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What if they gathered around it or fired an Animus Speculum or sth at it? Would this be like when the Doom of Malenti destroyed a craftworld by feeding off the infinity circuit?

I was told at one point that this would divide by zero.

What does "sth" mean?

I'm not sure anything spectacular would happen. Psykers are highly annoyed by soulless beings, but if the Eisenstein series is to believed, they aren't destroyed by their presence.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
What if they gathered around it or fired an Animus Speculum or sth at it? Would this be like when the Doom of Malenti destroyed a craftworld by feeding off the infinity circuit?

I was told at one point that this would divide by zero.

Pardon bbut what are you rambling about? As you most likely are aware of every Eldar is a psyker of different maginuted. And the chances of a pariash getting aboard a craftworld is so unliekly that the Emperor is more likely to return than fo that to happen. And Tyranids are far different from any human psykers.

 Monster Rain wrote:
What does "sth" mean?

I'm not sure anything spectacular would happen. Psykers are highly annoyed by soulless beings, but if the Eisenstein series is to believed, they aren't destroyed by their presence.

Something

Did you mean Eisenhorn, or was there a series with Flight of the Eisenstein?

I think that's sth that's been been changed throughout the fluff. Some sources state that the "level" of pariahs can be lethal, but only to highly psychic beings. Eldar might end up being vulnerable to this. Even in the "overpowered" SK sector, there'd probably only be about 10 or 30 nulls of this level. Across the entire Imperium, it might be the same, but they'd all be scattered across the Imperium.

Pariahs have varying levels of power.

It would damage the circuit, but it would probably just cut off the damaged sections - the Infinity Circuit is alive and sapient after all. What a Culexus needs to hit is the Infinity Circuit core. One Culexus couldn't do it, but an entire Culexus Assassination Force could probably do it, destroying the heart of a Craftworld.

EDIT: before anyone says the Eldar would destroy the Culexus Temple utterly if they did this, I'd like to remind you all that the Craftworld Eldar (or Alaitoc at least) already know where the Culexus Temple is. However, they foresaw that in the event of victory, a chain reaction of events would ensue that would culminate in the utter destruction of Alaitoc, and perhaps other Craftworlds.

Because Culexus are invisible to psykers, it would actually be fairly easy to sneak on a Craftworld. They wouldn't detect him through psychic means.


The damage to the Infinity Circut would be horrendous, if not irreperable. Likely thousands of souls would be lost, or at worst the entire circut destroyed.

I don't think they're actually invisible to psykers, at least, not one with a good level of warp sense.

Culexis assassins are basically the alpha plus version of blanks.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Because Culexus are invisible to psykers, it would actually be fairly easy to sneak on a Craftworld. They wouldn't detect him through psychic means.

Pretty much...of course, the Imperium wouldn't waste valuable Culexii to do this, but if the presence/existence of a certain Craftworld is more trouble than its worth, then yes, the Inquisition is certainly ruthless enough to do this.

The damage to the Infinity Circut would be horrendous, if not irreperable. Likely thousands of souls would be lost, or at worst the entire circut destroyed.

If they hit the core, the Infinity Circuit might just self-destruct.

 Melissia wrote:
I don't think they're actually invisible to psykers, at least, not one with a good level of warp sense.

Actually, they are. Rakel getting near Jurgen (who's only a blank, not a pariah) described him as nothing - she couldn't feel him at all, and it was like looking into empty space. For a telepath, I'm guessing that's probably even more terrifying than facing a Daemon. And Culexii are probably trained to avoid letting psykers feel their 'void'.

And just to clarify, they arn't "Invisible" as in you can't see them with your Eyes but rather you can't sense them in the Warp like normal sentients.

I think the headgear they wear keeps their powers contained, allowing them to be invisible and not have their "wrongness" give them away. They can then open their Bale Eye and start murderizing things.

Rakel isn't a particularly good example, being utterly fething nuts as she is.

 Melissia wrote:
Rakel isn't a particularly good example, being utterly fething nuts as she is.

Well, that's true...but they can get close enough to high-ranking Eldar leaders and kill them, as happened to the sister of the Alaitocii Farseer from Codex: Necrons 3rd Edtion, the one who sent a force against the Culexus Temple but recalled them after he saw that victory would lead to Alaitoc's (and perhaps the other Craftworlds') destruction. If they can do that, I'm pretty sure they can infiltrate a Craftworld. And this is the Officio Assassinorum we're talking about - they could probably obtain a few STC/Golden Age of Technology gizmos from the Adeptus Mechanicus to circumvent a Craftworld's defenses.

Certainly the latter part is true anyway. The Assassinorum temple has its means.

Of course they have better things to do then kill Craftworlds.

I could see them trying it just to see if they could. An experiment of sorts.

Could make an interesting novel. A lone Assassin infiltrating a random Craftworld with the task of destroying the Infinity Circut.

Would need to be a minor one. They'd likely not want to piss off the major ones just for an "experiment".

 Grey Templar wrote:
Of course they have better things to do then kill Craftworlds.

If its more trouble than its worth...

I could see them trying it just to see if they could. An experiment of sorts.

I would think the Culexii too valuable to waste on experimentation...of course, they could just clone them, but still...

 Melissia wrote:
Would need to be a minor one. They'd likely not want to piss off the major ones just for an "experiment".

I'm pretty sure Alaitoc already knows better than attacking/destroying the Culexus Temple, or risk disaster.

I think also that it would be fairly easy to get into the craftworld, if they could remain unseen visually.

Although depending on the level of Pariah needed to destroy the circuit, it could be problematic getting enough of them together, even for the "overpowered" SK sector. The high level nulls in my fluff aren't just sent around the galaxy lightly, as there's very few of them. If it doesn't require that many nulls, just a Culexus assassin equivalent, then it could be doable, but otherwise getting the nulls on site would be a problem.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I think also that it would be fairly easy to get into the craftworld, if they could remain unseen visually.

Although depending on the level of Pariah needed to destroy the circuit, it could be problematic getting enough of them together, even for the "overpowered" SK sector. The high level nulls in my fluff aren't just sent around the galaxy lightly, as there's very few of them. If it doesn't require that many nulls, just a Culexus assassin equivalent, then it could be doable, but otherwise getting the nulls on site would be a problem.

You underestimate the talents of the Culexii and the resourcefulness of the Officio Assassinorum.

The Eldar despised and feared the Culexus Assassins above all other Human weapons/warriors. It shows it would have a devastating effect on their society.

If a Pariah kills an Eldar, does it cancel out the effect of the soul stone? Would the nulls be able to cast all the souls into the warp after destroying the circuit?

 Harriticus wrote:
The Eldar despised and feared the Culexus Assassins above all other Human weapons/warriors. It shows it would have a devastating effect on their society.

Actually, its debatable if the existence of blanks/pariahs are known to the general Eldar population, considering the rarity of either. The Farseers certainly do (they are the primary victims of the Culexii), and the Autarchs and Exarchs might know as well. Its also debatable whether any other Craftworld apart from Alaitoc know of the Culexus Temple's location. And if they did, whether or not they know of the disastrous consequences of its destruction.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
If a Pariah kills an Eldar, does it cancel out the effect of the soul stone? Would the nulls be able to cast all the souls into the warp after destroying the circuit?

No, the soul is snuffed out, like how Daemons 'slain' by a pariah/blank or in the presence of one simply disappear instead of being banished into the Warp.

 Tadashi wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
The Eldar despised and feared the Culexus Assassins above all other Human weapons/warriors. It shows it would have a devastating effect on their society.

Actually, its debatable if the existence of blanks/pariahs are known to the general Eldar population, considering the rarity of either. The Farseers certainly do (they are the primary victims of the Culexii), and the Autarchs and Exarchs. Its also debatable whether any other Craftworld apart from Alaitoc know of the Culexus Temple's location. And if they did, whether or not they know of the disastrous consequences of its destruction.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
If a Pariah kills an Eldar, does it cancel out the effect of the soul stone? Would the nulls be able to cast all the souls into the warp after destroying the circuit?

No, the soul is snuffed out, like how Daemons 'slain' by a pariah/blank or in the presence of one simply disappear instead of being banished into the Warp.

What exactly happens if they destroy the temple?

So if the Pariahs fight daemons or pskyers, they'd have a strong incentive to be victorious or escape combat? Plus any battle between the Eldar and the Scharzenkommando would be extremely demoralizing?

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
What if they gathered around it or fired an Animus Speculum or sth at it? Would this be like when the Doom of Malenti destroyed a craftworld by feeding off the infinity circuit?

I was told at one point that this would divide by zero.

It's a moot point. For this to happen you'd need to have essentially destroyed the Craftworld already, a being that fundamentally disturbs every Eldar within a couple of dozen yards isn't exactly going to make it onto a Craftworld at all without being found and stabbed to death, not to mention the fact that any Farseer worth the name would see this coming miles away...

Actually, that's an interesting question. Can Farseers foresee the fate of blanks?

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Tadashi wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
The Eldar despised and feared the Culexus Assassins above all other Human weapons/warriors. It shows it would have a devastating effect on their society.

Actually, its debatable if the existence of blanks/pariahs are known to the general Eldar population, considering the rarity of either. The Farseers certainly do (they are the primary victims of the Culexii), and the Autarchs and Exarchs. Its also debatable whether any other Craftworld apart from Alaitoc know of the Culexus Temple's location. And if they did, whether or not they know of the disastrous consequences of its destruction.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
If a Pariah kills an Eldar, does it cancel out the effect of the soul stone? Would the nulls be able to cast all the souls into the warp after destroying the circuit?

No, the soul is snuffed out, like how Daemons 'slain' by a pariah/blank or in the presence of one simply disappear instead of being banished into the Warp.

What exactly happens if they destroy the temple?

The Alaitocii Farseer who learned of the temple's location foresaw (in the event the Alaitocii attacked and destroyed the temple) Alaitoc overwhelmed and being destroyed by an unidentified opponent. He believed it couldn't be the Imperium, since if they could do so, they would have done so long since.

 AnomanderRake wrote:


Actually, that's an interesting question. Can Farseers foresee the fate of blanks?

No. Blanks and pariahs are completely immune to any form of psychic activity. That's the reason why the primary target of Culexii are Farseers and Sorcerers who are far too troublesome for the Imperium's liking (this assumes individuals like Ahriman and Eldrad are not considered as 'too troublesome').

Arhiman may have been a target of Culexi, however they may simply have failed.

He is in the Webway looking for the Black Library. It's probably tough to find him.

Eldrad might be seen as more useful alive then dead.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Arhiman may have been a target of Culexi, however they may simply have failed.

He is in the Webway looking for the Black Library. It's probably tough to find him.

I prefer to think that he's considered as '...potential target, currently deferred...', due to his maverick nature causing as much damage to Chaos as it does to the rest of the galaxy.

Eldrad might be seen as more useful alive then dead.

The Istvaanite faction of the Inquisition would probably agree. Despite the bloody Human cost of his manipulations, the Imperium has always come out of each crisis stronger than it was when the crisis began.

I'd imagine if a blank/pariah wandered onto a Craftworld they'd pretty much be found instantly and killed. The whole thing is basically alive and watching all the Eldar inside for signs of taint, which if found, it makes sure is eliminated. A Blank or Pariah would show up not because psychic energy can see them, but because the energy is missing. Anywhere they go they get lit up by the darkness they are giving off.

Ahriman I'd doubt would be threatened by one, they may take the power of sorcery from him, but he was also one of the Thousand Sons who pointed out relying on their powers alone was stupid. So you're up against a super-human who can kill you with or without his powers. I've only seen him really 'hurt' by one thing in such a way and that is the weapon Inquisitor Czevak used on Korban Xarchos, whom Ahriman was transmitting through at the time. And that weapon had the highest level of Pariah Negativity.

Given the Black Council is headed, or was by Eldrad, I'd say all Craftworlds know the location, as the Black Council would have shared the information of both location and the message it was not to be attacked.
Just the same I would guess if any Imperial units tried, The Grey Knights and Ordo Malleus would shoot down any attempt. Without the Eldar's help, the Malleus and Grey Knights will struggle in their purpose. And Malleus will work with Eldar to achieve their goal, they have the Black Library of Chaos and the only being immune to the taint of Chaos.

SkyD wrote:
I'd imagine if a blank/pariah wandered onto a Craftworld they'd pretty much be found instantly and killed. The whole thing is basically alive and watching all the Eldar inside for signs of taint, which if found, it makes sure is eliminated. A Blank or Pariah would show up not because psychic energy can see them, but because the energy is missing. Anywhere they go they get lit up by the darkness they are giving off.

Not really - Assassins are trained to avoid detection, and in the case of the Culexii, it probably involves masking their psychic void, probably with that mask-helmet of theirs.

The defenses, being psychic in nature, would simply not detect the Culexus.

Culexus powers arn't simply to strip powers from Psykers, they are also Anti-psykers.

Just like Psykers manipulate Warp Energy, they can manipulate Negative Warp Energy.

 Grey Templar wrote:


Just like Psykers manipulate Warp Energy, they can manipulate Negative Warp Energy.

Didn't they twist their targets' powers against them or something?

EDIT: Found it...that mask-helmet of theirs, the Animus Speculum, utilizes the Culexus' void to drain psychic energy in the surrounding area and fires it in massive energy blasts capable of brain-frying and soul-destroying anything that's caught in the AoE. Furthermore, the more psykers in the area, the more powerful it becomes. And then there's the Etherium, a device that distorts and confuses nearby enemies (psychic or not) which together with the Culexus' void renders him virtually undetectable.