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I think I literally just played one of the easiest games of LoL ever... match ended in 22 minutes with my team up 30 kills, all towers in tact, and only three deaths. I'd swear I was playing against bots, but even bots don't build Tear of the Goddess on SHEN. I don't know if they were trolling or just that bad XD
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Spent the weekend learning Thresh. My enthusiasm for support is quickly returning .. something to do while the ADC farms by collecting souls and all 4 abilities are really useful. Plenty still to learn as he does appear to have lets of subtle tactics - I'm enjoying lanterning the tower so the team can dive in a get the shield while knocking the tower down. The grab is awesome as well and unlike blitzcrank no one seems to be totally paranoid about it ...
"We didn't underestimate them but they were a lot better than we thought."
Sir Bobby Robson
Sigvatr wrote: The bad thing about Thresh is that more often than not, your teammates have no idea what to do and don't click the lantern, then die, then blame you.
So true. I can't tell you how many times I've typed out "click the lantern you fool" into chat.
And for those who play support in need of a pick me up!
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I've slowly grown to playing pretty much only support these days. Everyone was always fighting for the "positions of glory" I like to call them because they get kills and are visually represented by stats on the board. Nobody really seems to notice the support until the game has ended and I have more assists than anyone else has kills....or two seconds after your wards on the other side of the map time out they'll fuss at you for not warding enough even though you're currently trapped up next to your base.
My two favorites, by far, are Nami and Taric. I keep trying to get better as Lulu but she has such a unique kit that most ADCs don't know how to take advantage of what I'm doing like the CC that my main two put out. I've gotten pretty decent as Blitz too, but he's always banned so I guess the skill stays in my back pocket for the off chance that I get him in a ranked game.
My only complaint is that I'll throw out CC abilities to get my team out of a potentially bad engage and they seem to think "TARIC STUNNED SOMEONE! CHARGE!" and then two people die a very quick death. It baffles me when I meet someone who doesn't understand the idea of a bad engage and that stuns aren't only for going into fights. My favorite thing to do though is to save junglers from invades gone bad (invading blue side's red) as Nami. Heal+speed boost on my jungler, which damages the enemy and follows up with a bubble for my jungler to get away. Nami is definitely the queen of saves.
Meh, I don't seem to get Lulu. Doesn't deal a threatening amount of damage, its (?) shield doesn't shield a lot, the slow is easy to dodge...I don't see it being a great choice tbh.
Sigvatr wrote: Meh, I don't seem to get Lulu. Doesn't deal a threatening amount of damage, its (?) shield doesn't shield a lot, the slow is easy to dodge...I don't see it being a great choice tbh.
The big thing for lulu is that she can secure line of sight on a target, and her ult can secure double kills in bot lane (and in team fights its almost as good as malph's ult). Her passive also makes for strong aggressive harassment against certain pairings.
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Sigvatr wrote: Meh, I don't seem to get Lulu. Doesn't deal a threatening amount of damage, its (?) shield doesn't shield a lot, the slow is easy to dodge...I don't see it being a great choice tbh.
The big thing for lulu is that she can secure line of sight on a target, and her ult can secure double kills in bot lane (and in team fights its almost as good as malph's ult). Her passive also makes for strong aggressive harassment against certain pairings.
She can also be built quite aggressive and hit really hard with her "Glitterlance" as a poke in lane, making people have to think twice when you can essentially double your reach with "Help, Pix!" I've seen some ridiculous plays come out of that combo. "Whimsy" doubles as an exaust style skill (though not for long) she can just bully down someone out of place really well. The problem is that because her kit is so a-typical most people don't know how to work with it and it makes it hard for me to set up kills for my ADC. Also, the lack of sustain hurts her hard making the lane hard to hold against another aggressive type pre-6. Post 6, though, the ultimate turns teamfights like nobody's business.
Glitterlance can shoot through minions and it's range works as a great poke. Link with a decent ADC and the effective silence and slow you have means that you are pretty unasailable until the jungler comes down. Speed boost then allows you to run out of danger instead of silence on the enemy champion and then continue with glitter glance with a fantasticly low cool down. If I get a decent ADC then I can poke while shredding health off minions and allowing my ADC to clean up on last kills while keeping their ADC off them. Get a poor partner and, as with Soraka, you are extremely squishy and susceptible to early kills.
Due to squishiness, if I'm unsure of the skill of my ADC I will go kayle or Thresh as they are a little more robust.
"We didn't underestimate them but they were a lot better than we thought."
Sir Bobby Robson
The thing is, I don't see any reason to pick him over Sona. Sona just has everything. She surpasses his poking by far with her Q, she has a way better sustain, a reliable slow + ms buff and a AoE stun with high damage. She's like the uber supporter. Get Lichbane on Sona and watch her damage...it's ridiculous!
Sigvatr wrote: The thing is, I don't see any reason to pick him over Sona. Sona just has everything. She surpasses his poking by far with her Q, she has a way better sustain, a reliable slow + ms buff and a AoE stun with high damage. She's like the uber supporter. Get Lichbane on Sona and watch her damage...it's ridiculous!
Lulu? Him? Not sure about that - looks like a girl to me. If other team already takes Sona or you want a more aggressive support then why not?
"We didn't underestimate them but they were a lot better than we thought."
Sir Bobby Robson
Sigvatr wrote: The thing is, I don't see any reason to pick him over Sona. Sona just has everything. She surpasses his poking by far with her Q, she has a way better sustain, a reliable slow + ms buff and a AoE stun with high damage. She's like the uber supporter. Get Lichbane on Sona and watch her damage...it's ridiculous!
Lulu? Him? Not sure about that - looks like a girl to me. If other team already takes Sona or you want a more aggressive support then why not?
In case Sona isn't available, I'd go for Taric. Lulu simply has no sustain while both Sona and Taric can hold the line (pun) forever. Lulu might be fine, I'd be interested in comp input on this...but then again, I'm too lazy to search )
Sigvatr wrote: The thing is, I don't see any reason to pick him over Sona. Sona just has everything. She surpasses his poking by far with her Q, she has a way better sustain, a reliable slow + ms buff and a AoE stun with high damage. She's like the uber supporter. Get Lichbane on Sona and watch her damage...it's ridiculous!
Lulu? Him? Not sure about that - looks like a girl to me. If other team already takes Sona or you want a more aggressive support then why not?
In case Sona isn't available, I'd go for Taric. Lulu simply has no sustain while both Sona and Taric can hold the line (pun) forever. Lulu might be fine, I'd be interested in comp input on this...but then again, I'm too lazy to search )
It definitely varies on many factors, but mostly surrounding by the goals of the duo in lane. Do they want to be aggressive and bully the other two out? If so, Taric/Sona aren't the best at that. They can do it, but that is definitely more suited for supports that set up situations like Leona, Lulu and Blitz. If you take a Lulu support, you better be ready to just absolutely poke and bully the opposition into submission. If you play too passive, they'll walk all over you due to the lack of sustain. But in order to do this, you have to have an aggressive, early game ADC as well. Caitlin does so well with Sona and Taric because what they do best is sustain and protect their ADC from trouble, occasionally setting up kills when the others are out of position. Where as Miss Fortune can do so well with lulu because of how aggressive she can be in lane.
Lulu brings versatility and variety of range to the table, 2 things Sona absolutely does not. You know that if you're outside Sona's AA range, she can't do a thing to you. If you catch her in a bush, she's going to stun or slow you, and you'll probably still get her before she makes it back to the turret.
Lulu can haste her partner while slowing her enemy- almost insuring heavy dmg, if not a recall or kill early game. Her shield will boost her carries dmg while providing her with a place to cast her spells from. She can also shield a minion to poke with glitterlance just about anywhere in the lane.
A cunning and experienced Lulu player is totally unpredictable, augmenting her own team or debuffing the enemy team as the situation and her own Whimsy demands.True, she does not bring sustain to the table, and her ult is nowhere near as powerful as Sona's. Other than Amumu, whose is? The more you play her, the more solutions you will see for any given situation.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
Sona easily surpasses Lulu's poking - her Q deals a lot of damage at normal range with a low cd and its damage is further increased by Power Chord. Plus you can't dodge it.
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Lulu can extend the range of her attacks with E and Q, far out ranging Sona. Poke is all about range. Sona's Q easily puts her in range of most other ranged attacks in the game leaving her likely to get caught in a poke fight. Sona's role in poke fights isn't to poke it's to heal people who get poked.
Lulu's Q without her E still outranges that I'll add. Poke isn't just about damage, and even then as a support, Lulu is likely to out damage Sona over a game. Her autoattacks do more because of her passive, and while Sona only has 1 offensive ability, Lulu has 2.
Sona works better in a general push team strategy because of her sustain. Lulu on the other hand works better in more aggressive team compositions focused on acing the enemy team opposed to pushing them down (Lulu can of herself force an engagement, and pull a team out of one, something Sona has a harder time doing).
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Dude i cannot believe it, I just won a ranked game for my team by stealing baron with Ziggs' ult. SOOOOOOO GOOOODDDDDD!
Veteran Sergeant wrote:In the grim darkness of the far future, the guy with a rifle is the weakest man on the battlefield, left to quake in terror, hoping the two or three shots he gets do the job before somebody runs screaming across the battlefield to hit him with an energized stick.
Hmmm I guess I'll give Lulu a try if one day, I get enough IP for her then. So in like, a few months? -_-
I don't like, though, that you aren't as versatile as e.g. with Sona and for solo q, Sona is far superior due to her carry potential and the ability to get so many assists due to her W/E long range.
OH by all means, if you are not convinced don't buy her! I did just because she was a Xypherous champion, and I didn't play her outside of Dominion for months. Until you start to lose faith in Sona, usually as your ELO improves and people start capitalizing on her squishyness and predictability, Lulu won't be a good purchase. Hold on until you can run her as a trial.
A cheap, and awesome alternative to Sona is Soraka. For that matter, Janna is a pretty close analogue to Lulu, and she isn't 6300.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
Soraka is a great champ for rising through the rankings. Easy to play, powerful, and no one in lower tiers seems to know how to deal with her. In all fairness, her infuse really shouldn't be free anymore, but it still is so abuse the **** out of it.
Her Lulu and perhaps Leona/Taric really for rising, it depends on the carry you're with as well. As for Leona/Taric, you'll probably want a duo instead.
I'd say jump on the Janna train and actually get good, but then I used to play Janna quite a lot. Still do, just not as much as I'd like to.
Oh and not really seen too much, but if you can figure out Karma she's actually decent. But, with the rework coming up it might just be worth picking her up for the free skin and then letting her sit for a bit. There's a few others on that list as well.
Another important thing I should mention is that you shouldn't actually try to play a proper support at the lower levels. It's kind of like a different game almost. What you're after is more damage and utility instead of just plain utility.
LordofHats wrote: Soraka is a great champ for rising through the rankings. Easy to play, powerful, and no one in lower tiers seems to know how to deal with her. In all fairness, her infuse really shouldn't be free anymore, but it still is so abuse the **** out of it.
At low ranks I get so much hate if I try picking Soraka. I think she's a great support, but often not worth the flaming.
"We didn't underestimate them but they were a lot better than we thought."
Sir Bobby Robson
LordofHats wrote: Soraka can't do a lot of the 'fancy' stuff other supports can. She's quite plain but there are a lot of things she can do. My personal favorite:
Rylai's + Q = Perma-Slow Field
Her ult saves lives, can be a teamfight meanace if built into because that health burst can be gamechaning if used right. I tend to only like taking her though if I have a strong AP team comp (bursters/double AP/etc) to capitalize on the usage of Starcall.
