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Can a warp smith repair a hell drake in hover mode.

So long as the warp smith is in base to base with the vehicle he can repair it, doesn't matter the mode, base to base.

not sure helturkeys can hover

but even while zooming a warpsmith can repair hull points if in base to base.

 Exergy wrote:
not sure helturkeys can hover

but even while zooming a warpsmith can repair hull points if in base to base.

They can, bot hover and get repaired in any mode

 Exergy wrote:
not sure helturkeys can hover

but even while zooming a warpsmith can repair hull points if in base to base.

Are you sure about though, don't know page number off the top of my head, but a fliers base is ignored completely, which suggests it is never in B2B contact, and is an invalid target for repairs.

Edit pg80. clearly states flyer bases are ignored except for the two presented situations (embarks and assaults)

WSN wrote:

 Exergy wrote:
not sure helturkeys can hover

but even while zooming a warpsmith can repair hull points if in base to base.

Are you sure about though, don't know page number off the top of my head, but a fliers base is ignored completely, which suggests it is never in B2B contact, and is an invalid target for repairs.

Edit pg80. clearly states flyer bases are ignored except for the two presented situations (embarks and assaults)

Good point, seems like Warpsmiths can't repair Heldrakes at all, even in Hover mode as skimmers have a similar clause (RB p83).

I'm pretty sure the one the left page there is a clause that says a zooming flyer can not be within 1" from a model with its haul or base.

Had to check if helldrakes can hover. They can. Dear god.

WSN wrote:

 Exergy wrote:
not sure helturkeys can hover

but even while zooming a warpsmith can repair hull points if in base to base.

Are you sure about though, don't know page number off the top of my head, but a fliers base is ignored completely, which suggests it is never in B2B contact, and is an invalid target for repairs.

Edit pg80. clearly states flyer bases are ignored except for the two presented situations (embarks and assaults)

Read the header for the section that you're quoting. Its not as all inclusive as you believe.

Heldrakes with hover is very nice considering how durable they can be. It's risky though, since you give up vector strike and become an easier target.

It doesn't have to be in hover mode to be repaired. If the warpsmith can get into BtB with it while Zooming its perfectly allowed for him to repair it.

As others have mentioned previously, the flyer rules say that the flyer base is always ignored except for specificity listed times.

Repairing from warp smith is not one of them.

Even if he makes contact with a flyer base, he ignores the fact that he is contacting it.

 BarBoBot wrote:
As others have mentioned previously, the flyer rules say that the flyer base is always ignored except for specificity listed times.

The others are wrong. The rules for ignoring the flyer's base are under the header "Flyers And Measuring". Why are you using the rules for measuring if you're not measuring?

 Ghaz wrote:

 BarBoBot wrote:
As others have mentioned previously, the flyer rules say that the flyer base is always ignored except for specificity listed times.

The others are wrong. The rules for ignoring the flyer's base are under the header "Flyers And Measuring". Why are you using the rules for measuring if you're not measuring?

being in base to base is a measurement of distance. as there is no other way of checking if b2b other than, distance between to bases.

No, being in base to base contact is not a measurement of distance. It is an effect of touching the model's base, not measuring how far away it is.

Being BtB is something you either are or are not. it has nothing to do with measuring.

How can you use an ability that requires btb contact when you have to ignore the base?

If the base is ignored, I don't see how you can claim to be in btb. If your using the ability in btb, then your not ignoring the base.

 BarBoBot wrote:
How can you use an ability that requires btb contact when you have to ignore the base?

If the base is ignored, I don't see how you can claim to be in btb. If your using the ability in btb, then your not ignoring the base.

Because you are ignoring the fact that you only ignore the base for measuring as clearly noted by the fact that the rule you keep referencing is found under the "Flyers And Measuring" header. It is not a blanket rule that allows you to ignore the flyer's base whenever, only when measuring.

Yes, its under the heading flyers and measuring... which is completely relevant to this discussion.

There are 2 exceptions spelled out under that "heading" you keep referring to.

The 2 exceptions are that you dont ignore the base if;

1. you are allowed to get into btb with the flyer base, hull, or both to assault.

2. models may use the flyer base as an access point.

Both of those exceptions involve models needing btb contact to work, and they are exceptions to the normal flyer rules that say the base is ignored for all other purposes.

Please tell me how moving into btb for assault or embark is any different that moving in btb for a special ability...

Again, being in base contact is not measuring and thus your whole argument falls apart. Being in base contact is just that, having physical contact between the bases of the two models. It is not 'measuring'.

The problem is, one of the listed exceptions, close combat, is not specifically a measuring exception. It says models may get into b2b contact during close combat with either its base or hull. It does not say this is only for measuring charges. It would apply to pile-in moves, wargear, psychic powers, etc. Things that are not "measuring distances" per se.
I think it would not work, the way it is currently worded. It says "The base of a flier is effectively ignored, save for:" then lists the exceptions. I do not think the heading it is under effectively answers the question. For example, this interpretation would mean that bikes don't take dangerous terrain tests when charging through terrain, because it is listed under "Movement" and not the "Assault" section.