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i know this sounds like a horrible idea and it may be a bad one but ive had success with it and it was fun. i took a ghost arc for a set of warriors then stuck the lych guard and nemesnor or what ever his name is (dont have my codex in front of me) into the ghost arc gave it stealth went 12" flatted it out 12" had 3 up cover next turn move 6 get out 6 assault and let the war scyths do what they do best

nightsorrow wrote:
i know this sounds like a horrible idea and it may be a bad one but ive had success with it and it was fun. i took a ghost arc for a set of warriors then stuck the lych guard and nemesnor or what ever his name is (dont have my codex in front of me) into the ghost arc gave it stealth went 12" flatted it out 12" had 3 up cover next turn move 6 get out 6 assault and let the war scyths do what they do best

Well then you cheated. Though I am sure un-intentionally but ghost arks can't carry lytchguard only carry warriors, lords, overlords, crypteks and special characters. It's said under transport of the ghost ark page in the codex. If you could do this then lytchguard would be viable as it would effectively give them an assault transport. Pretty much the only unit that can "jack" a ghost ark is a royal court.

So, you either way, deep striking wraiths, or lychguard, can get a turn 3 assault at earliest, or if you are gutsy, a turn 2 assault with the Lychguard
Wraiths will get a turn 2-3 assault footslogging
There is no difference, However, i dare say, with power swords, Lychguard are better at killing MEQ

Back in 5th I played them with Trazyn, and a Veiltek. Rather expensive, but they were good for getting behind enemy lines and attracting fire away from the rest bulk of the army, and Trazyn could score. I don't see any reason this can't work in 6th.

Simple res orb math hammer.

Cost of res orb*6=180

Once a unit breaks 180 points the res orb should pay for it's cost baring a sweeping advance which is an unlikely fate for lychguard. Sword & board + royal court + overlord is going to break 180 twofold or threefold if it's a large squad. It seems really silly to me to not put a res orb in a 360 point squad.

 schadenfreude wrote:
Simple res orb math hammer.

Cost of res orb*6=180

Once a unit breaks 180 points the res orb should pay for it's cost baring a sweeping advance which is an unlikely fate for lychguard. Sword & board + royal court + overlord is going to break 180 twofold or threefold if it's a large squad. It seems really silly to me to not put a res orb in a 360 point squad.

Yep for the res.orb to make its points back in sword & board guard you only need to take 4 RP since they cost so much per model. And seeing as they are a large fire magnet, at least 4 will get downed at some point (you just got to hope it's not the whole unit in the same turn).

Along with a 2+ save to soak other shots, and look out sirs, you have a tough unit.
Add res orb for lulz

x7 Lychguard 315
Obyron 160
Lord w/ warscythe, orb, mss 90

=565 points of teleporting come at me bro, there isn't a unit in the game that can take a charge from it.

Pros
+Cant be tarpitted, as Ghostwalk lets them leave that if they desire.
+2 armor saves, with LOS for high AP weapons (deflecting)
+ (4+ (max 6) + 3 warscythe attacks on the charge at strength 7, with 21 str 5 ap 3)
+ majority toughness is t5
+Rocks at challenges
+get up 1/2 of the time when downed

Cons
- Expensive, D-lord+ x6 wraiths is 400 points as I run them
- Not fearless, normally not an issue anyway
- Subject to mishaps if you roll badly

Thoughts?

I just recently got 2 boxes of these guys, Zandrekh, and Obryon.

I face a lot of MC's, Armored Companys, and Terminators so i was inclined to give them warscythes.

What i do is run 5 and Obryon in one Scythe, then Zandrekh and another 5 in another Scythe, i've ran this twice against my friends footdar list who runs 3 wraithlords and the avater

Both times only the avatar survived because i avoided him and annihilated the lords

I'm happy with them for sure! But i quess it depends on your meta

Did they FAQ ghostwalk to take the unit with him? I was under the impression that if he used his ghostwalk mantle he left his unit a behind as well.

 iGuy91 wrote:

x7 Lychguard 315
Obyron 160
Lord w/ warscythe, orb, mss 90

=565 points of teleporting come at me bro, there isn't a unit in the game that can take a charge from it.
Pros
+Cant be tarpitted, as Ghostwalk lets them leave that if they desire.
+2 armor saves, with LOS for high AP weapons (deflecting)
+ (4+ (max 6) + 3 warscythe attacks on the charge at strength 7, with 21 str 5 ap 3)
+ majority toughness is t5
+Rocks at challenges
+get up 1/2 of the time when downed

Thoughts?

There are many units that can take a charge from it and live. There are quiet a few that can win.
Tooled Archon(PGL, Shadowfield, Combat Drugs, Huskblade, Soul Trap)
10 Incubi with klavex, with MA and OS
2 Haemi with destructor and venom blade

costs 50 points less and will rock your unit. Can take the charge, and grind it out. Alternatively if it gets the charge, will vaporize your unit.

Forgetting the fact that the str 7 will insta-kill any eldar infantry it wounds, along with the str 7 shooting i'd pile into that unit beforehand. i'd take those odds. When was the last time you ran that unit? I didnt think so.
I don't run lychguard against other assault units if i can help it, i run them against heavy weapons units and ranged units, because they are easy to mulch. Given that unit was on the field, i would deploy on the other side of the formation, and let the shooting deal with that deathstar, as it should

 iGuy91 wrote:

I don't run lychguard against other assault units if i can help it, i run them against heavy weapons units and ranged units, because they are easy to mulch. Given that unit was on the field, i would deploy on the other side of the formation, and let the shooting deal with that deathstar, as it should

Obviously that is the best way to deal with any deathstar, especially your 600 point lychguard beast. All those points, no ++ save, and mostly 3+ saves going around. Plasma would eat it up.

 iGuy91 wrote:

Forgetting the fact that the str 7 will insta-kill any eldar infantry it wounds, along with the str 7 shooting i'd pile into that unit beforehand. i'd take those odds. When was the last time you ran that unit? I didnt think so.

ID doesnt matter against 1 wound models. Your statement was about a unit that could survive a charge from your 600 point uberstar, not what could survive the charge of the uberstar after it was softenend up by another 600 points of shooty stuff.

I dont often run the full 10 man unit with klavex, archon and 2 haemis very often. It requires a tantalus to move around the board. But I often run smaller versions, which would still do well against your lychguard star for a lot less. Consider if it got the charge off, it could completely wipe it out before it struck. But I know, you cannot count on the FC or attack bonus.

 Exergy wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:

I don't run lychguard against other assault units if i can help it, i run them against heavy weapons units and ranged units, because they are easy to mulch. Given that unit was on the field, i would deploy on the other side of the formation, and let the shooting deal with that deathstar, as it should

Obviously that is the best way to deal with any deathstar, especially your 600 point lychguard beast. All those points, no ++ save, and mostly 3+ saves going around. Plasma would eat it up.

 iGuy91 wrote:

Forgetting the fact that the str 7 will insta-kill any eldar infantry it wounds, along with the str 7 shooting i'd pile into that unit beforehand. i'd take those odds. When was the last time you ran that unit? I didnt think so.

ID doesnt matter against 1 wound models. Your statement was about a unit that could survive a charge from your 600 point uberstar, not what could survive the charge of the uberstar after it was softenend up by another 600 points of shooty stuff.

I dont often run the full 10 man unit with klavex, archon and 2 haemis very often. It requires a tantalus to move around the board. But I often run smaller versions, which would still do well against your lychguard star for a lot less. Consider if it got the charge off, it could completely wipe it out before it struck. But I know, you cannot count on the FC or attack bonus.

(I was assuming that the Archons were multi-wound, I rarely play DE)
All the Lychguard have invulns, they're fairly safe from plasma fire, also considering they deflect your plasma back at you if you are danger close as intended, i've killed quite a few long fangs ect with those bounced shots.
This is fair, we aren't talking shooting, and I wont bring that up again
Perhaps i should revise my statement. None of a Lychguard's intended targets should survive their assault, having them focus on sweeping multiple shooting units as opposed to tanking an assault unit is how I use them, and they've usually been effective is all I am trying to say.

 iGuy91 wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:

I don't run lychguard against other assault units if i can help it, i run them against heavy weapons units and ranged units, because they are easy to mulch. Given that unit was on the field, i would deploy on the other side of the formation, and let the shooting deal with that deathstar, as it should

Obviously that is the best way to deal with any deathstar, especially your 600 point lychguard beast. All those points, no ++ save, and mostly 3+ saves going around. Plasma would eat it up.

 iGuy91 wrote:

Forgetting the fact that the str 7 will insta-kill any eldar infantry it wounds, along with the str 7 shooting i'd pile into that unit beforehand. i'd take those odds. When was the last time you ran that unit? I didnt think so.

ID doesnt matter against 1 wound models. Your statement was about a unit that could survive a charge from your 600 point uberstar, not what could survive the charge of the uberstar after it was softenend up by another 600 points of shooty stuff.

I dont often run the full 10 man unit with klavex, archon and 2 haemis very often. It requires a tantalus to move around the board. But I often run smaller versions, which would still do well against your lychguard star for a lot less. Consider if it got the charge off, it could completely wipe it out before it struck. But I know, you cannot count on the FC or attack bonus.

(I was assuming that the Archons were multi-wound, I rarely play DE)
All the Lychguard have invulns, they're fairly safe from plasma fire, also considering they deflect your plasma back at you if you are danger close as intended, i've killed quite a few long fangs ect with those bounced shots.
This is fair, we aren't talking shooting, and I wont bring that up again
Perhaps i should revise my statement. None of a Lychguard's intended targets should survive their assault, having them focus on sweeping multiple shooting units as opposed to tanking an assault unit is how I use them, and they've usually been effective is all I am trying to say.

the archon is multiwounded. But he rocks a 2++, the haemis are 2 wounds, but T4.
You said the lychguard had warsythes, not sword and board, so no invul and no deflection.

Another unit neither one of these units can charge is 9 flamers. Over watch would kill them both.

 Exergy wrote:

Another unit neither one of these units can charge is 9 flamers. Over watch would kill them both.

Now I'm not advocating lytchguard, I think there terrible but sword and board guard charging 9 flamers would be very interesting as almost as many flamers would die to overwatch as lytchguard because of the shields bouncing the flames back. Lets see 9 flamers would be 18 overwatch hits average, which is ( now im not sure the str of it so lets just say its 5) 9 wounds which is 4/5 dead/saved, meaning 4/5 hits back, so about 2/3 wounds which is about 2 failed 5++ saves. Then after the assault phase roughly 2 lytchguard would get back up meaning the overwatch would kill about 2 flamers and about 2 lytchguard.

 Exergy wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:

I don't run lychguard against other assault units if i can help it, i run them against heavy weapons units and ranged units, because they are easy to mulch. Given that unit was on the field, i would deploy on the other side of the formation, and let the shooting deal with that deathstar, as it should

Obviously that is the best way to deal with any deathstar, especially your 600 point lychguard beast. All those points, no ++ save, and mostly 3+ saves going around. Plasma would eat it up.

 iGuy91 wrote:

Forgetting the fact that the str 7 will insta-kill any eldar infantry it wounds, along with the str 7 shooting i'd pile into that unit beforehand. i'd take those odds. When was the last time you ran that unit? I didnt think so.

ID doesnt matter against 1 wound models. Your statement was about a unit that could survive a charge from your 600 point uberstar, not what could survive the charge of the uberstar after it was softenend up by another 600 points of shooty stuff.

I dont often run the full 10 man unit with klavex, archon and 2 haemis very often. It requires a tantalus to move around the board. But I often run smaller versions, which would still do well against your lychguard star for a lot less. Consider if it got the charge off, it could completely wipe it out before it struck. But I know, you cannot count on the FC or attack bonus.

(I was assuming that the Archons were multi-wound, I rarely play DE)
All the Lychguard have invulns, they're fairly safe from plasma fire, also considering they deflect your plasma back at you if you are danger close as intended, i've killed quite a few long fangs ect with those bounced shots.
This is fair, we aren't talking shooting, and I wont bring that up again
Perhaps i should revise my statement. None of a Lychguard's intended targets should survive their assault, having them focus on sweeping multiple shooting units as opposed to tanking an assault unit is how I use them, and they've usually been effective is all I am trying to say.

the archon is multiwounded. But he rocks a 2++, the haemis are 2 wounds, but T4.
You said the lychguard had warsythes, not sword and board, so no invul and no deflection.

Another unit neither one of these units can charge is 9 flamers. Over watch would kill them both.

I wrote this
+ (4+ (max 6) + 3 warscythe attacks on the charge at strength 7, with 21 str 5 ap 3) <---last part would be the power swords
Wasn't terribly clear, thats my bad.
Yeah....lets never charge flamers ever. with anything haha

I still stand by my reasoning that lychguard can be useful, i've only had them fail me once, and that was the first game I played against wraiths, and that was last edition.

Before the 6th Ed, before Hyperphase Swords were FAQ'd to AP3, I threw Sword&Board 'Guard with the Cheesey Combat Overlord against Abaddon and his possey of Jazzhand Nators.

Without fail, they slew each of the five Termies, and several times they took abaddon out as well.

Yea at the end of fifth I had an awesome dual deathstar with two five man sword and boards units each with an IC, a ChronoTek, and a VeilTek. They owned. But now.. not so much.

10 x Lychguard
- Sword and Board
- Nightscythe
1 x Necron Overlord
- Usual kit
- Resurrection Orb
1 x Cryptek
- Chronomatron

Makes for one seriously tough unit.

But I find generally that Lychguard are too expensive to use in any game under 2000 points. I wish this wasn't the case as I do enjoy using them when I can.