13% of UK residants now foreign born

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**Frazzled**

They don't have to learn writing from him.

**BlapBlapBlap**

I see no problem with this whatsoever. I feel it shws the world is growing as an international community.

**Goliath**

Frazzled wrote:
They don't have to learn writing from him.

Yes, but someone complaining about how "dem immigrants don't speak English" whilst spelling loads of it wrong, seems rather hypocritical.

**Frazzled**

Goliath wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
They don't have to learn writing from him.

Yes, but someone complaining about how "dem immigrants don't speak English" whilst spelling loads of it wrong, seems rather hypocritical.

I was thinking more humorous than hypocritical. Seeing hwo poorly I type and proofread, I really can't say anything.

**BlapBlapBlap**

Frazzled wrote:
Goliath wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
They don't have to learn writing from him.

Yes, but someone complaining about how "dem immigrants don't speak English" whilst spelling loads of it wrong, seems rather hypocritical.

I was thinking more humorous than hypocritical. Seeing hwo poorly I type and proofread, I really can't say anything.

Was that on purpose?

**Cheesecat**

Albatross wrote:
Palindrome wrote:
Albatross wrote:

All I'm getting from you is teenage angst, to be quite honest.

While all I am getting from you is xenophobia to be quite honest, mixed in a with a fear of change.

I have not only been abroad I have lived abroad for about 3 years all told. Have you been in the Gaidlhealtachd, do you even know what it is?

My guess would be an area of Scotland in which Gaelic is widely-spoken.

*checks wikipedia*

Yep, pretty much. How do you account for the existence of such places when most people in Britain speak English? I mean, presumably they'd have to be pretty xenophobic and frightened of change, right?

And if you think I'm xenophobic, I advise you to dig out your English textbooks and brush up on your skills a wee bit. I'm an educated man. I've lived overseas in a non-english speaking country. I have foreign friends. It might be convenient for you to paint me as an ignorant xenophobe because you lack the tools to make any other argument, but people like me typically tend to be a thorn in the side of the liberal establishment precisely because I'm not racist, I have had a liberal education, I've considered the arguments and I'm just not buying them. Culture is a site of negotiation, which means I have every right to resist cultural change. It's not based on ignorance, it's based on preference. I prefer my my country to remain the way it is because I sincerely believe that incoming cultures have nothing of much value to offer Britain in this day and age. That might sound chauvinistic, but there's a little bit of chauvinist in all of us if we're being truly honest. Take yourself, for example.

I think were going have to agree to disagree, but I do understand where you're coming from though you like familiarity in your country and you probably have a more defined idea of what British culture means than many other people and I respect that. I on other hand get bored easily and

enjoy change, don't really care much about traditionalism plus I don't really have a strong sense of what being Canadian is, so I'm more lenient towards immigration. Maybe it has to do with Canadian values or that I lean more towards liberalism and/or social democracy (although I don't

necessarily dislike conservatism Winston Churchill is one of my favourite historical figures), I'm not totally sure.

**Frazzled**

No actually...

**Wyrmalla**

Anyone happen to have a chart of the number of immigrant citizens in other EU nations? England's the first stop in the union for immigrants usually, so its no wonder it has so many. Scotland's actually not getting enough skilled immigrants by current standards, despite what Conservatives may say. Perhaps a chart of the number of immigrants residing in the financial hubs of various countries would also help display that this really isn't something to take note of. However Britain does have immigrations laws that appear to be a tad more lax than other countries though. I don't know what the case is in England, but here EU citizens are treated as Scots when it comes to registring for higher education (Ie its free for five years pretty much) which has widespread abuse of the system (one Uni near me was told to cap the number of foreign students it had last year). ...People from the rest of Britain however have to pay their own countries rates to study here oddly. =P

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

Wyrmalla wrote:
Anyone happen to have a chart of the number of immigrant citizens in other EU nations? England's the first stop in the union for immigrants usually, so its no wonder it has so many. Scotland's actually not getting enough skilled immigrants by current standards, despite what Conservatives may say. Perhaps a chart of the number of immigrants residing in the financial hubs of various countries would also help display that this really isn't something to take note of. However Britain does have immigrations laws that appear to be a tad more lax than other countries though. I don't know what the case is in England, but here EU citizens are treated as Scots when it comes to registring for higher education (Ie its free for five years pretty much) which has widespread abuse of the system (one Uni near me was told to cap the number of foreign students it had last year). ...People from the rest of Britain however have to pay their own countries rates to study here oddly. =P

Which uni was it? I attend Strathclyde and there's a lot of non-UK students here (Can't imagine it being Glasgow Caley)

**Wyrmalla**

Actually it was Caley. Stow and Langside also were given some stern words. (Though it could be expect of Stow...). =/

**Themanwiththeplan**

So my point is not valid because I have dislexcia? (you know I tend to spell things how they sound or I think I'm spelling it and I mess up my letters and it's stressful to write) And when did I mention spelling? I said able to speak it, I don't care about writing it.

Have you noticed, everytime some one talks valid points about imigration people can't attack their words they attack their grammer and spelling, sad.

**reds8n**

Themanwiththeplan wrote:

Have you noticed, everytime some one talks valid points about imigration .

You didn't actually make any points.

You offered a poorly thought out and spelt opinion, that's about it.

**Themanwiththeplan**

Yes reds8n I am wrong in my general gist because I can't spell or use grammer properly thanks to dislexcia, what ever helps you sleep.

**reds8n**

And you fail to actually make a point, once again.

Perhaps it's the ~~rat poison~~ fluoride in the water supply.

If you do suffer from (sic) dislexcia then it really is worth taking the extra time and effort to use the simple spell check function built into so many browsers/similar these days.

**Kilkrazy**

Another point worth mentioning is that immigrants are required to sit exams written in English.

**Themanwiththeplan**

Why when it must make that vein on your head pulse judging on the way you keep bringing it up, plus I'm on a brick phone. And I fink I'l stick as is ta, cuz it eza 4 me and dont care what people fink. Jst b glad I dont write lik dis

Killkrazy -

true the orignal imigrant does sit the test, then after brings his whole exstended family over who can't speak a word

. I don't have a problem with colour or people being forign. What I do have a problem with is people abusing my country.

**Frazzled**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Another point worth mentioning is that immigrants are required to sit exams written in English.

Well, any good self respecting immigrant should be made to stand up and do push ups while taking exams. Anyone can sit down for one. Pbom bom!

**Goliath**

Themanwiththeplan wrote:
So my point is not valid because I have dislexcia? (you know I tend to spell things how they sound or I think I'm spelling it and I mess up my letters and it's stressful to write) And when did I mention spelling? I said able to speak it, I don't care about writing it.

Have you noticed, everytime some one talks valid points about imigration people can't attack their words they attack their grammer and spelling, sad.

I may have pointed this out already, but the comparison I gave was that it was worse spelling and grammar than my dyslexic younger brother.

And, as Reds8n said, you didn't make any points. You gave an anecdote about how dem immigrants form communities, then complained about Christmas being secularised.

How about this? How come all them immigrants had to come over and change my winter solstice to some middle eastern guys birthday?
And finally, of course people are going to "ignore your valid point about immigration" in lieu of attacking your ability at English, when your "valid point" was criticising immigrants' ability at English.

**Themanwiththeplan**

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**Mr. Burning**

What I don't understand is how the average immigrant is lazy and scrounging whilst at the same time taking our jobs.

**BlapBlapBlap**

Mr. Burning wrote:
What I don't understand is how the average immigrant is lazy and scrounging whilst at the same time taking our jobs.

Because it simply acts as a way to justify anti-immigration views. They really aren't that lazy...

Y'know, with the whole not taking everything for granted thing...

**Kilkrazy**

Legal immigrants can't get benefits for the first five years. (It used to be two.) NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS is stamped on the visa.

Illegal immigrants can't get benefits.

**Palindrome**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Legal immigrants can't get benefits for the first five years. (It used to be two.) NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS is stamped on the visa.

Illegal immigrants can't get benefits.

Don't they all live in mansions while the native population live in caves and eat mud?

**Mr. Burning**

Palindrome wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
Legal immigrants can't get benefits for the first five years. (It used to be two.) NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS is stamped on the visa.

Illegal immigrants can't get benefits.

Don't they all live in mansions while the native population live in caves and eat mud?

Yup.

They are a bunch of ill educated savages whilst being intelligent enough to play the system at the same time.

**Goliath**

Mr. Burning wrote:
Palindrome wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
Legal immigrants can't get benefits for the first five years. (It used to be two.) NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS is stamped on the visa.

Illegal immigrants can't get benefits.

Don't they all live in mansions while the native population live in caves and eat mud?

Yup.

They are a bunch of ill educated savages whilst being intelligent enough to play the system at the same time.

And are both a massive drain on the system whilst also stealing all the jobs off of hard working Brits/Americans/[Insert Nationality Here]