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Robed terminators look fine. Can't say I like the price, but it's probably the only box I'll buy to convert my DV Deathwing...

...Maybe the Ravenwing, too, but at the prices they're going, I can't see me buying both at the same time.

I bought my Wolf Guard termies when they were € 25, they've gone up in price by nearly a third, for no apparent reason - which meant my plans for a WG army getting shelved.

Thanks for the images!

I want this to, henceforth, be the "Rule of Naaman".

For Naaman will singlehandedly have stopped the Orks. When he sneezed.
Mark my words.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I want this to, henceforth, be the "Rule of Naaman".

For Naaman will singlehandedly have stopped the Orks. When he sneezed.
Mark my words.

And also not have died in the process. Only to call out "This is not even my final form!"

 Kanluwen wrote:
I want this to, henceforth, be the "Rule of Naaman".

For Naaman will singlehandedly have stopped the Orks. When he sneezed.
Mark my words.

unlikely that Naaman will garner as much crazy hate as Draigo'd, but we will see.

 n0t_u wrote:
I have no idea why the gunner is out the front there, perhaps he traded his legs so he could throw off the balance of the design. If he were back in the seat it'd probably be a fair bit better, especially the plasma cannon one.

It's the gunner up front that kills it for me. If he were just sitting in his seat where he's meant to go, then the extended hull and rear-turret would be fine. But he's got to be up front, like some sort of half-marine.

"Sorry bro... we filled your seat with random crap and some candles."
"It's ok. I'll just chisel out a tiny hole at the front of the speeder and sit there."
"What about the delicate inner workings of the Land Speeder?"
"Not a problem! I'll cut off my legs so I'll fit"

 pretre wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I want this to, henceforth, be the "Rule of Naaman".

For Naaman will singlehandedly have stopped the Orks. When he sneezed.
Mark my words.

unlikely that Naaman will garner as much crazy hate as Draigo'd, but we will see.

Ooh, Cypher might be the next Draigo!

That would be hilariously appropriate all things considered.

 pretre wrote:
unlikely that Naaman will garner as much crazy hate as Draigo'd, but we will see.

Implying that Drago hate is somehow 'crazy'.

I'm wondering how hard it will be to swap the gunner back an put the candles in that spot. Or if it will look a bit better once we get a real look.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Mark my words.

unlikely that Naaman will garner as much crazy hate as Draigo'd, but we will see.

Implying that Drago hate is somehow 'crazy'.

Hating Draigo is not crazy.

The constant stream of hate, rather than just ignoring it is.

 pretre wrote:
I'm wondering how hard it will be to swap the gunner back an put the candles in that spot. Or if it will look a bit better once we get a real look.

Surely there will still be the silly pulpit there though?

FINALLY!

 pretre wrote:
I'm wondering how hard it will be to swap the gunner back an put the candles in that spot. Or if it will look a bit better once we get a real look.

I think it's going to be mighty difficult to get rid of the great pintle-mount on the front of that thing, and it's always going to look like a lazy kitbash. Honestly though, and this is kinda ironic, the best way to fix it might be via kitbashing. Give it the front from an actual Land Speeder, as they look pretty much the same (sans oddly placed gunwell) and put Mr. No Legs back in his seat with a pintle Assault Cannon.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
unlikely that Naaman will garner as much crazy hate as Draigo'd, but we will see.

Implying that Drago hate is somehow 'crazy'.

It is, but I'm not goin down that road. I just imagine there will be some bit of codex da that will cause frothing madness far more than the actual content should indicate. Whether that will supplant Draigo in fury is yet to be seen.

For someone who bemoans the Draigo Hate you seem to bring it up a quite a bit!

 Alpharius wrote:
For someone who bemoans the Draigo Hate you seem to bring it up a quite a bit!

Probably because it derails everything from Dark Angels rumor threads(and did so BEFORE we even had these pictures. The mere mention of Ward writing the book brought up such a thing) to Background Discussions which had nothing to do with Ward?

 Alpharius wrote:
For someone who bemoans the Draigo Hate you seem to bring it up a quite a bit!

yeah, I totally brought it up after a page and a half of ward fights and comparisons to Draigo. /rollseyes

 Kanluwen wrote:
Probably because it derails everything from Dark Angels rumor threads(and did so BEFORE we even had these pictures. The mere mention of Ward writing the book brought up such a thing) to Background Discussions which had nothing to do with Ward?

Which kinda begs the question: If it wasn't such a big deal and was as 'crazy' as you two try to keep saying, then why does it - out of all the 40K fluff out there - keep coming up? Maybe, just maybe, because it is a bigger deal than you two will care to admit.

But I'm sure that's not it... no... it's just 'hate'. Irrational, formless, foaming-at-the-mouth 'hate'.

More I look at the vengeance the more I dislike it... unfortunately.

Need to figure out a way to make it look good...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Probably because it derails everything from Dark Angels rumor threads(and did so BEFORE we even had these pictures. The mere mention of Ward writing the book brought up such a thing) to Background Discussions which had nothing to do with Ward?

Which kinda begs the question: If it wasn't such a big deal and was as 'crazy' as you try to keep saying, then why does it - out of all the 40K fluff out there - keep coming up? Maybe, just maybe, because it is a bigger deal than you two will care to admit.

But I'm sure that's not it... no... it's just 'hate'. Irrational, formless, foaming-at-the-mouth 'hate'.

I don't recall saying it was crazy or that it's "irrational, formless, foaming-at-the-mouth 'hate'." At least not recently.
I did think that originally, but people are certainly entitled to get worked up over these things.

I know that my Codex: Imperial Guard has "hot-shot lasgun" whited out and "hellgun" written in everywhere, so...

Plenty of completely irrational and crazy things seize the attention of the Internet and get spouted constantly without recourse to fact. That's what the Internet is all about. I equate Warders with Birthers.

(Okay, maybe that's an exaggeration. I don't think that poorly of Birthers to really say that.)

It's a joke, in case anyone is unclear.

Didn't stop this thread to get almost 12.000 visitors in 3 hours

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 TBD wrote:
He doesn't design the miniatures. He only gets told to write a background for them. So the more extravagant & blinged out a miniature, the more extravagant & blinged out the background will probably be. Has anyone ever considered this is what GW tells/expects him to do? Most of the codex/armybooks have this kind of over the top kiddy stories in them, so it is not quite unique to Ward. I usually don't pay much attention to the way fluff is written in the codex. The only thing I'd potentially fault him for is rules-writing.

Because he writes the fluff. He’s the one that takes what might be a great concept (Inner Circle Terminator units? Are they specialist Fallen Hunters? Holders of grave secrets? This sounds awesome, sign me up!) and turns them into a bunch of Saturday morning cartoon heroes. G.I. Angels.

You think this has anything to do with how ‘blinged up’ they are? Are you mad? And this:

“So the more extravagant & blinged out a miniature, the more extravagant & blinged out the background will probably be.”

... doesn’t make any sense. The more blinged out your model, the more realms of the Chaos Gods you have to smash single-handedly? Is that it? Yes, I’m mentioning Draigo because he is the quintisential Ward icon, a character so over-the-top and stupid that you lose IQ points by even saying the name.

Belial’s pretty pimped out. So maybe he’s caught Cypher a dozen times, by himself. And he’s probably killed an Avatar (what Ward character hasn’t?). And if Calgar has a rough time killing an Avatar and Space Jesus did it without issue, then Belial probably did it with out any weapons. Or armour. When he was a child.

Yes, I’m engaging in some pretty heavy hyperbole here, but then again given the subject matter (Wardian 40K), I’m not the only one.

I understand what you are saying and I don't disagree about a lot of that fluff being rediculous, but how do you know he doesn't get certain guidelines and/or a framework from which he has to write his stuff?

It is very possible GW tells him to write it in a way that especially appeals to a certain age group. We are (amost) all convinced that GW's marketing is aimed mainly at kids, right, so how is it unimaginable to think that fluff is deliberately aimed at them too. The Black Library books, to compare, seem to be aimed at an older audience, and the writing/stories seem to be written/made accordingly. That difference might not be by accident at all, otherwise why not let Abnett of McNeill write your codex background stories? And those guys get guidelines about what/how to write too, btw. The fluff in the codex isn't for you, but for little thirteen year old Timmy. You don't think it is Ward who decides that, right?

I've always understood that just like there is a team of people responsible for the entire direction of 40K background (so not only codex fluff but BL storylines too) there is a team of people who design the (new) miniatures and what they should be all about as far as awesomeness goes. If you make this fancy new shiny (blinged out) unit they have to be ZOMG! awesome in the little story that accompanies them in the codex. So yes, the rediculous fluff is directly related to fancy new units. There is someone higher up than Ward who approves of what he writes. If it was found to be too childish he'd have to re-write it. To bring up the wrestling/John Cena comparison again, this is an extremely proven method of selling a certain something. If all the little Jimmies & Johnnies see/read how ZOMG! awesome this dude is (Draigo/Cena), then they will all want his figure/Tshirt. I am afraid this is the truth whether you (or I) like it or not.

So what I am saying is: don't "hate" Ward, but hate GW for what they are making Ward do.

If you watched wrestling you'd REALLY hate John Cena these past years

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't recall saying it was crazy or that it's "irrational, formless, foaming-at-the-mouth 'hate'." At least not recently.

You didn't, but I'm talking to you and pretre.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I know that my Codex: Imperial Guard has "hot-shot lasgun" whited out and "hellgun" written in everywhere, so...

When a hellgun conquers the Warp by itself, then we'll talk.

I just want to make one comment:

MAJOR props to GW for selling that Terminator box at $50 US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't recall saying it was crazy or that it's "irrational, formless, foaming-at-the-mouth 'hate'." At least not recently.

You didn't, but I'm talking to you and pretre.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I know that my Codex: Imperial Guard has "hot-shot lasgun" whited out and "hellgun" written in everywhere, so...

When a hellgun conquers the Warp by itself, then we'll talk.

It's funny you should say that, because I was going to write a little piece about a Kasrkin rampaging through the Garden of Nurgle and give it to you for "Only War".

So do we get a Codex?

 Vaktathi wrote:
Not really. One will notice that Land Raiders and Drop Pods have higher transport capacities in C:SM than in other books yes? That's because Ward changed them, and they don't have as close an oversight as one might think, and it didn't get caught until it was already ready for the printers, and by Wards own words (IIRC at GDUK 2009) he "got his knuckles rapped" for it and the change didn't carry over into subsequent SM books. That would seem to imply he's not the drone your making him out to be. Writers like that don't get a big "written by" place on the inside cover

But those are rules issues, and that is not what we we discussing.

That deathwing knight champion is in THAT pose

I am adorned in the greatest armour available to the servants of the Emperor, I carry a shield that nearly covers my whole body and my weapon is a huge ass power flail,
come at me bro.

COME.AT.ME....BRO

Oh Holy Emperor! They look HORRID!

The new Ravenwing Apothecary and Standard Bearer look good and Belial and maybe some others. But those Aquila looking fighters are terrible. Space Marines shouldn't have crap like that.

And that new Land Speeder? Urgh!

Why do GW have to keep making new crappy units just for the sake of making new crappy units and models?

What have they done to my beloved Dark Angels?

 Kroothawk wrote:
So do we get a Codex?

I'm guessing February, since it doesn't look to be preorder for Jan. or some sort of weird split release in Jan.