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In a battle between Calgar with a 9 man honor guard squad and 1 Chapter champion vs Logan Grimnar accompanied by 9 wolf guard and Arjac Rockfist, who do you think would come out on top?

Logan would rape him all the way to Macragge...

And Arjac wouldn't even blink as he crushed in the Champion's head before moving in to mop up the rest.

*EDIT* Might I add he'd crush his head by THROWING his hammer at him. Yeah Arjac is BAMF enough that he doesn't even bother to use it like a regular hammer. First he throws it and then uses his massive stormshield to pummel you into the earth.

I only voted for Calgar since i know Matt Ward would then completely nerf the space wolfs next codex (if he gets his hands on it) if they won

Calgar would out-think Grimnar. And then, afterwards, he'd light up a cigar and talk about how he loves it when a plan comes together.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Calgar would out-think Grimnar. And then, afterwards, he'd light up a cigar and talk about how he loves it when a plan comes together.

Can't outsmart a wolf, they're like 8 times bigger and smarter than a fox lol


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jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Calgar would out-think Grimnar. And then, afterwards, he'd light up a cigar and talk about how he loves it when a plan comes together.

Can't outsmart a wolf, they're like 8 times bigger and smarter than a fox lol

Seriously though. Shouldn't be much of a contest.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Calgar would out-think Grimnar. And then, afterwards, he'd light up a cigar and talk about how he loves it when a plan comes together.

As much as I disagree this post had me laughing for a good long while. Still can't get the image out of my head and I'm getting strange stares for the look on my face as I try not to laugh more.

Straight up fight between calgar and grimnir would be a more interesting discussion then throwing in their possies

Straight up fight hate to say it according to Matthew nerf ward calgar would win. Fluff (the actual rules) grimnir would pull him apart like soggy bread...

Not much of a surprise from the results, this is Dakka Dakka.

Arjac is a bigger problem than Grimnar for Papa Smurf. To be fair you need to throw in an UM heavy hitter like Tigurius or such.

I love the knee-jerk smurf hate on Dakka

CREEEEEED!

Logan Grimnar cut down Grey Knight Supreme Grand Master in one blow from his power axe, a freaking Grey Knight Supreme Grand Master. And then he killed 2 Justicars just for the lulz...

Calgar is screwed.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
Logan Grimnar cut down Grey Knight Supreme Grand Master in one blow from his power axe, a freaking Grey Knight Supreme Grand Master. And then he killed 2 Justicars just for the lulz...

Calgar is screwed.

*Grand Master. Draigo's the Supreme Grand Master.


And Calgar out-melee'd the Avatar of Khaine.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

*Grand Master. Draigo's the Supreme Grand Master.

And Calgar out-melee'd the Avatar of Khaine.

You are right, Joros was only Grand Master, not Supreme. But still.....

And Avatar of Khaine has so much fail in fluff that I wouldn't be surprised if ordinary Guardsmen killed him with Lasgun...

Putting my money on Grimnar.

Rules-wise? Logan easily (doubly-so since he has a whole squad to back him up which are better than honour guard due to additional equipment options).

Fluff-wise? Depends if it's a straight-on fight or not. If so then probably Logan still, but it'll be a doozy.

 Tazz Azrael wrote:
I only voted for Calgar since i know Matt Ward would then completely nerf the space wolfs next codex (if he gets his hands on it) if they won

I hate to say it, but the wolf guard would get decimated by any honor guard squad simply because the honor guard are rocking +2 armor and the wolf guard only have 3+.

As for the fight between calgar and logan...

Since calgar has the same amount of attacks, except with all power fist rolls and the ability to re-roll to wound, it doesn't matter if logan can use preferred enemy on himself, he can't wound better than calgar. Furthermore calgar has one more wound.

Let us not forget there is a chapter champion who must challenge, therefore calgar isn't going 1v1 until that's done with, meaning there is the good possibility for after the champion dies calgar has one free re-roll later in the ensuing challenge.

Btw I do hate on blue marines, but I won't let my hate cloud my vision.

 juraigamer wrote:
I hate to say it, but the wolf guard would get decimated by any honor guard squad simply because the honor guard are rocking +2 armor and the wolf guard only have 3+.

As for the fight between calgar and logan...

Since calgar has the same amount of attacks, except with all power fist rolls and the ability to re-roll to wound, it doesn't matter if logan can use preferred enemy on himself, he can't wound better than calgar. Furthermore calgar has one more wound.

Let us not forget there is a chapter champion who must challenge, therefore calgar isn't going 1v1 until that's done with, meaning there is the good possibility for after the champion dies calgar has one free re-roll later in the ensuing challenge.

Btw I do hate on blue marines, but I won't let my hate cloud my vision.

Wolf Guard also come in Terminator Armour if they like, and in virtually any combination of Combi Weapon and special Close Combat weapon you can think of.

Jefffar wrote:

 juraigamer wrote:
I hate to say it, but the wolf guard would get decimated by any honor guard squad simply because the honor guard are rocking +2 armor and the wolf guard only have 3+.

As for the fight between calgar and logan...

Since calgar has the same amount of attacks, except with all power fist rolls and the ability to re-roll to wound, it doesn't matter if logan can use preferred enemy on himself, he can't wound better than calgar. Furthermore calgar has one more wound.

Let us not forget there is a chapter champion who must challenge, therefore calgar isn't going 1v1 until that's done with, meaning there is the good possibility for after the champion dies calgar has one free re-roll later in the ensuing challenge.

Btw I do hate on blue marines, but I won't let my hate cloud my vision.

Wolf Guard also come in Terminator Armour if they like, and in virtually any combination of Combi Weapon and special Close Combat weapon you can think of.

Add to that Arjac was also included and he has a special rule that he must issue/accept all challenges (and will completely wreck face). So that leaves Calgar and Logan to still duel it out. If Calgar doesn't upgrade to his termi armor he looses in a big way. Logan would strike first with his frost blade version wounding on a 2+ with rerolls. If he is wearing is termi armor, I'm still giving the edge to Grimnar because he hits on 3+ and has a 4+ inv save where Calgar would be hitting on 4s and only has a 5+ inv save.

Calgar & Friends
In the fluff & tabletop

With TDA on the Wolf guard the Space Wolves have a severe point advantage on the Ultramarines.

Sorry wolves your one of a kind uniqueness doesn't beat bland old blue.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Calgar would out-think Grimnar. And then, afterwards, he'd light up a cigar and talk about how he loves it when a plan comes together.

Just curious, are you thinking of Creed? The cigar and plan reference...

 Wandre wrote:
Calgar & Friends
In the fluff & tabletop

With TDA on the Wolf guard the Space Wolves have a severe point advantage on the Ultramarines.

Sorry wolves your one of a kind uniqueness doesn't beat bland old blue.

I'd like to know where you get "severe point advantage" from. Honour guard cost more than TDA wolf guard.

 Wandre wrote:
Calgar & Friends
In the fluff & tabletop

With TDA on the Wolf guard the Space Wolves have a severe point advantage on the Ultramarines.

Sorry wolves your one of a kind uniqueness doesn't beat bland old blue.

I don't think this is right. Just looking at the WG vs HG (give them banner)

WG in TDA with P-fist and WC cost 48 points each. HG with relic blades cost 50 points each +25 for the banner). WG will also have preferred enemy (thanks to Logan).

8 HG will strike first having 3 attacks each hitting on 4s, wounding on 2s, with the WG saving on a 2+. Thus at I4 the WG loose 1.6 guys (we will be nice and round up to 2). Then at I1 6 WG strike back with 4 preferred enemy, P-fist attacks each (Used Logan's Living Legend ability on first round) Thus doing 10 S8 AP2 wounds and wiping out the HG.

Arjac vs champion. Champion has ws5, 4 attack (because of banner) and he thinks he is hot stuff so has a thunderhammer. Arjac has ws5, 5 attacks (but hits on a 3) and a stormshield.

At I1 the champion does .54 unsaved wounds to Arjac and Arjac does 3.5 unsaved wounds back. Looks like Arjac is the clear winner.

As for Calgar and Logan (we will give Calgar his termi armor otherwise this wont even be close)
at I1, Calgar is WS6 S8 p-fist gauntlets and has 6 Pfist attacks. As such he does 1 unsaved wound to Logan
at I1 Logan is WS6, S8 p-fist and has 6 attacks - Logan also hits on 3s and has preferred enemy, as such he does 3 unsaved wounds to Calgar

Turn 2
at I1, Logan doesn't even fight as Arjac steps up and turns Calgar to paste as he only has 1 wound left and Arjac does at least 2. (didn't even add in the cheer section from the surviving unit)
at I1, Calgar is WS6 S8 p-fist gauntlets but now has 5 Pfist attacks and as such probably kills Arjac as well.

The only real point difference is Arjac as his inclusion puts the SW team 85 points over the Ultras team. Even if Arjac was just a normal WG the Ultras have little to any hope of surviving that many more WG in TDA and P-fists hanging around.

What I was speaking on was the OP with Marneus + 9 HG vs Logan + 9 WG (TDA added as mentioned in a few other posts)

Calgar & Friends = 575
Logan & TDA Friends = 712

I should also mention that kitted out with any semblance of intelligence the Wolves would win easily.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Calgar would out-think Grimnar. And then, afterwards, he'd light up a cigar and talk about how he loves it when a plan comes together.

A-Team quote ? very funny though !

This goes to Calgar and Friends, not gonna lie.

 Jayden63 wrote:

WG in TDA with P-fist and WC cost 48 points each. HG with relic blades cost 50 points each +25 for the banner). WG will also have preferred enemy (thanks to Logan).

8 HG will strike first having 3 attacks each hitting on 4s, wounding on 2s, with the WG saving on a 2+.

Or, you know, the Honor Guard doesn't bother with expensive AP3 weapons against 2+ saves and just use their Power Axes.

 Jayden63 wrote:

Add to that Arjac was also included and he has a special rule that he must issue/accept all challenges (and will completely wreck face). So that leaves Calgar and Logan to still duel it out. If Calgar doesn't upgrade to his termi armor he looses in a big way. Logan would strike first with his frost blade version wounding on a 2+ with rerolls. If he is wearing is termi armor, I'm still giving the edge to Grimnar because he hits on 3+ and has a 4+ inv save where Calgar would be hitting on 4s and only has a 5+ inv save.

Calgar has an Iron Halo and rerolls to wound. I swear, do you even bother checking what wargear both guys have before declaring the winner? Calgar has just as good of a save, one more wound and one more attack due to the Chapter Banner. Furthermore, Frost Blades only give +1S last I looked, which means he'd only be wounding Calgar on a 3+.

In fact:

MATH TIME!

Calgar, without Armour of Antilochius, getting charged:


Calgar, with Armour of Antilochius, getting charged:


If anyone feels like calculating Calgar charging, feel free. I can't be bothered ATM, I had to go through the whole bloody lot again when I remembered that Preferred Enemy gives you rerolls to wound rolls of 1 as well these days >.<.

 Jayden63 wrote:

 Wandre wrote:
Calgar & Friends
In the fluff & tabletop

With TDA on the Wolf guard the Space Wolves have a severe point advantage on the Ultramarines.

Sorry wolves your one of a kind uniqueness doesn't beat bland old blue.

I don't think this is right. Just looking at the WG vs HG (give them banner)

WG in TDA with P-fist and WC cost 48 points each. HG with relic blades cost 50 points each +25 for the banner). WG will also have preferred enemy (thanks to Logan).

8 HG will strike first having 3 attacks each hitting on 4s, wounding on 2s, with the WG saving on a 2+. Thus at I4 the WG loose 1.6 guys (we will be nice and round up to 2). Then at I1 6 WG strike back with 4 preferred enemy, P-fist attacks each (Used Logan's Living Legend ability on first round) Thus doing 10 S8 AP2 wounds and wiping out the HG.

Arjac vs champion. Champion has ws5, 4 attack (because of banner) and he thinks he is hot stuff so has a thunderhammer. Arjac has ws5, 5 attacks (but hits on a 3) and a stormshield.

At I1 the champion does .54 unsaved wounds to Arjac and Arjac does 3.5 unsaved wounds back. Looks like Arjac is the clear winner.

As for Calgar and Logan (we will give Calgar his termi armor otherwise this wont even be close)
at I1, Calgar is WS6 S8 p-fist gauntlets and has 6 Pfist attacks. As such he does 1 unsaved wound to Logan
at I1 Logan is WS6, S8 p-fist and has 6 attacks - Logan also hits on 3s and has preferred enemy, as such he does 3 unsaved wounds to Calgar

Turn 2
at I1, Logan doesn't even fight as Arjac steps up and turns Calgar to paste as he only has 1 wound left and Arjac does at least 2. (didn't even add in the cheer section from the surviving unit)
at I1, Calgar is WS6 S8 p-fist gauntlets but now has 5 Pfist attacks and as such probably kills Arjac as well.

The only real point difference is Arjac as his inclusion puts the SW team 85 points over the Ultras team. Even if Arjac was just a normal WG the Ultras have little to any hope of surviving that many more WG in TDA and P-fists hanging around.

The math-hammer has struck the final nail in this coffin. Victory to the Sons of Russ!

Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:

 Wandre wrote:
Calgar & Friends
In the fluff & tabletop

With TDA on the Wolf guard the Space Wolves have a severe point advantage on the Ultramarines.

Sorry wolves your one of a kind uniqueness doesn't beat bland old blue.

I don't think this is right. Just looking at the WG vs HG (give them banner)

WG in TDA with P-fist and WC cost 48 points each. HG with relic blades cost 50 points each +25 for the banner). WG will also have preferred enemy (thanks to Logan).

8 HG will strike first having 3 attacks each hitting on 4s, wounding on 2s, with the WG saving on a 2+. Thus at I4 the WG loose 1.6 guys (we will be nice and round up to 2). Then at I1 6 WG strike back with 4 preferred enemy, P-fist attacks each (Used Logan's Living Legend ability on first round) Thus doing 10 S8 AP2 wounds and wiping out the HG.

Arjac vs champion. Champion has ws5, 4 attack (because of banner) and he thinks he is hot stuff so has a thunderhammer. Arjac has ws5, 5 attacks (but hits on a 3) and a stormshield.

At I1 the champion does .54 unsaved wounds to Arjac and Arjac does 3.5 unsaved wounds back. Looks like Arjac is the clear winner.

As for Calgar and Logan (we will give Calgar his termi armor otherwise this wont even be close)
at I1, Calgar is WS6 S8 p-fist gauntlets and has 6 Pfist attacks. As such he does 1 unsaved wound to Logan
at I1 Logan is WS6, S8 p-fist and has 6 attacks - Logan also hits on 3s and has preferred enemy, as such he does 3 unsaved wounds to Calgar

Turn 2
at I1, Logan doesn't even fight as Arjac steps up and turns Calgar to paste as he only has 1 wound left and Arjac does at least 2. (didn't even add in the cheer section from the surviving unit)
at I1, Calgar is WS6 S8 p-fist gauntlets but now has 5 Pfist attacks and as such probably kills Arjac as well.

The only real point difference is Arjac as his inclusion puts the SW team 85 points over the Ultras team. Even if Arjac was just a normal WG the Ultras have little to any hope of surviving that many more WG in TDA and P-fists hanging around.

The math-hammer has struck the final nail in this coffin. Victory to the Sons of Russ!

If you're using faulty math, sure. Did you even bother reading my post?