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Try me. What fictional universe could defeat 40k in a universe-on-universe battle?

Marvel universe or Batman single handedly...

Halo, the Master Chief is boss.

The Culture, effortlessly. The only question is whether a single ship would conquer the entire 40k universe by killing everything, or would the Mind find that too boring and engineer a more subtle change of leadership and eventual peace and happiness for the entire galaxy.

I think some of the EU for star wars might fare reasonably depending on how its retconned in the coming years

I don't think any of the other universes are as over-the-top, in general, as 40k, makes it hard for there to actually be any real opponents that could stand a chance. When you consider how big the galaxy is in 40k, with the Imperium and its +/- million planets, the untold billions of Guardsmen, the massive Imperial Navy, the Adeptus Astartes, Sororitas - that's just the Imperium on their own. When you start adding in 'nid Hive fleets (not splinters), the rampant, numberless Orkz, the Eldar & Dark Eldar, forces of Chaos & the Immaterium, the technologically brilliant Tau, Squats (huzzah!) and all the other races/species - don't think anyone else has a chance, frankly.

If I had to put down an opponent I think would win, then for a giggle I will be for the One Free Man - that's Gordon Freeman to you & me.

 Sparks_Havelock wrote:
Well if it's all of the races/species of the 40k universe vs., then I'd be amazed if another universe could even consider standing toe-to-toe with a universe that is filled with nothing but constant war.

A single Culture ship would do it effortlessly, and the only question is whether it would get bored of the whole thing before finishing the job. Really, 40k isn't even close to the high end of scifi power.

Fair enough (damn your eyes sir for slipping your post in whilst I was editting mine ), not particularly au fait with Iain Banks universe. But then does that not go too far in being over-the-top? 40k is ridiculously silly, I'm sure we all will be happy to admit, but it feels strangely justified in being as over the top as it is, but if one vessel from Iain Bank's universe can take out a whole galaxy, whose entire premise is for war, on it's own - isn't that too far?

 Sparks_Havelock wrote:
40k is ridiculously silly, I'm sure we all will be happy to admit, but it feels strangely justified in being as over the top as it is, but if one vessel from Iain Bank's universe can take out a whole galaxy, whose entire premise is for war, on it's own - isn't that too far?

Not really, because "destroy the entire galaxy in an epic war" isn't the point of the books. The whole point is that civilization has created the ultimate technological utopia, and let's see what conflicts happen when you get to that point. It's hardly entire books full of a single ship running around conquering galaxies.

And of course the Culture is hardly the only civilization that would consider the 40k universe a bug in need of squishing, they're just my favorite. There are plenty of others that would consider an entire galaxy to be a shamefully tiny civilization.

All of 40k at once? None. Assuming this means all factions are at full power, that means the Imperium alone would have a full-power Emperor and his twenty Primarchs and their nigh-invincible Legiones Astartes and Legiones Custodes, countless ships and soldiers from the Imperial Army, the god-machines of the Titan Legions, all equipped with unimaginable technology recovered from the Golden Age of Technology. Chaos would have its four Powers, and endless legions of immortal Daemons. The Tyranids would have the endless nightmare hordes which have consumed entire galaxies. The Eldar Empire would have technology so advanced that it borders on magic. The Orks would be invincible. The Tau...well, never mind. The Necrons would be the same as the Eldar, in possession of technologies bordering on the magical.

None could, 40k is just to big. its like the tactics of the ig, you maybe strong and our attacks may do didly, but add it all up and we got a whole bunch of didly.

Dr. Whos universe..

He would just let the Daleks finish their reality bomb.

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
Dr. Whos universe..

He would just let the Daleks finish their reality bomb.

I remember at least one Overlord capable of time travel...he could just flash back and prevent the bomb from being made.

EDIT: Or the Daleks from existing in the first place.

I am familiar with Dr. Who and i have to say I agree with Valerian on this one, even the daleks couldn't pull a job like this.
The 9th doctor posed a threat to a daleck with a gun that was a rough approximation of a lascannon at best and 9mm rounds penetrated the shield over the eye stalk. theres just no way even they could accomplish it.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
Dr. Whos universe..

He would just let the Daleks finish their reality bomb.

I remember at least one Overlord capable of time travel...he could just flash back and prevent the bomb from being made.

EDIT: Or the Daleks from existing in the first place.

LOL... the DR. would just sonic screwdriver the Overlord, and chuckle about silly toasters should not dabble in time travel, then eat a jelly baby. His race is call the TIMELORDS for a reason, and its universe vrs. universe.

Not even talking about them doing one person at a time...they built a bomb that used planets to power it, to destroy reality. REALITY, not small potatoes here with people shooting pistols at eyestalks...

(sorry buddy the Who universe wrote the book on time warfare , that would be like the Who universe getting in a who can shout heresy more compitition with the 40k universe..which the 40k universe would win easily.)

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
Dr. Whos universe..

He would just let the Daleks finish their reality bomb.

I remember at least one Overlord capable of time travel...he could just flash back and prevent the bomb from being made.

EDIT: Or the Daleks from existing in the first place.

LOL... the DR. would just sonic screwdriver the Overlord, and chuckle about silly toasters should not dabble in time travel, then eat a jelly baby. His race is call the TIMELORDS for a reason, and its universe vrs. universe.

(sorry buddy the Who universe wrote the book on time warfare , that would be like the Who universe getting in a who can shout heresy more compitition with the 40k universe..which the 40k universe would win easily.)

That last part did not make sense to me

There's also the Stormlord, who cannot be beaten by anyone with a shred of logic since said Overlord is supposed to have complete mastery of logic.

I believe either Marvel or Superman in our solar system could do it. Assuming there is no-one packing Kryptonite.

Or Batman. The answer is always Batman.

 Deadshot wrote:
I believe either Marvel or Superman in our solar system could do it. Assuming there is no-one packing Kryptonite.

Or Batman. The answer is always Batman.

Ever heard of a guy named Konrad Curze?

 Peregrine wrote:
The Culture, effortlessly. The only question is whether a single ship would conquer the entire 40k universe by killing everything, or would the Mind find that too boring and engineer a more subtle change of leadership and eventual peace and happiness for the entire galaxy.

This.

Though there is a real danger that any given Mind might get stuck in an eternal loop of gravitas-jokes upon confronting the 40K-verse.

The Culture..

I would love to see a war between the Arachnids from Starship Troopers and the Tyranids though....a warrior bug race that has intelligence, versus a warrior bug race that has an overall hive-mind...

Batman, he can has beating universes before.

Dr. Who Universe simpy becuase it is on a bigger scale than the 40k, one Galaxy mythos Vs a multi Universe Mythos. Com e to think of it that also gives Marvelverse an edge.


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 washout77 wrote:
The Culture..

I would love to see a war between the Arachnids from Starship Troopers and the Tyranids though....a warrior bug race that has intelligence, versus a warrior bug race that has an overall hive-mind...

Book or Movie? As the bugs were pretty different. Book was closer to nids' than the movie one, though all three are hive mindy.

barnowl wrote:
Batman, he can has beating universes before.

Dude, Konrad Curze is Batman.

My concern would be Batman and Curze joining together, then it's game over for everyone else.

 CrashCanuck wrote:
My concern would be Batman and Curze joining together, then it's game over for everyone else.

Oh come on, what's the worst that could happen (runs for the bomb shelter)?

barnowl wrote:

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 washout77 wrote:
The Culture..

I would love to see a war between the Arachnids from Starship Troopers and the Tyranids though....a warrior bug race that has intelligence, versus a warrior bug race that has an overall hive-mind...

Book or Movie? As the bugs were pretty different. Book was closer to nids' than the movie one, though all three are hive mindy.

Hmm....both would be pretty interesting...It's been a while since I read the book though

As it hasn't come up yet, gonna throw in the "obligatory" Goku option.

In seriousness though, its a toughie. Mass effects being debated in another thread but they're a likely choice. As for the who-verse id nominate the Weeping Angels. Also could think of several SCP's id like to see dropped into the 40k-verse for shiggles hehe. The problem is its an over the top verse played as a serious one, so it literaly becomes "well i have an ultimate weapon +1" then +2, +3 etc. Think the way to look at it is who else stupidly over the top and armoured by badass is there to do it? Id say assemble the likes of Duke nukem, serious sam, matt hazard etc, arm them to the teeth and throw them into the Imperium, see what happens.

That or Kamina and the Gurren Lagaan. Only other thing i can think of that takes "rule of cool" as one of the laws of reality.

the halo universe. not the spartans or humanity or covies. in' flood. they would relentlessly spread

I guess you did say 'fictional' universes, because I was gonna say OUR universe has Chuck Norris.

Dc universe, green lantern corps would lay waste to fleets and titan legions alike.

On a side note the men in black universe could have a go if they elaborated on exactly what kind of space farring ships they possessed, i mean look at the noisy cricket, would blow the side of a landraider right open

I'd presume that there are many, many settings that have some sort of silly OTT superkiller weapon or character power. Hell, some versions of 40k have such things, too. Is this really a discussion worth having? Just feels like a game of "mine is longer!" to me.

amanita wrote:I guess you did say 'fictional' universes, because I was gonna say OUR universe has Chuck Norris.

I'm sorry, didn't you get the memo? Chuck Norris stopped being cool in 2009.

We could settle on Mister T, if you wish.