool.

And I do like the shoulder pads.

I like the pads the most, might get some for my homebrew chapter. the missile lancher is not to bad

 SickSix wrote:
Rocket launcher is awful. I mean, if that master sculpt was sent to them, why didn't they use it? It looks so much better.

Because...

 Chapterhouse wrote:
The ones we had originally done were lost in transit somewhere.. its horrible when it happens and it does unfortunately.

Having said that, it seems like it would have made more sense to just get the same guy to make up another one.

These new items just don't look like they're professional quality.

So Chapterhouse have now even leeched GW's release ethic? If a poor final model is made, just release it and hope suckers buy it?

Loki just won the thread.

 -Loki- wrote:
So Chapterhouse have now even leeched GW's release ethic? If a poor final model is made, just release it and hope suckers buy it?

To be fair, it very well could be some bad photoshopping on top of the poor paint job that is creating flaws that may not exist.

As requested earlier, pics of the bare piece with a black ink wash are needed to pass legitimate judgement on the actual sculpt.

plastictrees wrote:You prefer the one with unevenly spaced missiles (with none of the missiles being quite the same size), and wonky, uneven, vents?
The only spot I can see that could be excused by CHs consistently ham fisted use of photoshop is the front right missile arch, and as it's consistently wonky in just the same spot in the front and back photos, I'm going to stick with weak sculpting/ quality control.

Looking closely at it, I'm not so sure the missiles truly are unevenly spaced. I believe the unfortunately subpar paint job might be causeing that. Now, I didn't get a tape measure out and hold it against my monitor, but the spaces between the missiles look the same when eyeballing them and ignoring any false dimensional perceptions from the paint job.

I can't help but wonder why the vitriol, though. The whole "consistently ham fisted" comment was a bit harsh. I mean, it would be different if you bought one and it was not as nice as it looked due to misrepresentation or something but, for someone who's got no more invested in them than "I saw them on the internet," it's pretty rough.

Marrak wrote:Here's some of my issues with the cyclone.

First and foremost, the sculpt looks very, very poor, and curved or bowed in areas it looks like it should not be.

I'm not seeing this. Any chance you could point that out with more specificity?

Marrak wrote:Third, be it paint job or actual model, the model itself simply looks uneven. It's impossible to tell what the original intention was the missles -do- look unfinished and simply "slapped in place."

I think this is a very valid comment. While I think it's the paint job causing it... it shouldn't. I mean, really, this paint job would be quite nice for the game table, it's just not what I'd want to represent an item I'm trying to sell.

Conrad Turner wrote:If you think the targetting array makes it look lop sided, why don't you .... leave it off maybe?

It is sepperate after all. And yes, the more I see it, the better it looks to me. I'd still like to see it properly painted and on a model before I make a final judgement but it increaseingly seems to me that the 'wonkiness' to it is an illusion due to it curving down at the back and possibly curving in at the same time.

Still not sure I like it, but willing to keep an open mind until I see it on a model.

Agreed all around.
I mean, sure, the targeting array makes it lop sided... I seem to recall Termies having a bult in targeting array for THEIR missile launcher that is only on one side, too. I haven't heard any vitriol about THAT.
I mean, like you said, it can just be left off.

Eric

 Aerethan wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
So Chapterhouse have now even leeched GW's release ethic? If a poor final model is made, just release it and hope suckers buy it?

To be fair, it very well could be some bad photoshopping on top of the poor paint job that is creating flaws that may not exist.

As requested earlier, pics of the bare piece with a black ink wash are needed to pass legitimate judgement on the actual sculpt.

My eyes are bad, but not that bad. I'm not talking about the top of the center launcher. I can see clear as day misaligned missiles (on the right side pod, the bottom two missiles are closer together then the middile and top missile), and thanks to the quick drybrush on the vents, which will only pick up edges, you can see vents that aren't lining up properly.

Knowing it's a bad product and releasing it anyway is the sort of gak people scream at GW for. Chapterhouse put out a turd, and people polish it as much as possible.

I'm by no means trying to polish it. It's not a product that appeals to me at all, and I have no particular allegiance towards CHS other than in their law suit.

I'm more stating that perhaps a naked model will more clearly show if the final product IS better than what we've been shown here.

Perhaps that one was a super terrible cast and others are better.

If the master looks as shoddy as the pics for the product, then yes it is very much a crap sculpt.

 paulson games wrote:
I think the Lizard Ogre looks good.

I like them as well. Will probably pick up one or both for use with Ganesha Games Song of Blades and Heroes, which has become the Saturday night go to game for me and my wife.

I really want to like the cyclone, because I think it's a cool deign and it would look great on my deathwing, so I hope it's just a bad picture/paint job thats making it look... off.

Hey guys, I actually have one of the new CHS launchers and it really is better than you think! I've obtained a fair bit of product from them over the last couple of years and never had any issues so far I'm not sure why some pics look wonky but the product is not and fits like a glove on my termie! here's a look. after I washed it with some ink so you can see it

Got a shot of it from the rear.

Gimme a minute i'll see what I can do :-)


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It's not showing up on my photobucket yet so I'll post the rear shot up tomorrow morning if that's cool?

It looks pretty good unpainted. It's also a lot smaller than I originally assumed from the product picture.

So I take it the target-sensor is a separate piece?