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A friend of mine recently had the worst gamer rage moment I've ever seen in my life. We were in the middle of a game of 40k, and he puts some wounds on one of my squads. I pick up the dice to roll my saves, and notice that I don't have enough dice for all the wounds, so I just tell him I'll roll the dice I have twice. This is where things start. When I do this, I notice him get a little more than upset by it, and it had me intrigued. So for the rest of the game, I kinda just keep pushing it, doing the same thing. At one point, he does several wounds to one of my terminator squads. He's already started getting whiny about it, and at this point I'm just about trolling him because of how ridiculous he's acting over a game. So I start rolling the saves on my terminators one dice at a time. He loses it. He gets so mad that he actually starts crying, literally, while screaming at me, "YOU HAVE TO ROLL THEM ALTOGETHER!" before he just leaves the room.

I don't think I'm ever going to play another game of 40k or Fantasy with him ever again because of this.
I understand that some people get irritated by things like this, but realistically, it's just a game. No game should ever cause anyone to be this upset to begin with. If it does, they are taking it way too seriously, and have lost the point of playing a game, which is fun.

Now I really want to ask, does it really even matter? Statistically speaking, what is the difference in rolling 12 dice, and rolling 12 dice one at a time? Is there any? Why would there be? Did he actually have a reason to be upset by this, or was this legitimately one of the dumbest things I've ever seen occur during a 40k game? Personally, I think he was just pissed off because he was losing. Chances are that if I roll 12 dice, I could just as easily roll nothing but 2+ ups as I could rolling 12 dice at once.

So anyone else had any experience with this kind of ridiculousness? Anyone ever got mad at you in a game of 40k over something that literally made no difference? And does anyone have any actually proof that rolling dice separately instead of together confers an unfair advantage? I'd like to see it.

This makes me chuckle. He has no right to be angry... your right, just a game. Ever see orks roll a hand full of dice multiple times??? Going down to 1 die for each terminator might of been a little excessive, unless they were all equpied differently, then you have to.

I wouldnt play him again either. You win some, you loss some, if you grip over it, you shouldnt play the game.

If I can, I roll all of my dice at once. When assaulting with a large slugga/choppa boyz squad, that isn't feasible.

If he's getting that upset about it, I'd avoid playing him and then tell him exactly why.

There is no rule that says you have to roll them all at once. Besides, I have worse luck rolling dice individually than in a group. Stupid Look Out Sir rolls...

Oh man; that's pathetic.

No one ever said you have to roll everything at the exact same time. Just that certain groups of saves and throws are rolled together. If this were the case, I'd need about 50 more dice for my guard blob, in case it ever got to shoot.

Isn't there something in the rulebook about rolling one dice at a time, especially for rerolls and the like? I know in the DVbook it says something about quick rolling, and it's not the same as rolling a handful at the same time, but still.

Statistically, it doesn't make a difference. I think the Gambler's Fallacy talks about it a bit IIRC.

In fact, there's a rule for the Dark Eldar that states a certain piece of wargear HAS to have the save dice rolled one at a time.

xSPYXEx wrote:
Isn't there something in the rulebook about rolling one dice at a time, especially for rerolls and the like? I know in the DVbook it says something about quick rolling, and it's not the same as rolling a handful at the same time, but still.

There are a number of times per the BRB where you must roll them one at a time, but that's generally when you have a character in a unit or are shooting with weapons that have the Gets Hot rule as that's model specific.

It could be argued, that if you roll them one by one you are trying some sort trick as you can't control more than one dice good enough that it would make a difference. If that was the reason he was so pissed it may be very paranoid but it sounds understandable, at least to a certain degree. But I think he should have noticed that you are trolling him, as you started rolling them so slowly just after he started complaining.

 Shadox wrote:
It could be argued, that if you roll them one by one you are trying some sort trick as you can't control more than one dice good enough that it would make a difference. If that was the reason he was so pissed it may be very paranoid but it sounds understandable, at least to a certain degree. But I think he should have noticed that you are trolling him, as you started rolling them so slowly just after he started complaining.

My friend fails more saves when rolling a bunch of dice then when rolling them 1 by 1.

He passed 11 rolls out of 12, either armor or FNP, but when we rolled 20 saves later he failed the average amount.

I'd say that because of the fact that dice can favor one side or another due to how you roll, that rolling in a group is the only way to be 'fair'.

I think actually, from a technical standpoint, you are actually supposed to roll your dice one at a time.

The rules mearely suggest that you roll dice in batches to save time.

And, in the case of mixed save units, you are required to roll your dice one at a time.

It is proven that rolling less dice at a time does a few things to the roll as opposed to rolling more at once.

The short answer is rolling lots of dice at once increases the randomness while rolling dice one at a time can actually (when done correctly) increase the odds of getting a roll you want.

At the very least, rolling as many dice as possible is simply to speed things up. Sometimes when I have to roll 20 dice, I just roll the 10 I keep in my hand twice, keeping track of the previous result. This is to simply to avoid spending the time getting more dice. When I know I will need more dice, I've already gotten them out.

 juraigamer wrote:
(when done correctly) increase the odds of getting a roll you want.

Wouldnt that be cheating?

there will be times when you have to roll one at a time like look out sir (unless I been reading that wrong) but its just common courtesy to roll allot of dice and move on especially in areas with only a few tables when people need to get games in or tourneys with time limits.

Yes it would be cheating. People with some knowledge of trick rolling dice can increase their odds of getting a roll they want by as much as 50%. Also rolling less dice and using rigged dice means they work better, rolling lots of rigged dice together hurts them as the bump into each other rather than just using the weight of the dice to slow them down, on the weighted end.

I was using his dice, and not using a trick, in fact when I roll dice, I usually do my best to make it "bounce" off of a wall or tower, or some other piece of terrain, so I can be sure that it doesn't roll off the table.

Another guy in my group really, really loves rolling his dice in the GW craters though...and it works for him too. We've started placing the craters away from his deployment zone just so he won't do it. XD

That guy sounds like a douche. But on the other hand, saying "it's just a game" just annoys me even more. It's a game I spend 2-4 hours of my life playing against you. If you spend that time actively trying to annoy me, then I know I could have spent that time in a more entertaining way. If you insist on wasting my time, I'm not going to play the game with you ever again. Plus, I spend dozens of hours painting my models for those rare occasions when I do get to play, and if you waste that game-time by being an effing douche, then I'm going to get pissed, and I won't play against you again.

In general, ANYONE who actively TRIES to piss someone off just for their own f'ed up sense of fun, deserves to get their sh*t knocked out with a brick.

 SgtSixkilla wrote:
That guy sounds like a douche. But on the other hand, saying "it's just a game" just annoys me even more. It's a game I spend 2-4 hours of my life playing against you. If you spend that time actively trying to annoy me, then I know I could have spent that time in a more entertaining way. If you insist on wasting my time, I'm not going to play the game with you ever again. Plus, I spend dozens of hours painting my models for those rare occasions when I do get to play, and if you waste that game-time by being an effing douche, then I'm going to get pissed, and I won't play against you again.

In general, ANYONE who actively TRIES to piss someone off just for their own f'ed up sense of fun, deserves to get their sh*t knocked out with a brick.

Yeah, but take a step back and look at what is causing said pissed offness, rolling one die at a time. Don't think that is a brick to **** offense frankly. Communication skills people. "Hey man, why are so uptight?" "Your rolling one die at a time and its just pissing me off!!" "Okay, but BRB says its okay, but how about this? If its a group of all the same saves and no characters, I roll them all at the same time?"

Wow, that sounds so freaking difficult.......

MaxDamage wrote:

 SgtSixkilla wrote:
That guy sounds like a douche. But on the other hand, saying "it's just a game" just annoys me even more. It's a game I spend 2-4 hours of my life playing against you. If you spend that time actively trying to annoy me, then I know I could have spent that time in a more entertaining way. If you insist on wasting my time, I'm not going to play the game with you ever again. Plus, I spend dozens of hours painting my models for those rare occasions when I do get to play, and if you waste that game-time by being an effing douche, then I'm going to get pissed, and I won't play against you again.

In general, ANYONE who actively TRIES to piss someone off just for their own f'ed up sense of fun, deserves to get their sh*t knocked out with a brick.

Yeah, but take a step back and look at what is causing said pissed offness, rolling one die at a time. Don't think that is a brick to **** offense frankly. Communication skills people. "Hey man, why are so uptight?" "Your rolling one die at a time and its just pissing me off!!" "Okay, but BRB says its okay, but how about this? If its a group of all the same saves and no characters, I roll them all at the same time?"

Wow, that sounds so freaking difficult.......

Oh but it is Max, if you notice your behavior is pissing someone off, you are perfectly justified in not only continuing said behavior, but making sure to maximize said behavior as to produce the maximum amount of frustration from your opponent. This is acceptable and encouraged here!!! Who cares what other stuff is going on in this kids life, what other stresses he/she might be dealing with. This is 40k dammit and feth it if I aint gonna purposely troll (read: do my best to ensure I make my opponent as frustrated as possible with my unnecessary, although rules justified rolling of every single die one at a time) my overly sensitive whiny opponent until they leave the game in tears, and then come on dakka and laugh at them and lampoon them to others! Arent I great?! Lol look at me, I made a kid cry and leave a game! Arent I the best? OP, no offense, but your a jackass for behaving like this recount of your story and the rest of the people on this thread attaboy'n him should be ashamed as well.

MaxDamage wrote:

Yeah, but take a step back and look at what is causing said pissed offness, rolling one die at a time. Don't think that is a brick to **** offense frankly

Like I said. That guy sounds like a douche. What sparked my annoyance with the OP was that he practically brags about doing that intentionally to piss his opponent off. That's just childish and d*ckish.

The OP comes off as one of those childish little brats who, upon seeing the smallest chink in someones armor, jumps on it and does his best to pry that effer up. It doesn't matter what the reason. actively seeking to piss someone off is douchebaggery at the highest level.

Well, rolling them one by one just to annoy him when you could see it made him unreasonably angry kinda makes you a dick...
But back on topic, the only time you're forced to roll one by one is mixed saves and things like look out sir iirc

edit: ninja'd by sgtsix

...The idea of rolling dice one by one scares me. I'd never get a Bladestorm off at all...

thakabalpuphorsefishguy wrote:

MaxDamage wrote:

 SgtSixkilla wrote:
That guy sounds like a douche. But on the other hand, saying "it's just a game" just annoys me even more. It's a game I spend 2-4 hours of my life playing against you. If you spend that time actively trying to annoy me, then I know I could have spent that time in a more entertaining way. If you insist on wasting my time, I'm not going to play the game with you ever again. Plus, I spend dozens of hours painting my models for those rare occasions when I do get to play, and if you waste that game-time by being an effing douche, then I'm going to get pissed, and I won't play against you again.

In general, ANYONE who actively TRIES to piss someone off just for their own f'ed up sense of fun, deserves to get their sh*t knocked out with a brick.

Yeah, but take a step back and look at what is causing said pissed offness, rolling one die at a time. Don't think that is a brick to **** offense frankly. Communication skills people. "Hey man, why are so uptight?" "Your rolling one die at a time and its just pissing me off!!" "Okay, but BRB says its okay, but how about this? If its a group of all the same saves and no characters, I roll them all at the same time?"

Wow, that sounds so freaking difficult.......

Oh but it is Max, if you notice your behavior is pissing someone off, you are perfectly justified in not only continuing said behavior, but making sure to maximize said behavior as to produce the maximum amount of frustration from your opponent. This is acceptable and encouraged here!!! Who cares what other stuff is going on in this kids life, what other stresses he/she might be dealing with. This is 40k dammit and feth it if I aint gonna purposely troll (read: do my best to ensure I make my opponent as frustrated as possible with my unnecessary, although rules justified rolling of every single die one at a time) my overly sensitive whiny opponent until they leave the game in tears, and then come on dakka and laugh at them and lampoon them to others! Arent I great?! Lol look at me, I made a kid cry and leave a game! Arent I the best? OP, no offense, but your a jackass for behaving like this recount of your story and the rest of the people on this thread attaboy'n him should be ashamed as well.

Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but I didn't think both parties handled it very well. One for being pissy over something a bit innocuous in my opinion, the other, knowing it pissed his opponent off and continuing to do it. Lack of manners, communication, and social skills. Doesn't sound like a real "friend" to me in the first place.


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 AnomanderRake wrote:
...The idea of rolling dice one by one scares me. I'd never get a Bladestorm off at all...

And this makes me lol....

It's true with practice you can role sixes fairly reliable with one dice at a time, rolling multiple dices will increase randomness (Not saying I do this but as a lad I played alot of boardgames and I remember such shenanigans!)

Yeah it was pretty pathetic for your opponent to burst out in tears over this but it was also pretty childish of you to push him that far. Like you said; it's just a game. If you know your opponent doesn't like it when you roll your dice individually when there is no good reason to do so, why do you do it? Only because it affected him. That's even worse if you ask me.

I did it because a 23 year old man shouldn't be crying about a game. Argue with that.

Also, at no point did he ever actually say it bothered him. Instead, he just started getting extremely technical with the rules, like "you're moving an extra 1/8th of an inch there", or "no, you're weapon skill FOUR" (after I ASKED what WS the model was, then he yelled this)...he basically turned into a giant douche. That's WHY I trolled him. I wasn't picking on some little kid guys, he's older than I am, and he should act like it. Getting whiny and starting to tear apart every little piece of the game, to the point where a 2000 point game ran onto almost 4 hours (I'm serious) due to critical game playing, over something that statistically makes no difference whatsoever, no...that's just childish.

And should any of you ever encounter such a jerk, I implore you, please, troll his freaking face off till he cries like the 8 year old he is inside. Maybe he will embarrass himself enough to consider acting like a grown up in the future.

 UberhAxTHC wrote:
I did it because a 23 year old man shouldn't be crying about a game. Argue with that.

I think we've all made it pretty clear that he pushed his boat out pretty far in that case. But you didn't have to attach a motor to his boat. (It could be said that you motor-boated him.) It was a Major D*ck move on your part. It wasn't necessary, and highly unfriendly. At best, what you did was waste his time, at worst it was intentional harassment, as you could clearly see it affected him. A grown person shouldn't do that kind of thing. You should know better. Unless you're 9. If that's the case, you're just a brat who deserves the cane.

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Oh, and not just that you are a childish troller, you come on an internet forum to brag about it afterwards, expecting to get high-fives and cred...

To me, rolling multiple saves at once is a courtesy to the other players since it saves time. The same applies to measuring only the front rank of a unit for moving instead of each individual shoota boy in my mob of 30 (some people may want you to measure every unit).

It sounds like the OP was trying to push someones buttons for the fun of it and the opponent had anger issues. I don't think I would want to play with either of them.

 Greenizbest wrote:

It sounds like the OP was trying to push someones buttons for the fun of it and the opponent had anger issues. I don't think I would want to play with either of them.

Well said.

Can someone please explain to me why it's acceptable for someone to get mad over something that doesn't matter? I still haven't heard that one yet.

Like statistically speaking, it would not matter. It made no affect on gameplay, other than perhaps slow it down (but he was doing that more than I was, by far).


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 Greenizbest wrote:
To me, rolling multiple saves at once is a courtesy to the other players since it saves time. The same applies to measuring only the front rank of a unit for moving instead of each individual shoota boy in my mob of 30 (some people may want you to measure every unit).

It sounds like the OP was trying to push someones buttons for the fun of it and the opponent had anger issues. I don't think I would want to play with either of them.

No hard feelings, if you can't take a few jokes, I wouldn't play you either.

 UberhAxTHC wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why it's acceptable for someone to get mad over something that doesn't matter? I still haven't heard that one yet.

Like statistically speaking, it would not matter. It made no affect on gameplay, other than perhaps slow it down (but he was doing that more than I was, by far).

Nobody said that. What we are saying is that you both were wrong.

He was wrong to get upset over a trivial thing(when the rules actually support what you were doing)

But you were also wrong in intentionally antagonizing your opponent.

So when you start deliberatly pissing him off, he makes sure you actually follow the rules. That makes him the bad person here? I'm not saying he couldn't have handled it better or anything but you're the one who pushed him to act that way. And complaining that his rules lawyering made the game last longer than normal is funny considering how a) you dragged out all your dice rolls and b) he likely wouldn't have been so nitpicky if you hadn't tried to make him angry


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 UberhAxTHC wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why it's acceptable for someone to get mad over something that doesn't matter? I still haven't heard that one yet.

Can you explain to me why it's acceptable to purposely upset someone so much they cry?