Here they are... Dark Angels Jan. 2013

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**Deadshot**

The reason GW doesn't advertise is exactly for the budgeting.

If someone is surprised by something, like the Hobbit, with someone standing up and shouting about how everuthing is so amazing and awesome, he is more likely to buy.

If someone explains exactly what is good, what isn't, months before, GW loses money. If someone was to explain to impulse buyers that the Ork Battleforce sucks and he'd be wasting money because he could get the same stuff, minus the useless things, cheaper, and explain what else to get, GW loses.

**Avian**

Absolutely. It's the same reason movie trailers don't exist.

**H.B.M.C.**

Zweischneid wrote:
Unless, of course, you admit that knowing what's down the road would lead you to budget more economically, in which case GW's secrecy-approach would've been vindicated.

Is coherency something you just never strive for, or what?

**Zanderchief**

But GW do preview... When they are good and ready... Like when movies are previewed. They are all done at the precieved maximum impact point. For GW they believe the almost instant wow factor works for them. We have no data to disprove this so its hard to argue against it. My gripe about the releasing is more to do with they way armies are practically starved of release for years at a time.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH GW!!!
But then maybe this has proven to work for them also.

**blood reaper**

Avian wrote:
Absolutely. It's the same reason movie trailers don't exist.

Yeah, no body would go and see a movie if they saw the trailer, they have to be surprised.

**Zweischneid**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Zweischneid wrote:
Unless, of course, you admit that knowing what's down the road would lead you to budget more economically, in which case GW's secrecy-approach would've been vindicated.

Is coherency something you just never strive for, or what?

Is it? I dunno?

It wasn't me claiming that it would hurt retailers if people with a "budget" bought 40K products a month, or two, or a year after the official release to give themselves more time to appraise the offer, or was it?

I just ran with the statement.

**Kingsley**

According to Robin Cruddace, every time GW reduces the amount of information they preview, they make more money. Since making money is what GW primarily cares about, there's your answer right there.

If previewing things early gave GW more sales, they'd do it. It doesn't, so they don't.

**KalashnikovMarine**

Maybe this whole rabid fan base of rumor mongers works as advertising for them any way?

You know all the people spread over all the forums waiting for the next leak with excitement building and word spreading virally to the community?

**spaceelf**

Kingsley wrote:
According to Robin Cruddace, every time GW reduces the amount of information they preview, they make more money. Since making money is what GW primarily cares about, there's your answer right there.

If previewing things early gave GW more sales, they'd do it. It doesn't, so they don't.

Behind the scenes at GW they are working on a way to make us all have amnesia. That way, everything you see in the store will be new. There were a couple of senile guys who used to shop at the local store. If their caretakers were not with them, then they would have bought the same things over and over again, which would have been bad for them but good for GW. Just think of the possibilities if everyone bought 10 Commisar Yarriks, 20 pots of hawk turquoise, and 3 realm of battle tables.

**pretre**

Dr. Who over on Warseer wrote:
On Deathwing Terminators (Elite):
A little more expensive (not much) than your average Astartes version but you get Deathwing Assault, Splitfire USR, Inner Circle and Vengeful Strike special rules thrown in to the bargain. You can pretty much customize the squad anyway you like. They start out as a standard tactical squad but you can upgrade any number of them to assault terminators with either a pair of lightning claws (free) or the omnipresent thunderhammer and storm shield combo (you must pay for that privilege). For every 5 models (you can have a max of 10) you get the option of a heavy flamer, plasma cannon, assault cannon or cyclone missile launcher (no flakk option). You can also have the usual dedicated Land Raider but if you do, then you must pay for the Deathwing Vehicle upgrade which is mandatory.

If there is an option to make them a troop choice, it resides within the character section.

On Deathwing Knights (Elite):
Again a little more expensive than normal Deathwing Terminators (still not much). They have +1 WS, Maces of Absolution and Storm Shields as standard except the Knights Master. He has the Flail of the Unforgiven instead of the mace, and as far as I can make out, also +1 attack (don't quote me on that one). They also have a king's ransom of special rules: Deathwing Assualt, Hammer of Wrath, Inner Circle, Fortress of Shields and You Cannot Hide. The last two were a little hard to make out, so I'm 100% sure on those. The Smite rule is not mentioned by name but I think it is part of the weapon special rules. They can also be given a '... Relic of the Unforgiven' (the '...' part I cannot decipher) and a Land Raider which must have the Deathwing vehicle upgrade as well.

On Dreadnoughts (Elite):
Now cheaper! Same price as the Chaos Helbrute but with a free Storm Bolter! Same options as the Astartes version - including the Rifleman option but the Dreadnought close combat weapon has been replaced with a powerfist. The Venerable Dreadnought is now an upgrade. I don't have my books but I think it is a lot cheaper than before (still hard to make out, but it looks like the price of a powerfist). The Venerable also get the Deathwing Vehicle rule as standard it seems. No mention of Mortis options.

On Landspeeders:
Their Bestiary page is also in the WD. The Vengeance version has a heavy bolter and a Plasma Storm battery as standard. Otherwise it is you standard Land Speeder. The Ravenwing Darkshroud version is a Land Speeder with a heavy bolter and it has the Scout USR apparantly. It also has (or has the option for) the 'Icon of Old Caliban' which gives +1 to friendly units within 12" when determining assualt results (not cumulative). The Darkshroud special rule gives the Land Speeder the Shrouded USR and friendly units within 6" gain the Stealth USR (not cumulative, does not affect the Darkshroud itself).

The codex is mentioned as being 104 pages long.

**matphat**

Wow, great leak! Lots of new things to digest.

**1hadhq**

So deathwing in PA seems possible...

**TheDevo**

What is this "Deathwing Vehicle" upgrade that keeps popping up?

Forgive me if the answer is hidden amongst 30 pages.

**pretre**

IIRC, it allows the vehicle to be part of a DW Assault. It has been bandied about a bit.

**Crazyterran**

Deathwing Assault is still them being allowed to Deepstrike in the first turn, right?

Or do they get something new that someones seen and I missed? >.>

**insaniak**

Zanderchief wrote:
We have no data to disprove this so its hard to argue against it.

I have data that proves that I don't buy as many new releases if I don't know about them in advance.

**pretre**

To be fair, you're in Oz though and GW prices down there require serious budgeting.

**Drunkspleen**

pretre wrote:
To be fair, you're in Oz though and GW prices down there require serious budgeting.

More important than budgeting is being creative with how you source your purchases.

**Ronin_eX**

pretre wrote:
IIRC, it allows the vehicle to be part of a DW Assault. It has been bandied about a bit.

I think that was just random conjecture from someone. I don't think anyone currently knows what DW Vehicle does (I'm pretty sure nothing was cited in the WD).

**Scrollax**

pretre wrote:
IIRC, it allows the vehicle to be part of a DW Assault. It has been bandied about a bit.

Please can we have deepstriking landraiders and dreadnoughts!

**Drunkspleen**

Scrollax wrote:
pretre wrote:
IIRC, it allows the vehicle to be part of a DW Assault. It has been bandied about a bit.

Please can we have deepstriking landraiders and dreadnoughts!

Yeah imagine how crazy it would be it Deathwing Land Raiders could deep strike.... oh wait

**Synister_Intent**

Does anyone know when the WD will be available in the US?

**Davor**

Well all the people who talk about how bad GW marketing is, is forgetting one thing. We are not GW sales base. GW wants impulse buying parents of mid teenagers. Little Timmy to speak of. That is why GW doesnt do preview much any more.

GW know the vetrans will still buy and it has been proven that we keep buying no matter how much we complain.

So until GW doesnt get the impulse buys from little timmies parents nothing will change. We are the abused wife who keeps coming back to the abusive husband. Even if you dont buy you are still helping GW because we still keep talking about it. Bad press is still free press.

**Red Comet**

Davor wrote:
Well all the people who talk about how bad GW marketing is, is forgetting one thing. We are not GW sales base. GW wants impulse buying parents of mid teenagers. Little Timmy to speak of. That is why GW doesnt do preview much any more.

GW know the vetrans will still buy and it has been proven that we keep buying no matter how much we complain.

So until GW doesnt get the impulse buys from little timmies parents nothing will change. We are the abused wife who keeps coming back to the abusive husband. Even if you dont buy you are still helping GW because we still keep talking about it. Bad press is still free press.

What's amusing about what you said is that you can pretty much take any fanbase and you will find this same problem pretty much everywhere. Loyal fans are always abused and even if they do complain the company keeps abusing those loyal to them. Its always going to be that way.

**TechMarine1**

Zanderchief wrote:
But GW do preview... When they are good and ready... Like when movies are previewed. They are all done at the precieved maximum impact point. For GW they believe the almost instant wow factor works for them. We have no data to disprove this so its hard to argue against it. My gripe about the releasing is more to do with they way armies are practically starved of release for years at a time.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH GW!!!
But then maybe this has proven to work for them also.

And then when they they do make trailers, they do a rather lackluster job, in my opinion.

**Zanderchief**

Yeah... Not saying they do a great job a presentation but they do what they do because it works or at the very least it seems to.

I am hoping we get more waves such as the flyers we got. Spread the love a bit and get more armies involved in a release.

BTW now we saw the DA version of the STalon (basically it had wings) is a Space Wolves (has fur and fangs), Blood Angels (has blood and shiny nipples) and a Black Templars (erm is angry and could be confused with a DA one) on the way too???

**Tomb King**

I like the idea of 10 strong terminators but haven't heard anything about ravenwing. Any new goodies for the boyz who dont like walking?

**DustGod**

The speeder looks stupid. You gotta be kidding me right?!? it's like a road warrior car with a roof gunner hanging out from the front end of a Volkswagen. I think at some point GW's laziness is going to get the best of them.

It's like they're all out of ideas... it's laughable really.

**dominiquekee**

This looks good...

**Formosa**

I like the speeder, with the exception of the nose gunner, he will be taken away and a chin mounted gun will be added instead, I like the big gunboat aspect of it, it is clearly made to represent the Vietnam ones or just a heavy chopper