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so i have a grudge match coming up against my friend who plays IG. He has mercilessly crushed me on the table more times than i can count, and i would very much like to get a little revenge.

His list usually includes a pair of leman russ tanks with battle cannons and camo netting which sit back and pummel me, two or more heavy weapons teams with lascannons hiding in buildings, commisar yarrik marching up the field with a full squad of ogryns, rattling snipers, and a handful of Vets camping on objectives.

So, with the new Chaos Space Marine Codex, what do you good people of dakka dakka suggest i do to take down the IG?

I think your best bet to deal with those leman russes are good ol' fashioned termicides, and maybe raptorcides. For the ogryns and pretty much anything else I'd go with havocs.

For what you are facing and only against that at 1500 I'd go with...

HQ

Lord - MoN, Sigil of Corruption, Black Mace

Elites

3x Temies - 3x combi-meltas
3x Temies - 3x combi-meltas

Troops

7xPlague Marines - Champion w/power sword
7xPlague Marines - Champion w/power sword, 2x Plasmaguns
7xPlague Marines - Champion w/power sword, 2x Flamers

Fast

5x Raptors - Champ with/meltabomb, 2xmeltaguns

Heavy

6xHavocs, 4xautocannons
7xHavocs, 4xautocannons

Fortification

ADL - Quadgun

Total: 1500

So... the 2 squads of termies and the raptors deepstrike, hopefully behind or at least near the leman russes/heavy teams, burn the meltas to take out the russes then let him worry about 3 units that can totally wreck his backfield on their own. Their lascannons might take some termies out but with the speed of the raptors you should be able to lock one of those heavy weapons fast and the termies go after the other one.

On your side of the table, the 2 havoc squads behind the ADL, gaining 4+ if they get shot on the first rounds from the russes, or the lascannons. you get 12 autocannon shots use them to destroy the ogryns, they wound them on 2 and they can't save should make a quick work of them.

The plagues are going for objectives being T5 and with FnP there isn't much the IG can do about it, their flashlights are pretty much useless, and they get the FnP from lascannon/battle cannon wounds, so still hard cookies.

The lord rides with the rhino plagues, goes after the vets, maybe even the ogryns if the autocannons are having a hard time. The black mace will destroy entire units of vets on its own due to the curse property, and even against ogyns it wounds them on 2's pretty sure it'll take 2-3 down, then the plagues also have the advantage of wounding them on 4s due to plague knifes before they can even hit, and even when they do they need 4s to wound you back.



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Oh, also i think the black maces curse goes around Yarricks special rule, since he is being removed by a test rather than from losing wounds, not sure thou.

^ that list looks good, really good actually, your opponent will most likely go for your havocs right away as those cannons are a very real and terrifying threat, so It'd probably be best for you to put and extra vanilla marines in the front so they die first.

The only other option that might be wonderful for this would be a Heldrake as it would be able to take care of literally everything if it had a baleflamer, High Str for the Ogryns and the Heavy Weapons and can vector strike on the russes if need be and it's a flyer so it'll be harder to hit. Otherwise good luck, may the dark gods smile upon you.

Suicide bikers are a good trick too. 2 melta and a combi melta on a unit is so cheap.

It's also pretty silly how resistant to las fire pm seem to be. If your opponent is investing in a lot of blasts and not de-meching fire pm in a rhino are pretty safe.

Sounds like a drake might help too. Given that he'll have a hard time hitting it with LC heavy weapons teams and torrent flamers don't care much about how far back or in cover their targets are.

Infiltrating things with Huron might help too.

Small packs of spawn are also a really effective way to tie up annoying units and get folks to waste fire.

You could gamble with land raiders. AV14 isn't too afraid of S8 and hopefully you can survive the incoming lascannon shots. Load them with plague marines and melta weapons.

Maybe power mauls instead of power swords on the plague marines. Same price, Ap 4 but +2 strength. And concussive special Rule. Course that's if ya got them.

Looks like I'm the first IG player in here. And this is going to sound odd, and I swear I'm not trying to be mean, but um, how are you losing to this? If you're playing missions from the book you should be crushing him. His list seems to consist of some guardsmen cowering behind a wall, a couple of tanks, and a "I sure hope this does something good because I spent a 3rd of my points on it" Deathstar.

Because unless I'm missing something, your friend has almost nothing that can cross the board to take objectives. Ogryn aren't scoring anytime soon, and unless Yarrick get's lucky and rolls a 1 out of 6 on a warlord chart, he isn't either. So all you have to worry about are some cowardly guardsmen hiding behind a wall.

Without having to tailor your list, all you'd need to do is ensure that his guardsmen are trapped behind the wall and you can win most objective games with an even halfway decent list. Play keepaway with his deathstar, use something cheap that can deepstike in to kill his tanks (AV 14 with a +3 save will never die to anything but deepstrike/assault shenanigans) and laugh at the fact that he brought ratlings, because they're basically a free handicap in your favor.

So yeah, playing the missions, and figuring out a cheap effective way to dust those leman russes would be a smart idea. I suggest deepstrike, as even thouh most of his points are tied up in the ogryn (over 500pts is not a joke) he can still shoot the hell out of anything that he knows is a threat. It also wouldn't hurt to have a way to kill those objective holders behind his wall.

Hope that helps OP! Let us know if you have any other questions!

Thumbs up for IG dude who plays such a funny list and wins.
Yeah, deep strike melta termies or even MoN obliterators.have Despearsed csm scoring units that can't be gibbed with one blast. For scoring.
Maulfiend can will work wonders with it's huge threat range to tarpit his deathstar. position it out of sight behind terrain, then charge the ogrin squad and see your 125 points hold his 600.

I agree 100% with MrMoustaffa.

Have you tried just throwing cultist speed bumps at the "deathstar" unit with yarrick. In fact zombie cultists seem perfect for this use if you plan to take typhus anyways.

Otherwise just kill his token objective capturing units and more or less ignore the pretty tough but very little killy deathstar.

What sort of lists have you been running?

A Heldrake will quite happily dispose of those guardsmen cowering in cover.

Especially if he is deploying them in a nice tidy...lets say "template friendly" gun line.

Nevie wrote:
Maybe power mauls instead of power swords on the plague marines. Same price, Ap 4 but +2 strength. And concussive special Rule. Course that's if ya got them.

Oh yeah, maces > swords when playing IG

Mr.moustaffa, i know, that's what i keep thinking, his list shouldn't work that well. But in 15 games, iv never gotten the first turn, and his luck with the dice is UNBELIEVABLE. The damned Leman Russ's almost never miss, they end up dealing more damage than my army can recover from. Also, i did not think to say this in the original post, I have never played chaos marines against him. I just got this army, previously i was using Tau


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Thank you everybody for the help, it is vastly appreciated, especially you Lord Yayula, that list looks great

 blaze115 wrote:
Mr.moustaffa, i know, that's what i keep thinking, his list shouldn't work that well. But in 15 games, iv never gotten the first turn, and his luck with the dice is UNBELIEVABLE. The damned Leman Russ's almost never miss, they end up dealing more damage than my army can recover from. Also, i did not think to say this in the original post, I have never played chaos marines against him. I just got this army, previously i was using Tau


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Thank you everybody for the help, it is vastly appreciated, especially you Lord Yayula, that list looks great

Ask him to switch dice with you. He could have gotten some weighted ones off the internet.

Iv made him use my dice, but it changed nothing. He has some how gained immense favor with the dice gods

 blaze115 wrote:
so i have a grudge match coming up against my friend who plays IG. He has mercilessly crushed me on the table more times than i can count, and i would very much like to get a little revenge.

His list usually includes a pair of leman russ tanks with battle cannons and camo netting which sit back and pummel me, two or more heavy weapons teams with lascannons hiding in buildings, commisar yarrik marching up the field with a full squad of ogryns, rattling snipers, and a handful of Vets camping on objectives.

So, with the new Chaos Space Marine Codex, what do you good people of dakka dakka suggest i do to take down the IG?

commisar yarrik marching up the field with a full squad of ogryns
commisar yarrik marching up the field with a full squad of ogryns
commisar yarrik marching up the field with a full squad of ogryns
commisar yarrik marching up the field with a full squad of ogryns

My actual face when I read that:


Hahaha, dude I know the Chaos codex sucks pretty badly but you should be having a pretty easy time against that list. Just use a Vindicator or 2 and instant death his Ogryns. Or skirt them with bikes that have melta guns.

In fact, the best thing to do is just ignore the Ogryn deathstar. Throw it a unit of Terminators with the Fearless icon or something.

Again, Iv never played chaos against him. Iv just started this army, previously iv been using Tau

Vindicators. Do you have them?

aaaand also lol

Let us know how you do.....I want you to put the pain on this guy lol

yes please tell us how you did

The guy has been running necrons lately, but next time I fight his guardsmen Il be sure to let you know how I faired

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Looks like I'm the first IG player in here. And this is going to sound odd, and I swear I'm not trying to be mean, but um, how are you losing to this?

Yeah uh, this.

He's camping LRBT's, Holding objectives with stationary vets, bringing Ogryn, Heavy Weapon teams, Ratlings, and Yarrick.

Literally all of that is wrong.