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 UberhAxTHC wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why it's acceptable for someone to get mad over something that doesn't matter? I still haven't heard that one yet.

Nobody has said that.
It is possible for both people to be in the wrong - you do understand that, right?

 TrickyTaquito wrote:
So when you start deliberatly pissing him off, he makes sure you actually follow the rules. That makes him the bad person here? I'm not saying he couldn't have handled it better or anything but you're the one who pushed him to act that way. And complaining that his rules lawyering made the game last longer than normal is funny considering how a) you dragged out all your dice rolls and b) he likely wouldn't have been so nitpicky if you hadn't tried to make him angry


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 UberhAxTHC wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why it's acceptable for someone to get mad over something that doesn't matter? I still haven't heard that one yet.

Can you explain to me why it's acceptable to purposely upset someone so much they cry?

I seriously lol'd at your post.
Mostly because I said it like 5 times already, but I'll say it again, since you seem to have missed it.

A 23 year old friend of mine of 13 years, a guy I knew since I was 10, one of my best friends, was acting like a child over a game because he was losing. I was already following the rules, mind you, he just started watching me extra close for no reason (he knows that I know the rules, he was just getting mad and trying to get back at me). I was waiting for a long time for him to just act like an adult, and say something about it...but when he started so mad about everything, I had to take a step back, look at it from a realistic point of view, and realize that he was seriously trying to get into a real, potentially physical, fight with me, over what? A game. Of Warhammer 40k. And I laughed. And he just got more mad. And then I laughed harder. And then it got to the point where I did my very best to OBVIOUSLY troll him, hoping that he would do the same. But instead, he just got more pissed off and decided to act like a child. He should've just laughed.

I'm not going to babysit grown men in a game of 40k. I expect my opponent to act like an adult. If he acts like a child, I will treat him as such.

I don't see anything in your posts that justifies your actions. You saw that something made him upset so you did it more. Even if it's about something not important to you, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIM and you knew it. The fact that he's a long time friend just makes you more of a dick

If you were just fooling around it would have been ok, everyone having a laugh and such, but as it was actually upsetting him it was wrong.

My friend rolls one dice at a time very often if the target is the last guy in a squad and there are 5+ dice involved.
Rolls them together? Pedro dies in CC with Autarch.
Rolls them one by one? Two guided warwalker squadrons kill one terminator.

It's totally OK if you do that with your friends (and you know they won't take it this hard).
With some randoms? No way man.

Ultimately I'm with the others who posted before me. No internet cookie for you OP. Shame!

 UberhAxTHC wrote:
So for the rest of the game, I kinda just keep pushing it, doing the same thing. ...and at this point I'm just about trolling him

So you're acting like an donkey-cave and he's the one who's at fault?

 UberhAxTHC wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why it's acceptable for someone to get mad over something that doesn't matter? I still haven't heard that one yet.

That is not acceptable behavior.

Your response was even less acceptable behavior, unless you are a child, then it was perfectly fine for you to respond like that.

 UberhAxTHC wrote:
Like statistically speaking, it would not matter. It made no affect on gameplay, other than perhaps slow it down (but he was doing that more than I was, by far).

Eye for an Eye! I love it...

Or you could act like a mature person and talk to him about it, either way.

This community just makes me sad now. None of you are on topic, you just keep telling me how terrible of a person I am for trying to lighten the mood by messing around with my friend. I was even making stupid faces as I rolled the dice one at a time, just to get across how not-serious I was. Yes, he took it the wrong way, but I was joking, and several of my other friends were with me on it, all of us laughing, except him.

I didn't step on a kitten, guys. Chill out.

 UberhAxTHC wrote:
This community just makes me sad now. None of you are on topic, you just keep telling me how terrible of a person I am

You deliberately provoked someone and then bragged about it on the internet. The internet called you out on your childishness. You don't then get to hide by saying you're disappointed in the community.

You were in the wrong, and you don't like being told that.

When you act like a jerk and bully someone, don't expect people to be taking your side. If that's what you expected this community to be like, you're living in a sad dreamworld.

You are right that

 UberhAxTHC wrote:
No game should ever cause anyone to be this upset to begin with.

But if one of your friends is upset you make even more fun of them? you have an interesting version of the word friend.

 UberhAxTHC wrote:
And does anyone have any actually proof that rolling dice separately instead of together confers an unfair advantage?

The only difference between rolling 12 dice at once and one at a time is that one at a time can be manipulated easier than rolling all twelve at once.

 UberhAxTHC wrote:
So anyone else had any experience with this kind of ridiculousness?

No, but then again I make fun of them when we are all having a good time, and talk to my friends when they are upset.

Maybe if you acted like a mature person to those you consider friends, you would not find yourself in this situation.

Handle it like a man, not a kid.

 UberhAxTHC wrote:
So anyone else had any experience with this kind of ridiculousness?

No, because my friends and I don't act like complete gaks to each other. Because, you know, we're friends.

 ShatteredBlade wrote:
In fact, there's a rule for the Dark Eldar that states a certain piece of wargear HAS to have the save dice rolled one at a time.

That's 'cause the Void Shield fails as soon as the first 1 is rolled and the rest of the wounds, even from the same wound pool, has to be taken without the invulnerable save. Eldar Corsair Prince can select this item as well (and, incidentally, Corsair Prince can be Fortuned while a Dark Eldar can't).

Rolling dice one at a time, provided it isn't being done to actively slow the game down, and is needed from a rules standpoint is perfectly OK.

Realising your opponent doesn't like this behaviour, and then not only increasing the frequency of the act just to upset him, but also coming onto a forum to brag about it just puts the onus back onto you as being the bigger child.

L. Wrex

Statistically - theory wise - there is no difference between rolling 12 d6 together or separately. This theory may not take into accound the extra randomisation tumbles you get from dice collisions (something that happens in practice).

No-one should take games that seriously, I agree. There are a large number of people with Autism spectrum type disorders who are attracted to gaming (from minor to full blown compulsive behaviour), though - and these will usually react badly when you do something they are not used to.

Tell ya what, I'll bring my foot guard by sometime, and everytime my 30 men blobs FRFSRF, I'll roll the dice one at a time for you. (that's at least 80 shots)

He probably got annoyed and felt you were trying to slow play or annoy him (which to be fair, you were)

The only instance in which I ever roll dice 1 at a time is in the case of multi-wound units or other specific rules. I play Eldar or Tyranid and my other friend is IG while another plays Blood Angels. We all roll our dice all at once unless as I said it's for a good reason such a multi-wound units as it saves time. Fair enough that your friend shouldn't have been getting so upset over a game of 40k, but you as a mature person should have seen that if he was getting annoyed and your actions made him more annoyed, you should have maybe put it on the back burner. The way you described it that you were making funny faces and getting others to join in on the joke may have made things even worse as he might have felt you were all ganging up to make fun of him. Ye were both in the wrong but you sure didn't act in anyway to stop aggravating him, so he may have been childish but so were you.

a few things
-one playing like that eats up time
-if the models are all the same dont see why to wast the time (unless your really lucky with rolling one at a time then go right ahead.)
-i usually have about 50 dice but that just because i play my brother a lot and he likes guardsmen.
but really id just say have 30 dice on hand if your friend gets upity about that number hes got issues.
but i suppose little things can get on some peoples nerves.

I would like to add to this as well,

Rolling one dice at a time is acceptable in certain instances, like when several units try to reserve/deepstrike in, or when you resolve wound with an IC close to the front of a squad.
However there is a point where it transitions from an easier way to calculate casualties or clearing up which units come in to purposefully dragging a game out even when an opponent shows annoyance.

as an example, if I'm shooting at a five man strike squad with crowe 2-3 guys in, I'll let him roll individually so he benefits from crowe's stats instead of an unnecessary 4-5 guys biting it.
likewise, if I was facing a 10-man harlequin Squad in CC and someone tried to roll their 30-40 attacks one at a time I'd be pissed, to say the least.

Also as kwah said, this game eats up a fethload of time, and time is valuable, what if an opponent has a date or appointment and missed it and got increasingly late and annoyed because you thought it'd be fun to roll everything one at a time.

Now like most things it's usually not any one persons fault when stuff like this happens, and your friend was wrong to overreact like that and if he got pissy because you needed to roll a batch twice because of lack of dice then it's completely fine (and honestly i'd do it too) to make a friendly joke about it, but pushing him when it's obvious he doesn't enjoy it isn't being a good sportsman, or a good friend.

Now as you say it is a game, but games are supposed to be enjoyable for all participants, especially if it's a friendly game between two long-time buddies. Just because you had fun making him quit and run away (which admittedly is immature, on both counts) Doesn't mean he had fun at all, This is a 2+ player game, and acting like you did consistently is a good way to make sure you don't get many matches in.

I laughed at all the people getting upset at the OP for messing with his friend. No offense, but that kind of upset attitude makes it seem like you are the same kind of person as the OP's friend. People who get upset and nerdrage at the most foolish things.

If my friend slowplayed me or did something similarly trolly and I wasn't pressed for time, I would just chuckle and tell him to stop being such an [expletive]. I wouldn't care if he kept doing it or not after that.

Sure, sometimes I'd be pressed for time and want people to hurry up, but I'd never cry or rage or storm out of the room if they refused to comply. Simply keep verbally prodding them with the occasional "Hurry up!".

If you are leaning over the table going "Hurryuphurryuphurryuphurryuphurryuphurryup" while your opponent looks you in the eye and slowly drops one die at a time, you're a fool to not realize what's going on.

OP is a bitch, guy who cried is over-dramatic. I'd play with the over-dramatic person over the bitch any day of the week.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I think actually, from a technical standpoint, you are actually supposed to roll your dice one at a time.

The rules mearely suggest that you roll dice in batches to save time.

And, in the case of mixed save units, you are required to roll your dice one at a time.

Actually, according to the FAQ, you are required to roll all saves one-at-a-time.

It used to be the case where in a simple unit (where every model has the same save) you would take saving throws, allocate wounds, take FnP and Look Out Sir rolls where appropriate, and remove models.

And in complex units, you would allocate wounds, take Look Out Sir as appropriate, roll each save individually, take FnP as appropriate, and remove models. In this way you prevented characters with a 2+ save passing the benefits of their armour save to the rest of the squad.

However, the last FAQ re-wrote the process so that all units containing a character (which includes all Squad Leader type characters) to be resolved as 'complex' units.

Worst piece of errata ever.

To be honest, if a guy like the OP is 'disappointed' in me or the community, that means we're doing something right.

 Kaldor wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I think actually, from a technical standpoint, you are actually supposed to roll your dice one at a time.

The rules mearely suggest that you roll dice in batches to save time.

And, in the case of mixed save units, you are required to roll your dice one at a time.

Actually, according to the FAQ, you are required to roll all saves one-at-a-time.

It used to be the case where in a simple unit (where every model has the same save) you would take saving throws, allocate wounds, take FnP and Look Out Sir rolls where appropriate, and remove models.

And in complex units, you would allocate wounds, take Look Out Sir as appropriate, roll each save individually, take FnP as appropriate, and remove models. In this way you prevented characters with a 2+ save passing the benefits of their armour save to the rest of the squad.

However, the last FAQ re-wrote the process so that all units containing a character (which includes all Squad Leader type characters) to be resolved as 'complex' units.

Worst piece of errata ever.

Page 16, Fast Dice. You're not required to roll them one at a time.

 curran12 wrote:
To be honest, if a guy like the OP is 'disappointed' in me or the community, that means we're doing something right.

Well said. Much as I have no respect for the one-at-a-time guy's breakdown, I'm glad to see that the OP has been comprehensively called out on their deliberate antagonism.

 Grey Templar wrote:
If you were just fooling around it would have been ok, everyone having a laugh and such, but as it was actually upsetting him it was wrong.

quite.