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If a Dark Eldar becomes a craft world Eldar (it can happen as it happens in path of the warrior) how do they put off the soul thirst? and do they get a spirit stone?

Which is the more powerful faction? By this i mean which is the more versatile faction and which one is most likely to out live the other?

If both craft world and dark Eldar were to face off against each other in a straight up fight who would generally win?

Well, they are some good questions, I've never really thought about these honestly.

Eldar are not my forte but I'll give it a whirl and am sure that some learned member of Dakka will correct me.

I think they would be offered a Spirit Stone so long as they abandoned their previous life unless not having a Spirit Stone was some form of punishment given for the Dark Eldars previous actions.

I think for shear military might the Craftworld Eldar would have more power, but regards to outliving the the other who knows. I think the Dark Eldar have it easier but should anything happen to Commoragh, like thtat part of the webway collapse, they would have a big issue.

I think they are pretty balanced when it comes down to individual ability as both have a pretty comparable counterpart if I understand it correctly. Your Dark Eldar citizen would be a Guardian, your Wych would be an aspect warrior etc.

Regarding a straight up fight, like so many other things it comes down to circumstance.

The Dark Eldar codex states that the Dark Eldar have faster reflexes than their craftworld cousins, at the expense of having no Psykers/Farseers of their own. As well, Craftworld Eldar have more firepower; the Avatar, better tanks, etc.

So in an infantry brawl I would say that the DEldar could very well scrape out a victory. In a full out war though; I'd give it to their Craftworld cousins. Craftworld Eldar have basically embarrassed the Imperium every time they try to invade a craftworld by whipping out insane firepower, and ingenious strategies via Farseer predictions and Autarch badassery. The DEldar probably couldn't do the same. The Craftworld Eldar fight wars, and are trained for it. The DEldar are pirates.

BlaxicanX wrote:

So in an infantry brawl I would say that the DEldar could very well scrape out a victory. In a full out war though; I'd give it to their Craftworld cousins. Craftworld Eldar have basically embarrassed the Imperium every time they try to invade a craftworld by whipping out insane firepower, and ingenious strategies via Farseer predictions and Autarch badassery. The DEldar probably couldn't do the same. The Craftworld Eldar fight wars, and are trained for it. The DEldar are pirates.

I was going to mention Idharae being wiped out by the Invaders Chapter but then I noticed that they probably took a pasting after defending Ath-Aelas from a tendril of Hive Fleet Naga.

BlaxicanX wrote:


So in an infantry brawl I would say that the DEldar could very well scrape out a victory. In a full out war though; I'd give it to their Craftworld cousins. Craftworld Eldar have basically embarrassed the Imperium every time they try to invade a craftworld by whipping out insane firepower, and ingenious strategies via Farseer predictions and Autarch badassery. The DEldar probably couldn't do the same. The Craftworld Eldar fight wars, and are trained for it. The DEldar are pirates.

I agree. I've read about the Commoragh Raid, and while it was only thanks to Vect that the Astartes managed to get into Comorragh in the first place, the Dark Eldar couldn't even repel the Astartes, who managed to complete their mission and level High Comorragh - and escape into real space. Think what a full Imperial Expedition (Great Crusade era) would do - a Grand Company's worth of Astartes, enough Guard troops to consolidate and take advantage of a breakthrough, a full fleet to support them, and an entire Titan Legion to deliver the killing blow. Commoragh would be left in ashes.

1.) Soul thirst is a side effect of living in the webway where your soul is constantly drained. Living in a craftworld outside the webway stops that thirst, you just have to change your old habid of torturing everyone as it is no longer needed
2.) Dark Eldar are much more numerous than Craftworld Eldar, and the DE population actually grows while craftworld Eldar population declines. So in the long run, DE get stronger and CW Eldar weaker.
3.) In 6th edition, Eldar and Dark Eldar are battlebrothers. This is a stretch backgroundwise, but they are not the hated enemies like in Warhammer Fantasy, with Harlequin having contact to both factions. So they don't fight on sight. Who would win depends on who meets under what circumstances. Wytch would win against Guardian in close combat, but lose against Ranger in ranged battle.

burnaboy wrote:
If a Dark Eldar becomes a craft world Eldar (it can happen as it happens in path of the warrior) how do they put off the soul thirst? and do they get a spirit stone?

They pull it off through meditation and using the Eldar Paths to satisfy their hedonism/cravings. It's not easy though.

Which is the more powerful faction? By this i mean which is the more versatile faction and which one is most likely to out live the other?

The Dark Eldar. More numerous, not bound by technology taboos/limits, and have many allies (pirates, alien races, warlords, and so on). That being said, the Dark Eldar would have to muster unheard of numbers of resources and cooperate internally to unseen levels to take down even 1 major Craftworld in a conventional assault. They specialize in raiding, not heavy assault.

An Incubus can pull it off, but it's a hard sell at best. I mean he has to slay a few great warriors of the Eldar-kind and then be accepted as their kind. That's not really a good thing, think about it, it would be like a fanatic Taliban-member killing an US-Marine at least and getting to be a part of of the society of USA. That's how abhorrent it is, and the other Dark Eldar is far worse.

As for the more powerful faction? Today the Eldar, they are fading but they are still stronger than the Dark Eldar, but in the long run the Dark Eldar.

Dark Eldar in a straight fight of all things? I don't think they would have a word for it.

 Beaviz81 wrote:


Dark Eldar in a straight fight of all things? I don't think they would have a word for it.

As if the Dark Eldar would ever humble themselves to fight the other factions one-on-one

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:


Dark Eldar in a straight fight of all things? I don't think they would have a word for it.

As if the Dark Eldar would ever humble themselves to fight the other factions one-on-one

Duels are fun, problem is that if i was a Dark Eldar and you were sitting calmly down reading Donald Duck taking a dump on your WC. I would claim it was a duel when I smashed through three doors with a powered glaive and cleaved you in half (sitting on the WC reading DD). Of course I wouldn't tell the detail, but I would claim it to be a duel nevertheless. (This is of course a figment of sick imagination and nothing else).

1) The material world (as stated by the DE codex) drains an Eldar Soul faster than the webway. One of the dark kin brought onto a Craftworld would undoubtedly be given a soul-stone.. otherwise they would face a slow withering death to Slaanesh's predations while locked in a "box" (Craftworld) whose infinity circuit actively tries to hinder them, whose warp spiders flock to the abnormality with intent to destroy, and whose technology is based on an ability that is almost entirely atrophied in Dark Eldar. This would be akin to torture; a thing that I think Farseers would greatly prefer to avoid. Now in order to be accepted onto a Craftworld to begin with I imagine that the dark kin would need to show both true remorse for his or her actions in addition to having a bright future (a thing Farseers would undoubtedly check very closely).

I also think that their first step would probably be onto the Path of the Warrior. As violence and murder is an inherent part of Dark Eldar culture they would first need to discipline and master Khaine's curse before having an opportunity to move on. I also would think, like the book Path of the Warrior, that even with all of that complete they would still have social issues. Even something as small as a Commoraghan accent would probably lead to instant social ostricization.

2a) Define "most versatile". Generally speaking both races are fairly good at solving issues creatively and have a wide plethora of resources available to them. In terms of "outlasting" one another I would give that to the Dark Eldar. Commoragh is nestled deep within the webway and is filled to the teeth with a race that literally lives on murder, torture, and bloodshed. It is an indescribably big industrial and economic powerhouse in the galaxy led by the most megalomaniac individuals to ever prance about (each of which theoretically has access to armies and fleets of varying sizes). Rooting the billions of depraved Eldar from that place would be a work that only the strongest of factions would ever be able to accomplish. Even then.. should everything fall to crap the gates keeping the various realms together would be destroyed before the invaders could get to them. The satellite realms that were not quickly destroyed would all begin to break off and you would go from one huge city to hundreds of small fiefdoms to hunt down.

This is also assuming that Slaanesh would allow the city to fall. I am honestly not convinced She Who Thirsts -wants- the city gone. It is a constant source of soul material to be leeched (even if slowly) while those within do not have particularly bright souls to begin with. Better to sip casually from them, enjoy what they do to the other races, and play cat and mouse with the bright souls of the Craftworld Eldar.

2b) Define "most powerful". The Eldar tend to be far more unified and utilize advanced psychic aptitude to guide the course of any engagement and have access to dedicated military units. Dark Eldar are far less unified and rely on conventional planning. The Eldar would appear to have the upper hand, but keep in mind that each Archon keeps warships and a military stock and that Archons often work with one another to accomplish raids before returning to the city to get back to the backstabbing later. It would really just depend on the situation.

3) Dark Eldar have more physical prowess while Eldar maintain psychic aptitude. One on one the fight would depend on the situation. Militarily, given roughly equal forces, it would probably be a toss up. (Table Top: Eldar knock out Dark Eldar though -- Scatter Lasers are bad JuJu for all Dark Eldar vehicles.)

If a DE gives you a fair fight he's doing something wrong.

If the enemy gets to hit you back, you're not being DE.

Path of the warrior was a very shonky book. I'd not consider it canon even if 40K HAD a fixed canon, which it doesn't

CWE favour maneuverability and firepower, with each unit doing its own specific job. In a conventional war CWE beat DE hands down. DE are ambush predators. It's pretty hard to prosecute a conventional war when your entire army gets their throats cut in the night. If the DE can plan the raid and are the aggressors they tend to win, but fair fights are for chumps.

And for those touting the 'great SM victory' in Commoragh... read the story again, and this time read between the lines

Sure they trashed partially the place, but most of the places they trashed belonged to Vect's rivals Lots of highly unlikely 'miraculously happened' events in there too

I have a couple of questions regarding the Craftworld Eldar, having bought and currently reading Path of the Warrior (after Gaunt's Ghosts: The Saint).

First off, regarding the Craftworld Eldar society - is it really better than Imperial society? At first glance, it looked like a typical utopia of elves, and seemed to justify the Eldar belief in the superiority of their civilization, but for some reason I can't shake the nagging feeling that despite the shiny veneer of a utopia, Craftworld society is just as repressive and stagnant as Imperial society.

Second. are the Eldar really superior to the Humans? Physically and ability-wise yes, but the actions of the Eldar in the novel are all too-similar to Humans. For instance, Korlandril acts like a teen who's been rejected by his crush, Thirianna (who I cannot tell whether or not has feelings for Korlandril) acts like a girl who doesn't know whether or not Korlandril is the friend zone or not, and I swear those Exarchs act and talk like asian martial arts teachers.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
I have a couple of questions regarding the Craftworld Eldar, having bought and currently reading Path of the Warrior (after Gaunt's Ghosts: The Saint).


Second. are the Eldar really superior to the Humans? Physically and ability-wise yes, but the actions of the Eldar in the novel are all too-similar to Humans. For instance, Korlandril acts like a teen who's been rejected by his crush, Thirianna (who I cannot tell whether or not has feelings for Korlandril) acts like a girl who doesn't know whether or not Korlandril is the friend zone or not, and I swear those Exarchs act and talk like asian martial arts teachers.

The novel Farseer has a human being 'possessed' by a dead farseer. The farseer feels dumber and dumber as he gains control of the body.

 Polvilhovoador wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
I have a couple of questions regarding the Craftworld Eldar, having bought and currently reading Path of the Warrior (after Gaunt's Ghosts: The Saint).


Second. are the Eldar really superior to the Humans? Physically and ability-wise yes, but the actions of the Eldar in the novel are all too-similar to Humans. For instance, Korlandril acts like a teen who's been rejected by his crush, Thirianna (who I cannot tell whether or not has feelings for Korlandril) acts like a girl who doesn't know whether or not Korlandril is the friend zone or not, and I swear those Exarchs act and talk like asian martial arts teachers.

The novel Farseer has a human being 'possessed' by a dead farseer. The farseer feels dumber and dumber as he gains control of the body.

Haven't read that novel yet

It could just be due to the lack of psychic abilities and less-refined senses, as if the Eldar were truly superior, then why are their actions so 'Human'?

The Eldar are like humans in appearance but their heart beats faster so have faster reflexes, all Eldar have a certain deggree of acess to the warp and without that they could not operate their weapons but i wonder why in this Farseer novel his spirit stone has no been taken out or that he hasn't died in the dome of the crystal seers.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
I have a couple of questions regarding the Craftworld Eldar, having bought and currently reading Path of the Warrior (after Gaunt's Ghosts: The Saint).

First off, regarding the Craftworld Eldar society - is it really better than Imperial society? At first glance, it looked like a typical utopia of elves, and seemed to justify the Eldar belief in the superiority of their civilization, but for some reason I can't shake the nagging feeling that despite the shiny veneer of a utopia, Craftworld society is just as repressive and stagnant as Imperial society.

Second. are the Eldar really superior to the Humans? Physically and ability-wise yes, but the actions of the Eldar in the novel are all too-similar to Humans. For instance, Korlandril acts like a teen who's been rejected by his crush, Thirianna (who I cannot tell whether or not has feelings for Korlandril) acts like a girl who doesn't know whether or not Korlandril is the friend zone or not, and I swear those Exarchs act and talk like asian martial arts teachers.

Keep in mind that the codex refers to young eldar often having trouble sticking the constraints of Eldar life. They often haven't had time to properly control their emotions and so are bound to do stupid things like angry teenagers.

As for the exarchs all talking like martial arts masters... *sigh* I guess it's just a style of writing.

Migrations between Eldar societies is not uncommon. Craftworlders adopt a "what happens off Craftworld stays off Craftworld" policy for the most part. Alaitoc is a bit more strict, and incidentally this is the setting for the Path books. The other craftworlds are a bit more welcoming. Or some such.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
I have a couple of questions regarding the Craftworld Eldar, having bought and currently reading Path of the Warrior (after Gaunt's Ghosts: The Saint).

First off, regarding the Craftworld Eldar society - is it really better than Imperial society? At first glance, it looked like a typical utopia of elves, and seemed to justify the Eldar belief in the superiority of their civilization, but for some reason I can't shake the nagging feeling that despite the shiny veneer of a utopia, Craftworld society is just as repressive and stagnant as Imperial society.

Second. are the Eldar really superior to the Humans? Physically and ability-wise yes, but the actions of the Eldar in the novel are all too-similar to Humans. For instance, Korlandril acts like a teen who's been rejected by his crush, Thirianna (who I cannot tell whether or not has feelings for Korlandril) acts like a girl who doesn't know whether or not Korlandril is the friend zone or not, and I swear those Exarchs act and talk like asian martial arts teachers.

Eldar society is superior to Human society in that it offers more freedom. As an Eldar, you can go anywhere you want in a Craftworld without worry; you can have any job you desire, at any time, and you can have any physical possession. The Eldar would kill a million xenos to save just you if they were able, and count every Eldar life as priceless. Compared to the Imperium, Eldar society is a paradise.

But on the other hand, the grimdark is still there, because while Eldar society isn't oppressive, it's their own psychological flaws that oppress. All Eldar are basically extremely mentally ill, autistic even, compared to us, and it kind of sucks being one. lol

BlaxicanX wrote:


But on the other hand, the grimdark is still there, because while Eldar society isn't oppressive, it's their own psychological flaws that oppress. All Eldar are basically extremely mentally ill, autistic even, compared to us, and it kind of sucks being one. lol

Huh? What do you mean they're all mentally ill?

BlaxicanX wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
I have a couple of questions regarding the Craftworld Eldar, having bought and currently reading Path of the Warrior (after Gaunt's Ghosts: The Saint).

First off, regarding the Craftworld Eldar society - is it really better than Imperial society? At first glance, it looked like a typical utopia of elves, and seemed to justify the Eldar belief in the superiority of their civilization, but for some reason I can't shake the nagging feeling that despite the shiny veneer of a utopia, Craftworld society is just as repressive and stagnant as Imperial society.

Second. are the Eldar really superior to the Humans? Physically and ability-wise yes, but the actions of the Eldar in the novel are all too-similar to Humans. For instance, Korlandril acts like a teen who's been rejected by his crush, Thirianna (who I cannot tell whether or not has feelings Korlandril) acts like a girl who doesn't know whether or not Korlandril is the friend zone or not, and I swear those Exarchs act and talk like asian martial arts teachers.

Eldar society is superior to Human society in that it offers more freedom. As an Eldar, you can go anywhere you want in a Craftworld without worry; you can have any job you desire, at any time, and you can have any physical possession. The Eldar would kill a million xenos to save just you if they were able, and count every Eldar life as priceless. Compared to the Imperium, Eldar society is a paradise.

But on the other hand, the grimdark is still there, because while Eldar society isn't oppressive, it's their own psychological flaws that oppress. All Eldar are basically extremely mentally ill, autistic even, compared to us, and it kind of sucks being one. lol

Where in the world do you get this kinda statement from? A race that has only been ever presented as mentally superior is now suddenly slowed by logical standards? Where as a group of men who fly around in a spacecraft, chanting to there weapons, dead god and can only speak in a monotone voice repeating the same one liners over and over again are the sharp ones right?

burnaboy wrote:
If a Dark Eldar becomes a craft world Eldar (it can happen as it happens in path of the warrior) how do they put off the soul thirst? and do they get a spirit stone?

Which is the more powerful faction? By this i mean which is the more versatile faction and which one is most likely to out live the other?

If both craft world and dark Eldar were to face off against each other in a straight up fight who would generally win?

For DE to become CWE he would need to adopt a path to devote himself to and stop endulging in pain, torture and pleasure. It would probably take a long adjustment period.



It isn't really laid out but the CWE are scattered about dozens of large crafltworlds and hundreds of smaller ones. They cannot concentrate their forces.

DE all live in the webway, which can be considered a 4th dimential city of immense size. Larger and more populous than any craftworld or human hiveworld. They can travel to and from basically wherever they want in massive numbers. The problem is they are rarely all motivated to go after one thing.

In fluff, the DE make a raid on Mars. If they can get to Mars, in force and cart off valuable relics from the homeworld of the adeptus mechanicus they could probably attack earth. No craftworld could get even close.




In a straight up fight, the DE would probably win. They no doubt have some huge weapons of war stored away in the webway from ages past that they dont bring out for trivial raids and plunder. There are likely more DE than there are CWE as DE clone their own and can rejuvinate their leaders.

 Exergy wrote:


In fluff, the DE make a raid on Mars. If they can get to Mars, in force and cart off valuable relics from the homeworld of the adeptus mechanicus they could probably attack earth. No craftworld could get even close.

I think you're confusing Mars with Verdigris IX...only once has Mars been attacked - and by the Necrons no less. They barely succeeded in landing, and we're ultimately suppressed by Mechanicum forces. If Mars could fight off a Necron raid, I doubt a Dark Eldar raid could pierce the Martian shield.

In a straight up fight, the DE would probably win. They no doubt have some huge weapons of war stored away in the webway from ages past that they dont bring out for trivial raids and plunder. There are likely more DE than there are CWE as DE clone their own and can rejuvinate their leaders.

Tell that to the Necrons.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Polvilhovoador wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
I have a couple of questions regarding the Craftworld Eldar, having bought and currently reading Path of the Warrior (after Gaunt's Ghosts: The Saint).


Second. are the Eldar really superior to the Humans? Physically and ability-wise yes, but the actions of the Eldar in the novel are all too-similar to Humans. For instance, Korlandril acts like a teen who's been rejected by his crush, Thirianna (who I cannot tell whether or not has feelings for Korlandril) acts like a girl who doesn't know whether or not Korlandril is the friend zone or not, and I swear those Exarchs act and talk like asian martial arts teachers.

The novel Farseer has a human being 'possessed' by a dead farseer. The farseer feels dumber and dumber as he gains control of the body.

Haven't read that novel yet

It could just be due to the lack of psychic abilities and less-refined senses, as if the Eldar were truly superior, then why are their actions so 'Human'?

I don't think that is the case, said human was a very powerful psyker himself.

 Polvilhovoador wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Polvilhovoador wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
I have a couple of questions regarding the Craftworld Eldar, having bought and currently reading Path of the Warrior (after Gaunt's Ghosts: The Saint).


Second. are the Eldar really superior to the Humans? Physically and ability-wise yes, but the actions of the Eldar in the novel are all too-similar to Humans. For instance, Korlandril acts like a teen who's been rejected by his crush, Thirianna (who I cannot tell whether or not has feelings for Korlandril) acts like a girl who doesn't know whether or not Korlandril is the friend zone or not, and I swear those Exarchs act and talk like asian martial arts teachers.

The novel Farseer has a human being 'possessed' by a dead farseer. The farseer feels dumber and dumber as he gains control of the body.

Haven't read that novel yet

It could just be due to the lack of psychic abilities and less-refined senses, as if the Eldar were truly superior, then why are their actions so 'Human'?

I don't think that is the case, said human was a very powerful psyker himself.

Human psychic abilities are focused on brute power, as opposed to Eldar, who while lacking raw power (in general) have a greater degree of psychic awareness and refinement compared to Human psykers. Oh well, that's all I can think of, anyway.

Admiral Valerian wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:
So in an infantry brawl I would say that the DEldar could very well scrape out a victory. In a full out war though; I'd give it to their Craftworld cousins. Craftworld Eldar have basically embarrassed the Imperium every time they try to invade a craftworld by whipping out insane firepower, and ingenious strategies via Farseer predictions and Autarch badassery. The DEldar probably couldn't do the same. The Craftworld Eldar fight wars, and are trained for it. The DEldar are pirates.

I agree. I've read about the Commoragh Raid, and while it was only thanks to Vect that the Astartes managed to get into Comorragh in the first place, the Dark Eldar couldn't even repel the Astartes, who managed to complete their mission and level High Comorragh - and escape into real space. Think what a full Imperial Expedition (Great Crusade era) would do - a Grand Company's worth of Astartes, enough Guard troops to consolidate and take advantage of a breakthrough, a full fleet to support them, and an entire Titan Legion to deliver the killing blow. Commoragh would be left in ashes.

What people seem to forget, is this was not long after the fall, and before they developed most of their fancy tech, they were still effectively 'original' Eldar - it was because of this Vect managed to take over and disperse the old ways.

The DE have had over 9000 years to perfect the art of killing since.
'These days' - vect would just drop that particular section of Commoragh out of the webway into non-existence.

Admiral Valerian wrote:I have a couple of questions regarding the Craftworld Eldar, having bought and currently reading Path of the Warrior (after Gaunt's Ghosts: The Saint).

First off, regarding the Craftworld Eldar society - is it really better than Imperial society? At first glance, it looked like a typical utopia of elves, and seemed to justify the Eldar belief in the superiority of their civilization, but for some reason I can't shake the nagging feeling that despite the shiny veneer of a utopia, Craftworld society is just as repressive and stagnant as Imperial society.

Second. are the Eldar really superior to the Humans? Physically and ability-wise yes, but the actions of the Eldar in the novel are all too-similar to Humans. For instance, Korlandril acts like a teen who's been rejected by his crush, Thirianna (who I cannot tell whether or not has feelings for Korlandril) acts like a girl who doesn't know whether or not Korlandril is the friend zone or not, and I swear those Exarchs act and talk like asian martial arts teachers.

This is simply an example of a writer personifying an alien psych too much - it's poor writing and character development when you apply human morals, emotions and actions to a purely alien mind.

Also - Craftworld Eldar society is dying and it knows it.

Exergy wrote:

burnaboy wrote:
If a Dark Eldar becomes a craft world Eldar (it can happen as it happens in path of the warrior) how do they put off the soul thirst? and do they get a spirit stone?

Which is the more powerful faction? By this i mean which is the more versatile faction and which one is most likely to out live the other?

If both craft world and dark Eldar were to face off against each other in a straight up fight who would generally win?

For DE to become CWE he would need to adopt a path to devote himself to and stop endulging in pain, torture and pleasure. It would probably take a long adjustment period.

It isn't really laid out but the CWE are scattered about dozens of large crafltworlds and hundreds of smaller ones. They cannot concentrate their forces.

DE all live in the webway, which can be considered a 4th dimential city of immense size. Larger and more populous than any craftworld or human hiveworld. They can travel to and from basically wherever they want in massive numbers. The problem is they are rarely all motivated to go after one thing.

In fluff, the DE make a raid on Mars. If they can get to Mars, in force and cart off valuable relics from the homeworld of the adeptus mechanicus they could probably attack earth. No craftworld could get even close.

In a straight up fight, the DE would probably win. They no doubt have some huge weapons of war stored away in the webway from ages past that they dont bring out for trivial raids and plunder. There are likely more DE than there are CWE as DE clone their own and can rejuvinate their leaders.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Dark Eldar would be able to step onto Mars or Earth - the problem is, it'd be madness to do so as more than 1-3 of you for a particular task (and even then, it's not a good idea), because of the sheer amount of firepower and defenses on both worlds - even with the lightning raids the DE excel at, when in a matter of seconds the sky can be filled with firepower it's not going to end well.

 Ovion wrote:


Also - Craftworld Eldar society is dying and it knows it.

Not so different from the Imperium then.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Dark Eldar would be able to step onto Mars or Earth - the problem is, it'd be madness to do so as more than 1-3 of you for a particular task (and even then, it's not a good idea), because of the sheer amount of firepower and defenses on both worlds - even with the lightning raids the DE excel at, when in a matter of seconds the sky can be filled with firepower it's not going to end well.

THIS. Can they get to Terra or Mars? Yes. Can they attack either or both worlds? Yes. Can they win? No. Within hours or even minutes, Imperial reinforcements would be homing in like bloodhounds on a wounded rabbit. And that doesn't factor in the sheer strength of the Imperial armies and fleets stationed on both worlds.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Ovion wrote:


Also - Craftworld Eldar society is dying and it knows it.

Not so different from the Imperium then.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Dark Eldar would be able to step onto Mars or Earth - the problem is, it'd be madness to do so as more than 1-3 of you for a particular task (and even then, it's not a good idea), because of the sheer amount of firepower and defenses on both worlds - even with the lightning raids the DE excel at, when in a matter of seconds the sky can be filled with firepower it's not going to end well.

THIS. Can they get to Terra or Mars? Yes. Can they attack either or both worlds? Yes. Can they win? No. Within hours or even minutes, Imperial reinforcements would be homing in like bloodhounds on a wounded rabbit. And that doesn't factor in the sheer strength of the Imperial armies and fleets stationed on both worlds.

going to have to find the fluff. I believe it was in the first DE codex. As I recall it was a raid launched from a webway portal that lasted less than 10 minutes, before the largest and most numerous defense could be brought to bear.

The defense of mars and terra are set up to protect against CSM and renegades. No amount of soldiers can completely protect you from super advanced smash and grabs.

 Exergy wrote:


The defense of mars and terra are set up to protect against CSM and renegades. No amount of soldiers can completely protect you from super advanced smash and grabs.

Breaking into the vaults of the Imperial Palace would be suicide. Breaking into the Martian STC Labyrinth, even more so.