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So i don't own a rulebook yet, and i understand what I am asking is going to drive a few of you baty so I am going to be forward about that and just say if you'd rather not give me and my new gaming group some advise or answers that is cool but please just be patient I would rather ask dumb questions and know the system inside and out than just guess and this system has left me guessing from time to time.

1. Special attacks: things like Groundpounder from Markus and Tremor from the Ironclad have these star actions now some people tell me i need to spend a focus to do these actions and others say I don't. If i do this action does it count as using the weapon or doing a special attack. for example is Markus has 1 focus and uses groundpounder can he then buy a shooting attack since he hasn't used the ROF of the Rocket Cannon?

2. Stacking Bonuses: Elevated terrain, it gives +2 defense an the ability to see past the first rank of dudes.. right? can it be combined with Foxhole to also gain cover which gives +4 defense and immune to blast damage? this means +6 defense

3. forests and shooting: If you have a model in the woods, firing at something outside the woods does that targer get a cover or concealment bous? Conversely would the model inside gain it?

4. Do offensive spells need a specific target in order to hit? or can you hit the ground for spells like rift?

5. Casting spells in close combat: is it able to be done or provoke a freeswing?

6. AOE's and boosting: will 1 focus boost all damage or the damage against 1 target?

I'll post more as they come to us

1.) Jacks and Beasts need to spend a Focus to use a Power Attack, NOT a *Attack. No model needs to spend Focus to use a *Attack, it just replaces all your normal attacks.

2.) Cover and Concealment do Not stack. AFAIK all other bonuses Will stack so long as they are not the same name. So yes, you can get Cover or Concealment while standing on a Hill.

3.) You can see 3" thru the Forest, so as long as there is less than 3" of Forest between you and your target, he gets no bonus for it if he's outside of it and you are in it. It any infintestimal fraction of the Target's base is in the Forest they get Concealment for +2 Def.

4.) Every Attack MUST Target a model unless it specifically states otherwise. You MUST Target a model with Rift. You CAN target a Friendly model with it. You Can't Target the model making the Attack or the Arc Node that is Channeling it.

5.) You can cast spells while Engaged in melee without penalty so long as you are not Targeting a model in melee that is not also in melee with you.

6.) You must spend 1 Focus/Fury for each model that you want to Boost your damage against. You can pick and choose which ones you want to Boost on.

A lot of that can be found in the main/mini rulebooks, too.

It's All in the main rule book actually. New group trying it out, don't have the book yet, I'll help em out this time. But I won't make a habit of it.

This is off topic, but there is a mini rulebook? I couldn't find any mini rulebook on sale, I thought there was just the one kind, hard or soft cover.

Like GW, PP's starter boxes come with a mini rulebook.

Ah. Thanks for that. I like hardcover ones anyway

Starter Boxes come with the Quick Start rules. its not like GWs mini-rulesbook (smaller and minus the fluff).

The rules that are in the starter boxes are also available on the PP website.

 darefsky wrote:
Starter Boxes come with the Quick Start rules. its not like GWs mini-rulesbook (smaller and minus the fluff).

The rules that are in the starter boxes are also available on the PP website.

The two player battle boxes come with mini-rulebooks, its only the individual battle group boxes that come with the quick start rules.

 darefsky wrote:
Starter Boxes come with the Quick Start rules. its not like GWs mini-rulesbook (smaller and minus the fluff).

The rules that are in the starter boxes are also available on the PP website.

I've read over it and did realize i asked a few questions which the quick start rules could have answered, however- i am still foggy on if I can use a Special * attack like ground pounder which is under Rocket Cannon and still buy a normal gunshot with it afterwords or do ground pounder again because it's just an attack. I'll keep looking but you have to understand i am getting alot of these ruled ad hoc style.

 AduroT wrote:
1.) Jacks and Beasts need to spend a Focus to use a Power Attack, NOT a *Attack. No model needs to spend Focus to use a *Attack, it just replaces all your normal attacks.

That one answers your ground pounder query doesn't it?

I don't know the Rate Of Fire on Seige's gun... If you have a ROF of 2 or more, then you could make a *Attack as your first shot, and buy additional normal ranged attacks with Focus up to your ROF. If your gun is ROF 1, then the *Attack is your one and only shot.

Melee attacks you can make a *Attack and then still buy as many additional normal melee attacks as you have Focus.

You never get to make more than a single *Attack of any kind, and if a model has more than one different *Attack, you have to choose which One you want to use.

 AduroT wrote:
I don't know the Rate Of Fire on Seige's gun... If you have a ROF of 2 or more, then you could make a *Attack as your first shot, and buy additional normal ranged attacks with Focus up to your ROF. If your gun is ROF 1, then the *Attack is your one and only shot.

Melee attacks you can make a *Attack and then still buy as many additional normal melee attacks as you have Focus.

You never get to make more than a single *Attack of any kind, and if a model has more than one different *Attack, you have to choose which One you want to use.

yep ROF 1, okay that was what I was curious about i more or less wasn't sure if it counted as actually firing it or not. Not a bad trade off though so i can't complain I am just trying to understand the finesse of the rules.

haven't seen anything suggesting it isn't possible yet but if you leave an unused focus on jacks (which i have done once or twice by accident lol) can that focus be used to boost to hit on a freeswing?

also thanks for humoring me guys I just got a digital copy of the rulebook and am reading over it while i post these so i am weening off of the FAQ :p

You can only Boost attacks during your Activation, so no go on spending it to Boost during a Free Strike, unless its a rare case of out of activation movement that does not ignore Free Strikes. Generally any Focus you don't spend during the Jack's Activation are wasted, but leave them on until you remove them during your next Matenence Phase as there are models that will do extra damage for them being there or have ways to steal them.


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Oh, and speaking of FAQ, you should download the official errata off the website.

 AduroT wrote:
You can only Boost attacks during your Activation, so no go on spending it to Boost during a Free Strike, unless its a rare case of out of activation movement that does not ignore Free Strikes. Generally any Focus you don't spend during the Jack's Activation are wasted, but leave them on until you remove them during your next Matenence Phase as there are models that will do extra damage for them being there or have ways to steal them.


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Oh, and speaking of FAQ, you should download the official errata off the website.

speaking of which i found the answer to my rule about elevated terrain + foxhole spell they do stack, one is elevated terrain the other is cover I am not combining concealment and cover there

As Aduro said, boosting free strikes with focus isn't allowed, but note that free strikes are already done at +2 MAT. If you hit with your free strike, the damage roll is boosted automatically.

 Mr. Grey wrote:
As Aduro said, boosting free strikes with focus isn't allowed, but note that free strikes are already done at +2 MAT. If you hit with your free strike, the damage roll is boosted automatically.

*rubs his own butt* yeah.. i got a painful lesson in that earlier as Cygnar against Khador

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

4. Do offensive spells need a specific target in order to hit? or can you hit the ground for spells like rift?
I'll post more as they come to us

Rift does need to target something, but as a tactical tip you can target things out of range and then let it scatter. This is particularly nice for AOEs that stay in play like Rift or Black 13s magestorm.

Another tactical tip, you can target your own guys. Run a guy (sacrificial lamb) out to where you want the spell to land and cast it on them. You even get a bonus to hit if you are in their back arc. Particularly nice if you want a AOE in a certain spot or the blast dmg/effect is enough for the badguys. For example stryker has earthquake which knocks down everyone it hits. This is a good way to make sure it hits what you want.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:


speaking of which i found the answer to my rule about elevated terrain + foxhole spell they do stack, one is elevated terrain the other is cover I am not combining concealment and cover there

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Yes, Siege can indeed dig a giant foxhole on a hill and claim both benefits. Sometimes reality gets a little bit bent in WM/H (Mohsar's Pillars of Salt are infinitely tall and can also be stacked on top of each other)

Apparently it was even more funneh in MKI, when Siege could create both elevation and Foxholes wherever he wanted to.

 Mordekiem wrote:

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

4. Do offensive spells need a specific target in order to hit? or can you hit the ground for spells like rift?
I'll post more as they come to us

Rift does need to target something, but as a tactical tip you can target things out of range and then let it scatter. This is particularly nice for AOEs that stay in play like Rift or Black 13s magestorm.

Another tactical tip, you can target your own guys. Run a guy (sacrificial lamb) out to where you want the spell to land and cast it on them. You even get a bonus to hit if you are in their back arc. Particularly nice if you want a AOE in a certain spot or the blast dmg/effect is enough for the badguys. For example stryker has earthquake which knocks down everyone it hits. This is a good way to make sure it hits what you want.

Indeed, friendly models are valid targets for everything too.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Mordekiem wrote:

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

4. Do offensive spells need a specific target in order to hit? or can you hit the ground for spells like rift?
I'll post more as they come to us

Rift does need to target something, but as a tactical tip you can target things out of range and then let it scatter. This is particularly nice for AOEs that stay in play like Rift or Black 13s magestorm.

Another tactical tip, you can target your own guys. Run a guy (sacrificial lamb) out to where you want the spell to land and cast it on them. You even get a bonus to hit if you are in their back arc. Particularly nice if you want a AOE in a certain spot or the blast dmg/effect is enough for the badguys. For example stryker has earthquake which knocks down everyone it hits. This is a good way to make sure it hits what you want.

Indeed, friendly models are valid targets for everything too.

lol yep i used force hammer on an iron clad to knock down my enemy warcaster

 Grey Templar wrote:
Indeed, friendly models are valid targets for everything too.

Yes, but.

As with everything there are exceptions some spells and abilities have targeting restrictions. The Cygnarian warjack Avenger has knockdown on its gun but only if it hits an enemy model. The spell Perdition (Skarre2, Reznik) needs to damage an enemy model to get the free advance.

Edit: ok, those aren't targeting restrictions. I'm loading up war room to find better examples.

Indeed, but they are exceptions. Everything is straightforward in Warmachine, which can be tough for people coming from 40k.

Very good point. I forgot this was info for a new player.

I did find something with a targeting restriction though. Bane Lord Tartarus' Curse ability. It starts with "Target enemy model/unit" meaning it can never be used on something friendly.

Same for pVlad and Blood Boon. Basically, they're tried to make it to where killing your own models in Mk2 isn't as beneficial all the time as it was in Mk1.