13% of UK residants now foreign born

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**Testify**

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The number of foreign-born residents in England and Wales has risen by nearly three million since 2001 to 7.5 million people, the 2011 census shows.

That means about one in eight - 13% - of residents were born outside the UK.

The most common birthplaces outside the UK for residents are India, Poland and Pakistan. The number of ethnic white British people is down to 80%.

London has become the first region where white British people have become a minority.

Some 45% (3.7 million) of people in the capital described themselves as white British, down from 58% (4.3 million) in 2001.

The Office for National Statistics said the findings showed a "diverse" and "changing" picture.

More than half the rise in the population of England and Wales was due to migration.

Alp Mehmet, from Migration Watch, said the figures showed "how absolutely essential it is that we bring immigration under control".

He told BBC Radio 4's World at One that society must consider "the housing that's going to be needed, the schools that are going to be needed, the roads".

If people wanted "new arrivals" to be integrated, "then for goodness sake we can't have them arriving at this sort of scale", he added.

But Sunder Katwala, director of British Future - an independent think tank on migration - said people had "an absolute moral responsibility to make our society work as a shared society".

Guy Goodwin, ONS: "Census shows diverse population."

"The question of do you want this to happen or don't you want this to happen implies that you've got a choice and you could say 'let's not have any diversity'," he told the BBC News website.

"This is who we are - it's inevitable."

Guy Goodwin, from the Office of National Statistics, told BBC News: "It's a really changing picture so the 2011 census population will go down as a diverse population compared with 2001."

How do UK posters feel about this? I don't find it surprising in the slightest, though the figure is closer 40% in cities and 5% in more rural areas.

**Cheesecat**

I don't see why this would be an issue most high income countries depend on immigrants both economically and for population sustainability.

**Medium of Death**

The sheer volume over a ten year period is insane.

The impact on the public sector is going to be phenomenal...

**Cheesecat**

Well I guess there's a few downsides like if you get so many immigrants that your country becomes overpopulated.

**Orlanth**

Medium of Death wrote:
The sheer volume over a ten year period is insane.

The impact on the public sector is going to be phenomenal...

Not insane to New Labour, but very sane indeed. Itsonly insane if you look at the national interest, which is a distant second to party political interest.

Open the floodgates to reconfigure the demogragphics more to their liking.

The UK is heavily overpopulated, just recently the government announced plans to rip up more green belt land to build new satellite estates in vast numbers.

Labour wants to go evern further, suprise, suprise.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/9578312/Ed-Balls-promises-to-build-100000-affordable-homes-with-4G-windfall.html

**KalashnikovMarine**

Gotta be putting a strain on the NHS those numbers are pretty crazy.

**AustonT**

Something something BNP, something something.

**sebster**

In the words of the immortal Jack Donaghy;

"Diversity is the engine that drives this country. We are an immigrant nation! The first generation works their fingers to the bone making things, the next generation goes to college and innovates new ideas, the third generation... snowboards and takes improv classes."

**MeanGreenStompa**

The baby boomer generation of the UK will die off in a while, then the population of the country will be in decline again and getting younger.

The population ratio of non-uk born is climbing not simply because there are more people coming into the country, but that the people born in the country aren't reproducing at as high a rate.

**Orlanth**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
The baby boomer generation of the UK will die off in a while, then the population of the country will be in decline again and getting younger.

The population ratio of non-uk born is climbing not simply because there are more people coming into the country, but that the people born in the country aren't reproducing at as high a rate.

This is due to our culture of wealth creation and female empowerment over reducing women to baby producing machines.
in the case of militant Islam outbreeding the whites is not only a phenomena its a stated agenda.

it also helps that many such people are part of the benefits underclass, and it is economically advantageous to the underclass, of any ethnicity, to have lots of children to get more benefits and a bigger home from the local authority. The people who are breeding less are the people with jobs, who aren't even averaging 2.4 kids anymore. They simply can't afford to.

**Captain Fantastic**

Maybe I watch too much Skins, but it seems like everyone gets along alright.

Diversity is my one nagging concern with living in a homogeneous country, like Japan. I'm so used to diversity and multi-ethnic commingling, that I would feel pretty homesick without it. Bullying is practically non existent where I live, possibly as a result of there being no significant majority.

**Testify**

Captain Fantastic wrote:
Maybe I watch too much Skins, but it seems like everyone gets along alright.

Not really. It's a very bizarre feeling watching your culture being displaced from your surroundings.

**sebster**

Orlanth wrote:
This is due to our culture of wealth creation and female empowerment over reducing women to baby producing machines.
in the case of militant Islam outbreeding the whites is not only a phenomena its a stated agenda.

And one of the beautiful things of our culture of wealth creation and female empowerment over reducing women to baby producing machines is that it wins. Every time. People look at it, compare it to their culture, and they change sides. They change sides so fast that within a generation there's barely anyone left with the old beliefs.

It's happened with every generation of migrants that's come in to a developed country. And every generation people have fussed and worried and gotten all scared that this generation of migrants is different and this really is the group that will sneakily take over. And yet it never happens.

The people who are breeding less are the people with jobs, who aren't even averaging 2.4 kids anymore. They simply can't afford to.

You're confusing "can't afford" and "don't want to". They have more money, they could afford more children if that was what they wanted more than anything else. But instead they're choosing other things, bigger houses, nicer cars, more holidays, instead of third and fourth children.

**Cheesecat**

Testify wrote:
Captain Fantastic wrote:
Maybe I watch too much Skins, but it seems like everyone gets along alright.

Not really. It's a very bizarre feeling watching your culture being displaced from your surroundings.

And here I thought culture was a thing that needs to constantly adapt to it's surroundings in order to survive much like natural selection.

**Palindrome**

Personally I really don't care. My wife is also one of the 13%.

Medium of Death wrote:
The impact on the public sector is going to be phenomenal...

As they pay tax its not much of an issue. It will cause some problems in the short term but they would be smoothed out.

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

@OP The title is incorrect, Scotland and Northern Ireland are still a part of the UK, it's not just England and Wales

**Steve steveson**

sebster wrote:

You're confusing "can't afford" and "don't want to". They have more money, they could afford more children if that was what they wanted more than anything else. But instead they're choosing other things, bigger houses, nicer cars, more holidays, instead of third and fourth children.

Whilst i don't agree with much of the stated ideas about how bad imigration is and "this country is going to hell" and I agree with the rest of your post I have to take issue with this. Int he UK housing is a major problem. Young people (i.e. under 40) are often unable to afford a home big enough to raise a family. I am in my mid 30s, between myself and my wife we both eurn well over the national average wage yet we can only afford to live in a 1 bed flat. Hopefully soon we will, after 6 years of very carefull saving, be able to move to a 2 bed terrace house. We own an 11 year old car and have not been on holiday since we went away for a week 6 years ago for our honeymoon. That is the only holiday we have ever had together because we are saving for a house big enough to have at least one child.

At that point we may have one child. By the time we can afford to move to anywhere larger we will be past the age where it is safe or practical to have another child.

Yes, in the past people made a choice to stop having children and have other things. Now in the UK the housing crises has reached a point in many areas where it is a matter of cannot afford.

What gets to people is the fact that new building is constantly blocked by NIMBYs, yet local councils house people in council houses baised on the regulations that say an adult family must have as many bedrooms as people, meaning in many areas people in council housing have better housing than those who own, dispite much lower incomes.

I an not someone who thinks we should throw people out ont he street and they do not deserve decent housing, but that we need to build enough and stop silly reasons for blocking new building.

**Baragash**

As someone whose father and fianceé are not uk-born in principle it doesn't bother me one bit.

The practicalities of ensuring that immigrants have a positive economic and social impact I suspect needs a lot of work.

**Steve steveson**

I think that is a very complex issue on both sides, but more intergration within some sectors of socioty, both for the good of the imagrant and of socioty as a whole, for example insisting on a basic level of English (or Welsh). Equaly we need more exceptance some some areas of imagrants and less paranoia.

Imagrants on the whole are highly economicly active, and the idea of "just comming here for the benefits" is utter rubbish, and shows a complete lack of understanding of the law and the system. Unfortunatly everyone who claims this knows someone who knows a bloke who lives next door who "shows that the system dosn't work coz they get benefits and a flash car and a house and the council are only interested if your a minority" and until we start pushing the facts of imigration more we won't get anywhere.

**Frazzled**

Orlanth wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
The baby boomer generation of the UK will die off in a while, then the population of the country will be in decline again and getting younger.

The population ratio of non-uk born is climbing not simply because there are more people coming into the country, but that the people born in the country aren't reproducing at as high a rate.

This is due to our culture of wealth creation and female empowerment over reducing women to baby producing machines.
in the case of militant Islam outbreeding the whites is not only a phenomena its a stated agenda.

it also helps that many such people are part of the benefits underclass, and it is economically advantageous to the underclass, of any ethnicity, to have lots of children to get more benefits and a bigger home from the local authority. The people who are breeding less are the people with jobs, who aren't even averaging 2.4 kids anymore. They simply can't afford to.

Well, any solution that actively requires having a good time is a solution I am in favor of.

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Testify wrote:
Captain Fantastic wrote:
Maybe I watch too much Skins, but it seems like everyone gets along alright.

Not really. It's a very bizarre feeling watching your culture being displaced from your surroundings.

Tell me about. However, do what frazzled did. Embrace the diversity. Just think of it as creating your own Miss Universe competition. Hurray!

**kamakazepanda**

Well, i'm white other, despite being born here and being as British as you can get. Despite this according to these figures, im foreign, so take these figures with a pinch of salt.

**Da Boss**

My experience of this is that most people only consider someone an "immigrant" if they are not white and english speaking. I was an immigrant in England and most people didn't even realise it, same with the australians and so on on our staff. People would be grousing about "bloody immigrants" and I'd point out that I was one, and they'd say "yeah, but it's not the same!"

Anyway, coming as I do from a country where emigration is the scourge that eats away at our social structure and leaves towns empty of young people and houses vacant in huge numbers, I am a bit bemused by people complaining that others find their country attractive enough to cause net immigration, stimulating the building trade through demand for houses. Believe me, the other end is not good for a country at all.

**Albatross**

Da Boss wrote:
My experience of this is that most people only consider someone an "immigrant" if they are not white and english speaking.

Yes, it's annoying when people make uninformed sweeping generalisations about foreigners, isn't it?

I was an immigrant in England and most people didn't even realise it, same with the australians and so on on our staff. People would be grousing about "bloody immigrants" and I'd point out that I was one, and they'd say "yeah, but it's not the same!"

It isn't the same. You, along, with Australians, Kiwis, Canadians, and Americans, come from an anglophone country that shares many cultural values with the United Kingdom. That isn't the same as coming from Albania or Somalia. The ease of integration for someone from an anglophone country vs. someone who isn't, isn't really comparable. As far as I can tell, the biggest problem people have with immigration isn't generally people entering the country as economic migrants or asylum-seekers per se, it's the fact that so many of you have so little interest in true integration. I find polish supermarkets offensive. I have no particular axe to grind with the Polish people, but if you want to eat Polish food, speak Polish and only hang out with other Poles, feth off back to Poland. That sort of behaviour is basically a huge 'feth you' to the native population - it's tantamount to saying 'We have no interest in your customs, your culture, or your country. We're just here for the money.' That's what annoys people. It cuts both ways though - I witnessed the British, Irish, Germans and Dutch doing exactly the same thing when I lived in Spain. I, on the other hand, shopped in Spanish shops, ate in Spanish restaurants, drank Spanish beer in Spanish bars, and made an effort to speak Spanish everywhere apart from inside my apartment. That's good immigration.

**Kilkrazy**

Da Boss wrote:
My experience of this is that most people only consider someone an "immigrant" if they are not white and english speaking. I was an immigrant in England and most people didn't even realise it, same with the australians and so on on our staff. People would be grousing about "bloody immigrants" and I'd point out that I was one, and they'd say "yeah, but it's not the same!"

Anyway, coming as I do from a country where emigration is the scourge that eats away at our social structure and leaves towns empty of young people and houses vacant in huge numbers, I am a bit bemused by people complaining that others find their country attractive enough to cause net immigration, stimulating the building trade through demand for houses. Believe me, the other end is not good for a country at all.

That of course is the likely way of it, though there must also be resentment against the Australians and Poles in the business areas in which they tend to operate, such a bartending and plumbing.

Conversely, many non-white British citizens born here, are also victims of racism.

Of course this set of figures is of no use by itself, since there is no historical data to compare it with, and even if available there is no data to show if it is a good or a bad thing.

Another interesting set of data showed that the proportion of single parent families, and of "cougar" wives married to younger men, was much higher in the Victorian times than it is now. This is an interesting contrast since both factors are of great social concern to people nowadays.

**Da Boss**

Albatross: I agree that cultural differences cause problems, but equally, "feth off back to Poland" isn't a very helpful attitude. Migration has always been part of human civilisations, and generally, it has been beneficial.

**KalashnikovMarine**

Albatross wrote:

I was an immigrant in England and most people didn't even realise it, same with the australians and so on on our staff. People would be grousing about "bloody immigrants" and I'd point out that I was one, and they'd say "yeah, but it's not the same!"

It isn't the same. You, along, with Australians, Kiwis, Canadians, and Americans, come from an anglophone country that shares many cultural values with the United Kingdom. That isn't the same as coming from Albania or Somalia. The ease of integration for someone from an anglophone country vs. someone who isn't, isn't really comparable. As far as I can tell, the biggest problem people have with immigration isn't generally people entering the country as economic migrants or asylum-seekers per se, it's the fact that so many of you have so little interest in true integration. I find polish supermarkets offensive. I have no particular axe to grind with the Polish people, but if you want to eat Polish food, speak Polish and only hang out with other Poles, feth off back to Poland. That sort of behaviour is basically a huge 'feth you' to the native population - it's tantamount to saying 'We have no interest in your customs, your culture, or your country. We're just here for the money.' That's what annoys people. It cuts both ways though - I witnessed the British, Irish, Germans and Dutch doing exactly the same thing when I lived in Spain. I, on the other hand, shopped in Spanish shops, ate in Spanish restaurants, drank Spanish beer in Spanish bars, and made an effort to speak Spanish everywhere apart from inside my apartment. That's good immigration.

Quoted for truth and exalted. I ran into this issue in Arizona a lot with parts of the hispanic population.

**Albatross**

Da Boss wrote:
Albatross: I agree that cultural differences cause problems, but equally, "feth off back to Poland" isn't a very helpful attitude.

Neither is the assumption that most English people are racists, which was implied by your post. We're actually pretty tolerant compared to most European countries, including the one you're currently residing in.

**Da Boss**

I'm basing it off my experiences- which were mostly in a fairly crappy corner of the south east. It's not entirely representative, but it's there and significant all the same.

**Palindrome**

Albatross wrote:
I find polish supermarkets offensive. I have no particular axe to grind with the Polish people, but if you want to eat Polish food, speak Polish and only hang out with other Poles, feth off back to Poland.

How dare those dirty foreigners want to maintain their cultural identity! I used to work with a lot of Eastern Europeans and they didn't strike me as insular any more than the natives did.

If people come here for economic reasons they probably aren't going to stay long but if they do then their children will almost inevitably become more integrated until eventually their decendents are indistinguishable from the 'pure' British. Immigrants are subject to British law and they live within British society, its very hard not to become integrated in those cuircumstances. Of course people try but its a losing battle.

**Albatross**

Palindrome wrote:
Albatross wrote:
I find polish supermarkets offensive. I have no particular axe to grind with the Polish people, but if you want to eat Polish food, speak Polish and only hang out with other Poles, feth off back to Poland.

How dare those dirty foreigners want to maintain their cultural identity!

I think that's a bit strong. Reported to the moderators for racism.