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 Kaldor wrote:

 prophet102 wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:

 prophet102 wrote:
I read almost every halo book and many black library books. But they never really answered my question. So I do know a lot of background. And in conclusion im almost positive the Marine would face stomp the Spartan.

Oh please, tell me how this one 7 foot tall superhuman is so obviously superior to this other 7 foot tall superhuman?

Hes bigger, superior enhancements, and more experience

I thought you said you'd read the expanded lore for Halo?

A Marine is not bigger, his enhancements are on-par, and experience certainly plateaus after a relatively short amount of time.

They are bigger. They are more barrel chested and more muscular. Not taller. But bigger. And the enhancements are better. 2 hearts 3 lungs, a chest plate, spit acid, lymans ear and many more. Marines cn take a much heavier beating.

 Necroshea wrote:
Here's an idea, strictly going by the games

There's your first problem.

 prophet102 wrote:
They are bigger. They are more barrel chested and more muscular. Not taller. But bigger.

Says who? Spartans weigh in at ~450 pounds. They are both huge units. The rounded 'barrel-chested' appearance of marines comes from the oversized, heroic scale, rounded chest armour they wear.

And the enhancements are better. 2 hearts 3 lungs, a chest plate, spit acid, lymans ear and many more. Marines cn take a much heavier beating.

The enhancements are comparable. Spartans have all sorts of modifications to artificially increase muscle mass, but also alter muscle type, processing fuel faster and making more efficient use of oxygen. They also have reaction speeds up to three times faster than Marines, who have no upgrades to their reflexes at all.

At the end of the day, they're both superhuman warriors of a similar size and similar capabilities. Blathering on about how it's no contest, and Marines will win every time is just blatant fanboyism.

 Kaldor wrote:

 prophet102 wrote:
They are bigger. They are more barrel chested and more muscular. Not taller. But bigger.

Says who? Spartans weigh in at ~450 pounds. They are both huge units. The rounded 'barrel-chested' appearance of marines comes from the oversized, heroic scale, rounded chest armour they wear.

And the enhancements are better. 2 hearts 3 lungs, a chest plate, spit acid, lymans ear and many more. Marines cn take a much heavier beating.

The enhancements are comparable. Spartans have all sorts of modifications to artificially increase muscle mass, but also alter muscle type, processing fuel faster and making more efficient use of oxygen. They also have reaction speeds up to three times faster than Marines, who have no upgrades to their reflexes at all.

At the end of the day, they're both superhuman warriors of a similar size and similar capabilities. Blathering on about how it's no contest, and Marines will win every time is just blatant fanboyism.

Im not saying that they will win every time. But they have advantage.

Spartans still have human proportions. So they are really just slightly taller humans.

Marines have different proportions all together, being much broader. This gives them more muscle mass in all the key areas.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Spartans still have human proportions. So they are really just slightly taller humans.

Marines have different proportions all together, being much broader. This gives them more muscle mass in all the key areas.

Exactly my point. And what is the second one there? it is too pixelated so i cant read the label

Thats a very tall Basketball player. It shows human proportions at the height of a marine.

 Kaldor wrote:

 prophet102 wrote:
They are bigger. They are more barrel chested and more muscular. Not taller. But bigger.

Says who? Spartans weigh in at ~450 pounds. They are both huge units. The rounded 'barrel-chested' appearance of marines comes from the oversized, heroic scale, rounded chest armour they wear.

And the enhancements are better. 2 hearts 3 lungs, a chest plate, spit acid, lymans ear and many more. Marines cn take a much heavier beating.

The enhancements are comparable. Spartans have all sorts of modifications to artificially increase muscle mass, but also alter muscle type, processing fuel faster and making more efficient use of oxygen. They also have reaction speeds up to three times faster than Marines, who have no upgrades to their reflexes at all.

At the end of the day, they're both superhuman warriors of a similar size and similar capabilities. Blathering on about how it's no contest, and Marines will win every time is just blatant fanboyism.

God you are tiring anyway. Going logically please take a look at a Spartans head. Even theyre head looks like it conforms to a thinner body. Muscle mass isnt everything either. To fit an the many differant organs added to a Space Marine theyre chest is going to have to get a bit bigger. As far as I know Spartans get taller perhaps a bit wider. But they dont get the barrel chested bulk of a Marine.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Spartans still have human proportions. So they are really just slightly taller humans.

Marines have different proportions all together, being much broader. This gives them more muscle mass in all the key areas.

Not canon, and more importantly not even consistent. Look at the lats on the marine without armour, and compare them to the top of the chest armour on the right. There is no way that over-exaggerated marine would fit in that armour, and even if it would the armour itself is drawn directly from the heroic scaled 40K models.


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Prism962 wrote:
But they dont get the barrel chested bulk of a Marine.

Why not?

Careful, your fanboyism is showing.

If im a fanboy im a fanboy of both. I was introduced to the Halo universe long before the 40k universe and a spartan wouldnt have that bulk as its not needed. In fact Id say its a hindrance in some cases. Other than for things where that size may be useful for instance in a fist fight at times. At other times it would most likely make you slower and less agile, also a bigger target on the field. A spartan doesn't have any organs added into his torso. Yes the spartan has muscular enhancements and bone enhancements. However looking at the representation of the Spartans in video games they are still very close to human proportions even when armoured. If you look at the armour especially in halo 4 as well, you can see sections that are just what appears to be a skin tight glove in many places. From that point you can easily picture a Spartans physique without armour. A Space Marine is trickier. But going from simply design. What would be the point of having the armour added substantial girth to the marine in the form of his width. Yes it will push you out a bit as it is think armour. But would it really make your shoulders that much wider and give you that much of a chest? Oh and by the way, your fanboyism is showing.

Prism962 wrote:

If im a fanboy im a fanboy of both. I was introduced to the Halo universe long before the 40k universe and a spartan wouldnt have that bulk as its not needed. In fact Id say its a hindrance in some cases. Other than for things where that size may be useful for instance in a fist fight at times. At other times it would most likely make you slower and less agile, also a bigger target on the field. A spartan doesn't have any organs added into his torso. Yes the spartan has muscular enhancements and bone enhancements. However looking at the representation of the Spartans in video games they are still very close to human proportions even when armoured. If you look at the armour especially in halo 4 as well, you can see sections that are just what appears to be a skin tight glove in many places. From that point you can easily picture a Spartans physique without armour. A Space Marine is trickier. But going from simply design. What would be the point of having the armour added substantial girth to the marine in the form of his width. Yes it will push you out a bit as it is think armour. But would it really make your shoulders that much wider and give you that much of a chest? Oh and by the way, your fanboyism is showing.

See, what you're doing it starting with your conclusion, and then searching to find reasons to support it. It's a bad way of doing business, and it loses you credibility.

So basically what I've heard so far is that spartans are genetically enhanced with heightened reflexes, 400% vs 100%, Also, they are about 1.5 times faster, which means their muscle mass is more effecient, asssuming they don't train specifically for running. They also have slightly augmented inteligence. They have less muscle mass, but this is made up for in effeciency

Astartes have numerous trick organs and redundancies. This makes them better in a protracted fistfight, a war of localized attrition. His blows would be able to be ore numerous to oxygen use.

Each is best at his own trade, spec ops vs localized attrition. If it was in a plain white room, 20 by 20, id give it to the marine 75- 25

If it was in a forest(no scavenging), Id give it to the spartan 75-25

If it was 2 squads in a 100 by 100 room, with a roomwide balcony, spartans slight advantage. 60-40

If it was 2 squads in a forest, no scavenging, spartans would crush them 85-15

FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote:
So basically what I've heard so far is that spartans are genetically enhanced with heightened reflexes, 400% vs 100%, Also, they are about 1.5 times faster, which means their muscle mass is more effecient, asssuming they don't train specifically for running. They also have slightly augmented inteligence. They have less muscle mass, but this is made up for in effeciency

Astartes have numerous trick organs and redundancies. This makes them better in a protracted fistfight, a war of localized attrition. His blows would be able to be ore numerous to oxygen use.

Each is best at his own trade, spec ops vs localized attrition. If it was in a plain white room, 20 by 20, id give it to the marine 75- 25

If it was in a forest(no scavenging), Id give it to the spartan 75-25

If it was 2 squads in a 100 by 100 room, with a roomwide balcony, spartans slight advantage. 60-40

If it was 2 squads in a forest, no scavenging, spartans would crush them 85-15

Eh? Weren't space marines supposed to be spec ops? Guard are for attrition, I thought marines were the get in get out force.

 Necroshea wrote:

FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote:
So basically what I've heard so far is that spartans are genetically enhanced with heightened reflexes, 400% vs 100%, Also, they are about 1.5 times faster, which means their muscle mass is more effecient, asssuming they don't train specifically for running. They also have slightly augmented inteligence. They have less muscle mass, but this is made up for in effeciency

Astartes have numerous trick organs and redundancies. This makes them better in a protracted fistfight, a war of localized attrition. His blows would be able to be ore numerous to oxygen use.

Each is best at his own trade, spec ops vs localized attrition. If it was in a plain white room, 20 by 20, id give it to the marine 75- 25

If it was in a forest(no scavenging), Id give it to the spartan 75-25

If it was 2 squads in a 100 by 100 room, with a roomwide balcony, spartans slight advantage. 60-40

If it was 2 squads in a forest, no scavenging, spartans would crush them 85-15

Eh? Weren't space marines supposed to be spec ops? Guard are for attrition, I thought marines were the get in get out force.

Space Marines are more of heavy shock troops that also carry out Spec Ops missions. They are a flexable toolbox that can do just about anything.

 Necroshea wrote:
Pound for pound, I think it's safe to say an Ork is tougher than, say, an elite

Why?

 Grey Templar wrote:


Space Marines are more of heavy shock troops that also carry out Spec Ops missions. They are a flexable toolbox that can do just about anything.

And spartans are....

(Protip; they're the same thing.)

I've always thought of a Spartan being equivalent to a Storm Trooper. Storm Troopers are the absolute best humanity has to offer that aren't Astartes. Check their fluff, they're actually pretty baddass. So, by this logic, I reckon a 10th company scout could handle a Spartan and a full marine would stomp one.


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Note: This is just my opinion and I have no intention of getting drawn into a useless argument about it. Feel free to disagree with me, publicly if you must.

 Kaldor wrote:

Prism962 wrote:

If im a fanboy im a fanboy of both. I was introduced to the Halo universe long before the 40k universe and a spartan wouldnt have that bulk as its not needed. In fact Id say its a hindrance in some cases. Other than for things where that size may be useful for instance in a fist fight at times. At other times it would most likely make you slower and less agile, also a bigger target on the field. A spartan doesn't have any organs added into his torso. Yes the spartan has muscular enhancements and bone enhancements. However looking at the representation of the Spartans in video games they are still very close to human proportions even when armoured. If you look at the armour especially in halo 4 as well, you can see sections that are just what appears to be a skin tight glove in many places. From that point you can easily picture a Spartans physique without armour. A Space Marine is trickier. But going from simply design. What would be the point of having the armour added substantial girth to the marine in the form of his width. Yes it will push you out a bit as it is think armour. But would it really make your shoulders that much wider and give you that much of a chest? Oh and by the way, your fanboyism is showing.

See, what you're doing it starting with your conclusion, and then searching to find reasons to support it. It's a bad way of doing business, and it loses you credibility.

Im making a statement and then supporting it. In the writing world if I was writing a paper id call it a my thesis with my topic sentences. This would be akin to an intro paragraph. But id pull out much of the detail to save for later parts of the paper. So no. Its not a conclusion.

http://dagobah.net/flash/Space_Marines_vs_Spartans.swf
Basically this.
Its funny because its so bloody true lol. I killed 2000 on my first run.

So thats the answer to the lore question.
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Marines.
Every bloody time.

 TheCaptain wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:


Space Marines are more of heavy shock troops that also carry out Spec Ops missions. They are a flexable toolbox that can do just about anything.

And spartans are....

(Protip; they're the same thing.)

I never said they weren't. I was correcting someone elses slight misinformation.

 Guardsman Bane wrote:
I've always thought of a Spartan being equivalent to a Storm Trooper. Storm Troopers are the absolute best humanity has to offer that aren't Astartes. Check their fluff, they're actually pretty baddass. So, by this logic, I reckon a 10th company scout could handle a Spartan and a full marine would stomp one.


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Note: This is just my opinion and I have no intention of getting drawn into a useless argument about it. Feel free to disagree with me, publicly if you must.

A stormtrooper?

Sure. Personally, I think Astartes are the equivalent of Stormtroopers from Star Wars.

 Kaldor wrote:


Sure. Personally, I think Astartes are the equivalent of Stormtroopers from Star Wars.

You...you might be on to something there.

 Asherian Command wrote:
http://dagobah.net/flash/Space_Marines_vs_Spartans.swf
Basically this.
Its funny because its so bloody true lol. I killed 2000 on my first run.

So thats the answer to the lore question.
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Marines.
Every bloody time.

So much no.

1000x no.

The spartans aren't even remotely scale! Also, they should be able to take like 4 bolter shots

To be honest this is after all 40k forum and on 40k forum Warhammer 40k wins 99% of the times when compared to something. Same goes for HALO forums where HALO wins 99% of the time because people don't know anything about other universes ( I have read for example that SPARTAN would prevail against Astartes because they have better fighting spirit ).

That's why we need to find someone who knows everything about those two, and I think this post nails it down. It was written by fan of both 40k and Halo:

"Most people say Spartans because they don't know what 40k is.
Let me give everyone a basic rundown of abilities, disposition, and weapons:
Spartans: genetically enhanced humans. Usually 7 ft tall, if memory serves me correctly. If we take the best Spartan-II, the Chief, and look at his armor as an example of the best Spartan armor, we get a shield that can absorb a set amount of damage. The amount varies with the fluff/games, but in general let's say that it can absorb ~two clips from an SMG at medium range before blowing out. His armor provides a good layer of backup protection, but without his shield the Chief isn't nearly as good. Under a sustained barrage of bullets, it will buckle. His armament consists mainly of simple projectile based weaponry to anti-tank weaponry like the Spartan laser and the SPANKR rocket launcher to heavy antipersonnel in the sniper rifle. They have been known to utilize Covenant tech, which consists of Energy Swords, plasma guns, fuel rod cannons, needlers, and several other energy based weapons. He is much faster than a human in hand to hand, and is equal in physical power to an Elite, at least in the short run.
Now, let us examine a Space Marine.
A member of the Adeptus Astartes is, on average, 8 feet tall and nearly twice as wide as a Spartan without armor, three times with. The height ranges dramatically, depending on the chapter and primarch from whence they are descended (e.g. SW are huge and feral, DA maybe not so much, etc etc), as well as predisposed genetics before they were chosen for the rituals to become an Astartes. They are the fastest human warriors in hand to hand without armor, and even more OP with it. Their armor augments their strength - let's say they can bench 1k without armor. 2-3 k with armor. Ceramite armor can last direct exposure (e.g. being dunked) to molten magma for several seconds (5+) before breaching. Their weaponry consists of mini rocket launchers in bolters - for those of you familiar with Halo, imagine a semi-auto Brute Shot with appx. 20 rounds in a clip (debatable, some sources say more) - for a base weapon, melta guns as a medium to short range shotgun that can melt through the thickest tank armor out there (imagine a Halo shotgun if every pellet did energy sword-level damage), lascannons (imagine a Spartan Sniper as a laser beam that holds anti-tank capabilities, being able to scythe through tank armor like cheese if used properly), rocket launchers (let's just keep this at a similar level to SPANKRs), power weapons (which again can cut through tank armor), and large ridiculously OP hammers that can literally smash tanks up (like I said, literally).
In conclusion: a SM is bigger, stronger, not faster (due to bulk of armor, we'll give this one to the Spartan), has superior tech, and can fight with half his brain blown out. SM wins every time.
Also, this debate has been done to death on most forums online. Just google warhammer vs. halo, space marine vs. spartan, space marine vs. jedi (if you're interested), etc etc etc.
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fan of both, just think that there's no way Spartans could ever prevail without a decided advantage"

Witch just proves what I said earlier, SPARTAN has superior speed and that's about it - in everything else he is outclassed, especially in close combat and Heavy Armor area.

This is just painful.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
the best Spartan-II, the Chief

Wrong.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
A member of the Adeptus Astartes is, on average, 8 feet tall

Wrong.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
and nearly twice as wide as a Spartan without armor

Wrong.

The author of that piece has already lost his credibility, especially when he goes on to say "Oh, Marines are strong and their armour makes them stronger" like Spartans aren't just as strong and don't have powered armour that enhances their strength as well. Sheesh.

Spartan powered armour has nothing on Astartes armour by feats, nor does the superhuman inside it compare, honestly.

Astartes have superior feats of reaction and striking speed, lengthier and more intense training ,greater feats of endurance and durability, and their strength is undeniably greater.

ScreamPaste wrote:
Spartan powered armour has nothing on Astartes armour by feats, nor does the superhuman inside it compare, honestly.

Astartes have superior feats of reaction and striking speed, lengthier and more intense training ,greater feats of endurance and durability, and their strength is undeniably greater.

Careful, Kaldor's gonna bite your head off because your Fanboyisim is showing(His does does too)

ScreamPaste wrote:
Spartan powered armour has nothing on Astartes armour by feats, nor does the superhuman inside it compare, honestly.

Astartes have superior feats of reaction and striking speed, lengthier and more intense training ,greater feats of endurance and durability, and their strength is undeniably greater.

*sigh*

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

What Astartes implant enhances reaction time and reflexes? None. When has an Astartes fallen from orbit and walked away from it? Never. When has an Astartes bitch-slapped an incoming surface-to-air missile out of the air and survived? Never.

It was a ground attack (air to ground) missile, not a surface to air missile if you're talking about the one John slapped away whilst "training".