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On the one had, Kroothawk is right. It totally looks nothing like what they had before.

On the other hand, I really love the current one. It's beautiful, if less elegant.

It definitely ratcheted down the tau/eldar aesthetic and cranked up the imperial... although I'd probably most compare the old one to the flyer in the last terminator movie.

It mind of reminds me of the dropships from one of those newer, crappier Star Wars movies. The one where Yoda drops down into the..... gladiator pit or whatever with the um... clone troopers, maybe? Look, I saw the movies but am not really into Star Wars.

Bodywise, like this a bit:



Note that I'm not complaining, I like it very much.

This one looks really good. But I liked the old one better. Hyperfuturistic is what's relatively rare, and it'd be absolutely perfect for Infinity. Now, it's still great for Infinity. But just less jarringly so

The old one had that Mass Effect styled sleek future look to it. Iiked that. This one seems more gritty and grimdark styled. While it looks good, it isn't quite what I was hoping for.

Either way, this thing was going to be a resin/metal hybrid kit, right? Were those tanks intended to be in the KS as well?

 Killionaire wrote:
This one looks really good. But I liked the old one better. Hyperfuturistic is what's relatively rare, and it'd be absolutely perfect for Infinity. Now, it's still great for Infinity. But just less jarringly so

Don't infinity factions have somewhat different tech levels? Some seem (from my albeit limited exposure) to be full on bubblegum crisis meets ghost in the shell while others are braveheart in space with an assault rifle. If so, it may have just switched which faction it is best for.

Did they confirm that they're actually switching to this different version as opposed to making both? I realize that it's not a huge company and may not be able to afford designing/making/stocking both but figured I'd ask.

It does - something a JOTUM T.A.G. can get some cover behind!

 Barzam wrote:
The old one had that Mass Effect styled sleek future look to it. Iiked that. This one seems more gritty and grimdark styled. While it looks good, it isn't quite what I was hoping for.

Either way, this thing was going to be a resin/metal hybrid kit, right? Were those tanks intended to be in the KS as well?

The old one, while it had that "Mass Effect styled sleek future look to it" also looked like it could in no way actually fit a pilot or troops.


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 warboss wrote:

 Killionaire wrote:
This one looks really good. But I liked the old one better. Hyperfuturistic is what's relatively rare, and it'd be absolutely perfect for Infinity. Now, it's still great for Infinity. But just less jarringly so

Don't infinity factions have somewhat different tech levels? Some seem (from my albeit limited exposure) to be full on bubblegum crisis meets ghost in the shell while others are braveheart in space with an assault rifle. If so, it may have just switched which faction it is best for.

Kind of sort of.

Infinity is not like 40k where the only time you see the different factions is on a war footing. The various factions(barring PanOceania and Yu Jing) do a lot of trading between each other. Not every faction can do all the manufacturing for what they want/need.
A notable example is that Ariadna has a pretty tight bond, commercially, with the Nomad Nation and Haqqislam both in terms of arms trading.

Then you have the O-12 and Bureau Aegis, etc who are "observers" and essentially neutral in any major conflict, stepping in when rules are violated and the mercenaries...

TL;DR version?
It's not unheard of for people to be using the same equipment despite being different factions.

I think Kroothawk has a point.. the other one definitely had a distinctive style. Not to say this new concept is bad, far from it I think it looks fantastic (and might well replace the Valkyrie as the coolest looking flyer!), but they were definitely distinct from each other.

As Kanluwen says, you can imagine the new one with a squad of troops in the back of it, not so much the other one. But, perhaps there is room for both (with the sleeker version being anything from some kind of 'hunter killer' style pilotless drone, or one man vehicle, and this one as the more conventional troop transport?!

So..I'm saying I hope they will release both!

I much prefer the first one.

wasn't paying attention to where i was posting, my bad guys.

sorry, was doinmg about 5 things at once

Hey, stupid question here, but why are we assuming these are actually the same vehicle evolving?

The first one is tagged as a "Harrier", and the second one a "Grendal". Is it possible these are 2 totally different vehicles for different factions?


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 Sgt.Roadkill wrote:
What happened to them phasing crap like this out? Have I just been playing this game so long I am seeing the 3rd ed micro codex comeback..... just without the small price tag.

this is crap. if they wanted something like this they should have done a new craftworld codex and spread the love a bit and it may have been worth the price.

lolwut

Mmm very nice!

 Ouze wrote:
Hey, stupid question here, but why are we assuming these are actually the same vehicle evolving?

The first one is tagged as a "Harrier", and the second one a "Grendal". Is it possible these are 2 totally different vehicles for different factions?

You shouldn't, in its universe there are at least 3 distinct technology levels very high tech, high tech and near future tech, the first craft must be GOT and the later must be from the Russian faction so the very high tech and the near future tech.

 Ouze wrote:
Hey, stupid question here, but why are we assuming these are actually the same vehicle evolving?

The first one is tagged as a "Harrier", and the second one a "Grendal". Is it possible these are 2 totally different vehicles for different factions?


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 Sgt.Roadkill wrote:
What happened to them phasing crap like this out? Have I just been playing this game so long I am seeing the 3rd ed micro codex comeback..... just without the small price tag.

this is crap. if they wanted something like this they should have done a new craftworld codex and spread the love a bit and it may have been worth the price.

lolwut

hahaha..

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Hey, stupid question here, but why are we assuming these are actually the same vehicle evolving?

The first one is tagged as a "Harrier", and the second one a "Grendal". Is it possible these are 2 totally different vehicles for different factions?

You shouldn't, in its universe there are at least 3 distinct technology levels very high tech, high tech and near future tech, the first craft must be GOT and the later must be from the Russian faction so the very high tech and the near future tech.

yeah from what i remember the kickstarter is going to be for a few large models like the dropships and tanks and for smaller vehicals and troops . the grendal must be from the english faction due to the name and the st georges flags on it .

Good point forgot about the flags.

I see the new concept as near future sci-fi and the original as far future sci-fi. I much prefer far future sci-fi then near future (though still like the new, just not as much as the old).

Prefer the first one, as it's so tough to find cool sleek sci-fi stuff, but like both.

From what I gather from Antenocitis' blog and facebook page, the Grendel is a different model.

And it's a good thing, since I'm aiming for a TL2 look to my generic 28mm force, and the Harrier looked a bit too advanced.

Kan, don't be so negative. Since when did size restrictions of transport vehicles become realistic in 40K

I'd assumed that the troops fitted into the 'box' carried under/inset into the hull, see the box superimposed on the outline drawing.

Cheers

Andrew

The Harrier would look great being fielded by my Deadzone Enforcers. Was it ever mentioned what material these ships and tanks would be in? I'm assuming they'll be resin and metal like the other vehicles, but I'm just wondering if there's been any confirmation.

I hope these are two different drop ship designs. If so, I'll be in for both. The obvious Valkyrie alternative and the other as something for myTau

I really hope they do both drop ship designs, and in 15mm.

I'm collecting for a 'district 10' game using gruntz, return of the prawns.

first one will do great for prawn dropships and could up-gun it with paulson design weapons

second one would make a great MNU first reaction batallion advanced dropship (reverse engineered tech or whatever)

I'm on the lookout for some low tech 15mm power armour for them now, maybe G.O.T can come thru for me ;-)

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
From what I gather from Antenocitis' blog and facebook page, the Grendel is a different model.

And it's a good thing, since I'm aiming for a TL2 look to my generic 28mm force, and the Harrier looked a bit too advanced.

Indeed, especially as the Antenocitis Workshop website quotes this...

A “little” teaser for you all here with another Dropship that we have obtained the rights to produce from the OD Shaun Mooney from http://vulcanarms.blogspot.co.uk/

I added the bold and italics...

i have to say the old one looks way better


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also anyone heard anything about a date for the KS?

some background info posted on the blog today.

The United Kingdom & United Kingdoms (UK & UKS)

Languages: Official: English. Common: English, French, Irish, Scottish, Gaelic, Welsh, Cornish.

Population: 423 million

Ethnic groups: 53% White, 22% Mixed, 9% South Asian, 12% Black, 1.5% Chinese, 2.5% other.

Capital: London, Earth (ISS). Westminster, (Avalon)

Government: Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy

Major Exo-Planets: Avalon, Prydain, Albion,

Moons: 7(H), 145(NH)

Stones: 92

Orbitals: 3,567

Docks: 7

Registered Habitats: 307

Technology Quotient Range: 6.8 – 13.1



“Humanity consists of two clearly divided groups; the British and the ‘Foreigners’. One group consists of less than 500 million people; the other many, many, many billions. For the British the latter group does not really count.” – Argentine Senator

he UK & the UKS are an unusual and complicated political entity whose origins and outlook within and upon the Technosphere stem directly from its troubled history prior to Intervention.

Unlike the NRF the Earth-Nation part of the UKS (the United Kingdom) is not the governing power of the political Technosphere part of the UKS (the UKS political Group).

In essence the United Kingdom (on Earth) is a fully independent and entirely separate entity to that of the United Kingdoms (note the “s” at the end) within the Technosphere, only directly linked through the UK Monarchy itself with the individual planets and moons being “Fully Independent”. (Whilst this is, in reality, somewhat of a political myth; it is worth looking at the separate parts in isolation before considering them as a whole):

Earth:

The full name of the United Kingdom is the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Protectorates of Free-France and Antarctica”.

The United Kingdom had an extremely troubled existence prior to Intervention. Almost from the moment that it (finally) agreed to become a fully integrated part of Federal Europe its’ fortunes plummeted from that of a major nation to that of a pariah state; soon to be expelled from Federal Europe and even, eventually, expelled from the UN; distrusted and despised by many countries in the world and an economic wreck, riven by urban rioting and an inability to feed its population.

Its subsequent rapid and unexpected return to major power status, and thence to super-power status was completely unforeseen , some would say “unforeseeable”, and, in terms of ‘The Conspiracy’, highly dubious. (Whilst the history of the UK is highlighted elsewhere it is always worth remembering that of all the nations of Earth the UK is the one held most highly suspect and which has benefited the most from both AI and MIND intervention.)




“The reason the sun never set upon the British Empire was because not even God would trust the British in the dark” – Unknown



The UK is a military powerhouse on Earth, its huge military machine largely funded by the vast wealth it has accrued from its Bio-mite Industry and particularly the life-extending “Prolong’ biomite. Subsequently it has also generated a large industrial base in genetics, military equipment, high-tech components and cyber-warfare.

However, it also has substantial reserves of gas and oil via its various overseas territories and long-term sustainable fisheries in the South Atlantic. It is once again a nuclear nation and also has two of the five AIs ever produced by humanity within its domain, including the first ever AI produced by mankind, affectionately known as “Hal”.

The UK holds “Protectorate” status over the Old-Earth (OE) nations of France (now Free-France) and Antarctica (Governed from Stanley in the Falklands Islands). Both were gained following military interventions in those respective areas “at the request of their national legislative assemblies” but both of which are contested by Earth Gov, The Brazilian Empire and Federal Europe.

Free-France and Antarctica both have substantial UK forces stationed in them, although the numbers in France had until recently been decreasing. However, with the current military build-up by Federal Europe Army forces, UK units have once again been taking up positions along the borders with the Federals. Similarly tensions with the Brazilian Empire have initiated a build-up of forces in the South Atlantic that may initiate a third Antarctic War.

Although there has been a steady decline in the population of the UK on Earth, mostly through emigration to the Technosphere, the UK is still a small landmass with a crowded population exacerbated by the ever-increasing areas that are being returned to its “natural” state by various “ecological” groups, resulting in key cities becoming ever larger as rural citizens are displaced to urban areas, those fast approaching “super-city” status. Whilst the standards of living in these areas are, on average, higher than at any point in the UKs History, there remains a lot of contention over the ever-increasing restrictions of access to rural areas and the forced movement of “un-ecological” communities into urban enclosures. The most common complaint from the urban population being that the UK is being transformed into a medieval theme-park to which they are not allowed access.

The UK has the highest ratio of armed forces per capita of any major Earth nation and is once again the dominant naval force on the planetary surface, with no less than 9 surface fleets based around super-carrier battle groups and 2 MOBs, both currently based in Antarctic waters.
Its air and land forces are probably the best trained and certainly the best equipped on Earth and the UK has maintained its very high ratio of troops-per-capita that was created during its troubled years prior to Intervention.

The UK was one of the first nations to enforce biometric and genetic grading within its population and most of those eligible (for genetic reasons) to emigrate to the Technosphere have already done so. The route too off-world colonisation was not closed though: anybody who had served their “5 & 25” of military service (including at least 3 active tours) is entitled to apply for emigration to any of the UKS off-world Habitats. It also confers open-access to jobs within the sphere of the ISS (Independent Sol System) where the UK has significant Stoner populations, Orbitals and zero-G industry. Other nations and habitats are also permanently seeking ex-military forces for security details and the UK has the highest numbers of private security firms on earth.
This “service guarantees citizenship” approach is much derided abroad but very popular within the UK as it provides those who pass into military service automatic access to ‘Prolong’ – an average 25 year service contract is therefore abrogated to 5-years aging: a 20 year-old soldier will server for 25 years ‘actual’, de-mobbing at the physical age of 25. Those with good service records become entitled to discounted Prolong, state-pension access and the right to apply for off-world emigration regardless of their genetic assay.

The United Kingdoms political position on Earth through is somewhat fragile in so far as it technically remains at war with both Federal Europe as well as what was once UNASUR (and is best known now as the “Brazilian Empire”); the former due to its military presence in France and the latter over the long-term sovereignty dispute over the Falklands and, more recently, its military control of Antarctica and its surrounding resources.

The UK is also regarded, by many people on Earth in particular, as the nation most likely involved in some nefarious fashion with “The Conspiracy” and the rise to power of the Minds and GOTA. In addition to these reasons a resurgent Unified States of America, (rapidly developing into a political, economic and militarily force to be reckoned with), is on the brink of declaring war with the UK because of the British support of the American Legion and the granting of free-hold landmasses on two of its habitable planets to the American Legion.

It is likely that the more convinced Earth-Gov becomes that GOTA will not interfere in ISS affairs the more likely it is that the UK will find itself in a shooting war with, possibly, the USA, Federal Europe and UNASUR/BE and possibly all three all at the same time. Many regard this as a questionable military position for the UK despite its large and powerful forces and the risk of defeat-in-detail looms large for the British should the worst transpire.
As a result the hawks amongst the United Kingdom government have been arguing for pre-emptive strikes against the military of all three organisations whilst at the same time there is a small but rapidly growing grass-roots lobby who insist that the UK should surrender all contacts with the UKS and join Earth-Gov, both to avoid a major conflict that they may not win, and to show that the “remnants” of the UK side with Earth-Gov and the ISS, rather than continuing to support the UKS now that emigration Off-World is slowing to little more than a trickle: those left in the UK Super-Cities feeling ever more abandoned and disillusioned. As a result parties such as “Humanity First” and “Earth First” are gaining major support within the UK.


Technosphere:

The United Kingdoms (UKS) is an immensely powerful political faction comprising of the ‘Kingdoms’ of the United Kingdom and its protectorates of France and Antarctica, the Principalities of Alban and Loegyr (H-Class moons) and the three major exo-planetary Kingdoms of Prydain, Albion and Avalon. It also has lease-hold on another 19 potentially habitable planetary bodies and moons, 5 of which are now entering colonisation confirmation stages.

Within the Technosphere the UKS is regarded as a major power despite its relatively small population. This is down to its ownership of three of the most habitable planets within the existing Technosphere that have provided virtually trouble-free environments for UK colonists to expand rapidly into, and have produced a population boom that is unconstrained by available habitable land area or sustainability; the UKS has by far the largest habitable areas in which to expand (even taking into account extended life-spans).

UKS citizens have the highest HDI of any Polity and enjoy the lowest costs and easiest access to ‘Prolong’ resulting in an ever lengthening life-expectancy. UKS Habitats also have the highest TQ ratings and most developed societies on the Sentients-Charter scaling’s.

The UKS has major industrial bases in Medical technologies, drugs manufacturing, Orbital Construction, zero-G industry and spaceship manufacturing with no less than 7 space docks

The “structure” of the UKS however is vague with no laws or constitutions, legal responsibilities or formal ties (other than ethnic origins and Monarchy) to either the UK on Earth or between Habitats within the Technosphere. In fact the only directly tangible ties are that between the Monarchic families upon which all of the UKS’ planets have derived their free-hold lease. Put simply the various Royal families hold the planetary leases at the individual level and it is their familial ties, back to the “senior” Windsor family and High-King Henry that are the main tangible link between the disparate UKS Habitats. There is no overall governing body; each of the habitable bodies being controlled by a variety of governorships working under democratic (on the whole) locally elected Habitat Governments. This appears both archaic and anachronistic and few outside of the UKS understand how the system works or how unified decisions are ever made – other than by direct edict from the High King: something that has never happened and is, in fact, constrained within a still un-codified constitution.

Nevertheless it has proven to be a very stable faction of which many other political entities are envious despite being a living anachronism in an age where the relevance of monarchies seems it’s most pointless. The UKs and UKSs dependence on old institutions though can be directly attributed to High-King Henry and his personal interventions, pre and post-Intervention, and his family’s personal risk and sacrifices during the dark years of the UK when it was at its very lowest.

There can be no doubt that without the sacrifices of Henry and his family the UK as we know it would have ceased to exist and it would have been amalgamated into Federal Europe and faded from history. Since then the prosperity, longevity and life-span of every UK and UKS citizen has steadily improved year after year. The wealth of support from all levels of UK/UKS society toward Henry, a man who through Prolong could live for another 100 years or more, is all-but unshakable and there are very few “Brits” who are not staunch Monarchists.


“The British are irresponsible in the extreme – they created an AI without any controls or cut-outs and it was by sheer luck that it was sane and not a psychotic man-killer that most are.”

The very close ties that UKS members have with GOTA (and the MINDs) leaves much of humanity wary towards the UKS in terms of its long-term goals: British citizens were the most heavily geneered and had the highest numbers militarily-geneered by the BC and MINDS (before such geneering was banned by the Sentients’ Charter) conveniently meaning that “positive dominant inheritable traits” within UKS citizens are at the highest proportions of any social grouping outside of GOTA citizens. Given that this same “heavily geneered” society was then given “the very best” planets and habitable moons has generated an much envy, and animosity, which has built-up particularly back on Earth and the ISS where the British are regarded as elitist, arrogant, racist and anti-human.

The UKS core planets are Crown Dependencies of the UK Monarchy on Earth but do not fall under the jurisdiction of the UK government as each are created with a ‘Primary Habitat’ (political entity) which then gains legal recognition under Technosphere Law as what would once have been regarded as a Sovereign State back pre-Intervention.

This ‘Primary Habitat’ just happens to consist of the required minimum of “50,000 genetically diversified citizens” headed by an off-shoot of the British Monarchy elevated into a new position as King (or Queen) of a fully independent Habitat (‘nation’)…and yet still technically “subservient to the British Crown” through the monarchic system. (A very clever bit of legal side-stepping to keep land under control of a very limited group of people!)

The various “Primary Habitats” own and manage the planetary freeholds, with all Habitat land-grants being given out by them: meaning that each planet controls its own destiny, rather than having to follow the direction of the UK parliament on Earth, the Avalonian Parliament or the High-King.

Similarly there are seven habitable moons which, again, are crown Dependencies however these are “Principalities” allocated to the “new” Scottish and Welsh royal families and both of which follow the above political patterning.

In addition there are some core political groups, both within the Technosphere and on Earth, which are considered “permanent” partners of the UKS as a political body; these are Greater Scandinavia, Antarctica, Free-France (7R), Australia, Canada, the Caribbean Confederacy and the American Legion.

Whilst GOTA is always considered as a separate entity is also very common for GOTA and the UKS to side with each other on many issues, their inter-operation often being called “the special relationship” as was once that of the old USA and UK prior to Intervention, although in this instance knowing who is wagging whose tail is not as easy to determine.

The “real” political clout of the UKS though still originates from its absolute control of the ‘Prolong’ Bio-mite to which the vast majority of humanity, wherever it may be, is, too one degree or another, actively partaking of due to either, or both, reasons of its life-extending capability and its ability to cure many diseases and conditions including most cancers.

Until the UKs monopoly of this Bio-mite is broken it would be a very foolish group to go to war with either the UK or UKS because of the inevitable withdrawal of access to the “drug” that would certainly result. The “big fear” of the UKS though is that disenfranchised segments of the population “grounded” in the United Kingdom on Earth, vote for cessation and join Earth-Gov, in the process of which they continue to supply Prolong even if the UKS say it must be halted. The other alternative, that the UK hands over design of Prolong, or that the UK is conquered and the secret taken by force, is considered highly unlikely.

UKS Military:

The UKS has the largest Cold (space) Navy of any political body, almost two and a half times the size of its closest rival (China) but only one-third the size of the (reported) GOTA fleet strength and maintains the highest TQ level military force in the Technosphere. As the pre-eminent technological power (other than GOTA) it relies heavily upon robocised units with exceptionally few front-line troops (other than in the cold-Navy), robots usually being operated as remotes by cyberised troops at central stations far from any front lines or via Mobile Command & Control platforms behind the front-lines from which robocised units can be commanded.

The UK does, however, maintain a high number of Special Forces troops at the very highest levels of technology and with unprecedented levels of equipment support, foremost of these being the SAS, SBS and SSS. These three groups are widely regarded as being equivalent to GOTA T-PEA forces, even T-DF troops, although some sources claim that their proficiency and numbers are both inflated for PR reasons and that their true capabilities are far lower than that claimed.

The UKS is a major arms exporter and maintains a large Earth-bound military machine via the United Kingdom. The 7th Republic (Free-France) maintains an independent military force that utilises mostly UK equipment and training regimes and which operates and trains regular with UK & UKS forces but is on-paper subservient to British high-command. The Antarctic Protectorate also has its own independent forces including a very substantial naval force on Earth, based from the Falklands, but neither the Republic nor Antarctica have any forces Off-World other than diplomatic protection groups.

Having said that the UKS has now granted leases to both the French 7th Republic and Antarctica to start seeding their own off-world colonies, much to the chagrin of Earth-Gov, and it is inevitable that both will now embark on creating Cold-Navy elements and space troops

I talked to the company. they stated that there will be 4, thats right 4 different drop ships. So they will be make both of the ships seen. I just couldn't get an answerer on when they will start pumping these out.

Please tell me there will be 15mm versions of all of this (and eventually those Komodo suits), because their stuff is perfect for what I have in mind for a new Tomorrow's War army. Just needs to be in the right scale.

they didn't say. But I would think so it seems to be there business model.