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I forgot my personal favorite: the star pulse generator, the Necron version of the Nova Cannon. Unsaveable by holo-fields too. True, you still have to roll to hit unlike the Nova Cannon, but free rolls to hit against any unit in the AoE? Yes, please.

Durandal wrote:


When the Eldar empire was at its height, they were able to force the Necrons into hiding, but if you compare stellar engineering both are about equal.

This is incorrect. The Necrons were exhausted after defeating the Old Ones, but its not that they couldn't defeat the Eldar. The Silent King was just tired of war and too full of grief at what his people had become.

Actually it depends what version you want to use. You could go with Matt Ward (great with fluff to rules and the mechanics of the game, but imo a rather terribad fluff writer), in which they were weakened after fighting the C'tan etc, or the older (and imo opinion) more awesome reason that was the Enslaver Plague.

BlackSanguinor wrote:
Actually it depends what version you want to use. You could go with Matt Ward (great with fluff to rules and the mechanics of the game, but imo a rather terribad fluff writer), in which they were weakened after fighting the C'tan etc, or the older (and imo opinion) more awesome reason that was the Enslaver Plague.

I'm going with the latter, since its more in line with the Necron fluff regarding their fleets in BFG.

Well if we're just choosing which fluff we like better then I choose that the Eldar have THE best tech over anybody because that fits with their origional backstory more than the half baked Necron garbage they came up with to shoe horn Necrons into the game in later years.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

BlackSanguinor wrote:
Actually it depends what version you want to use. You could go with Matt Ward (great with fluff to rules and the mechanics of the game, but imo a rather terribad fluff writer), in which they were weakened after fighting the C'tan etc, or the older (and imo opinion) more awesome reason that was the Enslaver Plague.

I'm going with the latter, since its more in line with the Necron fluff regarding their fleets in BFG.

Well, the Enslaver plague was't fully retconned, as it talks about "The calamitous warpspawned horrors they(Old Ones) unleashed" which to me alludes to the enslavers. It's just no longer the primary reason that the Necrons went into Hibernation.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Well if we're just choosing which fluff we like better then I choose that the Eldar have THE best tech over anybody because that fits with their origional backstory more than the half baked Necron garbage they came up with to shoe horn Necrons into the game in later years.

Someone sounds butthurt

No offense man, but one of your earlier comments on this thread seem to imply you consider the Necrons as having stolen the Eldar's thunder, so to speak, and as a result are now the underdogs of the setting. Regarding the latter, I assure you that is not true. Humans are the underdogs of the setting, as shown by how far the Guard and Navy have to go to keep up with the enemy.

 Sasori wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

BlackSanguinor wrote:
Actually it depends what version you want to use. You could go with Matt Ward (great with fluff to rules and the mechanics of the game, but imo a rather terribad fluff writer), in which they were weakened after fighting the C'tan etc, or the older (and imo opinion) more awesome reason that was the Enslaver Plague.

I'm going with the latter, since its more in line with the Necron fluff regarding their fleets in BFG.

Well, the Enslaver plague was't fully retconned, as it talks about "The calamitous warpspawned horrors they(Old Ones) unleashed" which to me alludes to the enslavers. It's just no longer the primary reason that the Necrons went into Hibernation.

Well, despite our personal preferences, fluff is fluff, and there's nothing we can do about (says I, though its only probably because the Necron fleet in BFG was untouched by the 5th Edition changes). Personally, I believe the reason the Necrons went into hibernation wasn't because they couldn't defeat the Eldar by themselves, but rather the Silent King did not believe they could under his leadership. The proof for this theory of mine is that he came back to reunite the Necrons against the Tyranids, a force that far surpasses even the ancient Eldar Empire considering they've consumed many other galaxies before this one and I for one do not believe that other civilizations have not existed in other galaxies that were not on par or superior to the ancient Eldar. If the Silent King believes a reunited Necron Empire can stand against the Tyranids, then it stands to reason they could have stood against the Eldar; the Silent King simply did not try or had the proper motivation at the time.

In 40k then its necrons although their abilities to reproduce their technology is up for debate, necrons versus pre fall eldar might be a better argument


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 Admiral Valerian wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Well if we're just choosing which fluff we like better then I choose that the Eldar have THE best tech over anybody because that fits with their origional backstory more than the half baked Necron garbage they came up with to shoe horn Necrons into the game in later years.

Someone sounds butthurt

No offense man, but one of your earlier comments on this thread seem to imply you consider the Necrons as having stolen the Eldar's thunder, so to speak, and as a result are now the underdogs of the setting. Regarding the latter, I assure you that is not true. Humans are the underdogs of the setting, as shown by how far the Guard and Navy have to go to keep up with the enemy.

 Sasori wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

BlackSanguinor wrote:
Actually it depends what version you want to use. You could go with Matt Ward (great with fluff to rules and the mechanics of the game, but imo a rather terribad fluff writer), in which they were weakened after fighting the C'tan etc, or the older (and imo opinion) more awesome reason that was the Enslaver Plague.

I'm going with the latter, since its more in line with the Necron fluff regarding their fleets in BFG.

Well, the Enslaver plague was't fully retconned, as it talks about "The calamitous warpspawned horrors they(Old Ones) unleashed" which to me alludes to the enslavers. It's just no longer the primary reason that the Necrons went into Hibernation.

Well, despite our personal preferences, fluff is fluff, and there's nothing we can do about (says I, though its only probably because the Necron fleet in BFG was untouched by the 5th Edition changes). Personally, I believe the reason the Necrons went into hibernation wasn't because they couldn't defeat the Eldar by themselves, but rather the Silent King did not believe they could under his leadership. The proof for this theory of mine is that he came back to reunite the Necrons against the Tyranids, a force that far surpasses even the ancient Eldar Empire considering they've considered many other galaxies before this one and I for one do not believe that other civilizations have not existed in other galaxies that were not on par or superior to the ancient Eldar. If the Silent King believes a reunited Necron Empire can stand against the Tyranids, then it stands to reason they could have stood against the Eldar; the Silent King simply did not try or had the proper motivation at the time.

you said fluff is fluff yet you state with certainty that the tyranids destroyed other civilizations in other galaxies which their is no basis for in the current tyranid fluff.....even in their codex it says that its not sure if they have left barren galaxies in their travels or if they are merely running from a more dire threat

Regardless, the sheer size of the Tyranid fleets closing on the galaxy makes them a far more dangerous enemy than even the ancient Eldar.

Canonically the Necrontyr always had superior technology to the Old Ones, the Old Ones held their own by having absurdly powerful psykers; extrapolating from this it seems likely that the Necrons have superior technology to the Eldar.

Well, despite our personal preferences, fluff is fluff, and there's nothing we can do about (says I, though its only probably because the Necron fleet in BFG was untouched by the 5th Edition changes). Personally, I believe the reason the Necrons went into hibernation wasn't because they couldn't defeat the Eldar by themselves, but rather the Silent King did not believe they could under his leadership. The proof for this theory of mine is that he came back to reunite the Necrons against the Tyranids, a force that far surpasses even the ancient Eldar Empire considering they've consumed many other galaxies before this one and I for one do not believe that other civilizations have not existed in other galaxies that were not on par or superior to the ancient Eldar. If the Silent King believes a reunited Necron Empire can stand against the Tyranids, then it stands to reason they could have stood against the Eldar; the Silent King simply did not try or had the proper motivation at the time.

What personal preference are you talking about? Nothing I've said is against the fluff.... I said the enslaver plague wasn't fully retconned, as per the 5th edition codex. Not quite sure what you were getting at with your comments.

Well if we arn't accepting that the eldars warp trickery counts as tech then i'd say dark eldar win, albeit i am biased as i play them

Dark eldar manipulate the webway with a mastery way beyond CE and Necrons, when either go into the webway its only for a short time because they are either scared of whats in the webway or they are scared of the DE. If its the former then the dark eldar have mastered the thing the others are scared of.

We still keep the power to extinguish suns and like the necrons we have the tech to 'turn off the lights' of an area using tech alone. Dark light is an energy only the dark eldar have harnessed, that must count for something, as well as keeping suns as an infinate energy source just above your home of impossible diamensions.

Soul tech is incredibly advanced and another thing no one else has mastered. Eldar have soul tech but dont know how they work with out using psykers. Portable webway gates, mirrors which shatter anything inside them, regeneration (practically true immortality, beats being a statue with no c*ck), cloning, photonic transubstantiation (turning into light to go FTL across the universe), dont even ask about how Commarragh even works! Did i mention black wholes in a box?

i dont know to much necron fluff but what do you have that beats that? You have a room that can make the universe go poof you say? DAM YOU MATT WARD!!!! Sounds like the grey knights pandora's box they have stashed away which could end the universe. But apart from that what consistant tech have they got which beats the eldars consistant tech?

 Sasori wrote:

Well, despite our personal preferences, fluff is fluff, and there's nothing we can do about (says I, though its only probably because the Necron fleet in BFG was untouched by the 5th Edition changes). Personally, I believe the reason the Necrons went into hibernation wasn't because they couldn't defeat the Eldar by themselves, but rather the Silent King did not believe they could under his leadership. The proof for this theory of mine is that he came back to reunite the Necrons against the Tyranids, a force that far surpasses even the ancient Eldar Empire considering they've consumed many other galaxies before this one and I for one do not believe that other civilizations have not existed in other galaxies that were not on par or superior to the ancient Eldar. If the Silent King believes a reunited Necron Empire can stand against the Tyranids, then it stands to reason they could have stood against the Eldar; the Silent King simply did not try or had the proper motivation at the time.

What personal preference are you talking about? Nothing I've said is against the fluff.... I said the enslaver plague wasn't fully retconned, as per the 5th edition codex. Not quite sure what you were getting at with your comments.

The personal preference regards the new changes in the Necron fluff.

Can I vote tau in 20years?

@Admiral Valerian. I grew up with Eldar fluff before the Necrons were even in the game. Eldar ARE the masters of the galaxy when it comes to technology. They always have been. For billions of years they were and are so far above everyone else that they make tech look like magic as far as the rest of the races in the galaxy are concerned. They built the most fantastic structures in the galaxy. They created the most awesome technological wonders. They built pyramids on their worlds that were destroyed in the fall and can be seen the artwork from back then. They had the ability to bring their guys back to life in the form of constructs called Wraithguard.

Enter the Necrons...origionally a few flying bugs that looked like egyptian scarabs and a few guys that reminded us of terminators in the terminator movies.

A few years later, it isn't the Eldar that did all those incredible things and left all of those pyramids around and made their dead warriors come back in the form of constructs...no...it was the necrons....They are really the ones that did all of those cool things and have the best tech and are the masters of anti gravity technology and blah blah blah....

No matter how you want to spin it, the invention of the necron race DID steal the eldar thunder. Eldar were the force to fear in 40k 2nd edition. Now they are laughable as a danger to anyone.

I hate that GW decided to change their fluff and then change it again. They need to leave the fluff alone and just write it well in the first place. Necrons didn't have to copy the Eldar. They could have been so much more than a stolen idea.

Considering I am one of the people that GW did a dis service to with the Squats, I'm not happy whey they try again with Eldar. I have a right to be angry and call it butt hurt or whatever you want, the bottom line is Necrons are hacks and have been since 3rd edition. They should have left them as the Terminators that they origionally were.

@Roadkill Zombie

Sorry if I caused offense, it seems I took too much amusement out of your earlier comment. I assure you though, that Eldar are not laughable foes as far as I am concerned, because in space they can and will run circles around my ships and cause my most powerful weapons to explode harmlessly in space and force me to resort to Napoleonic Wars-era tactics while they run around firing off shots with all but no fear of retribution.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:

Considering I am one of the people that GW did a dis service to with the Squats, I'm not happy whey they try again with Eldar. I have a right to be angry and call it butt hurt or whatever you want, the bottom line is Necrons are hacks and have been since 3rd edition. They should have left them as the Terminators that they origionally were.

Didn't squats get removed because the guy who came up with them left GW and took the ideas/concepts for the squats with him?

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
@Admiral Valerian. I grew up with Eldar fluff before the Necrons were even in the game. Eldar ARE the masters of the galaxy when it comes to technology. They always have been. For billions of years they were and are so far above everyone else that they make tech look like magic as far as the rest of the races in the galaxy are concerned. They built the most fantastic structures in the galaxy. They created the most awesome technological wonders. They built pyramids on their worlds that were destroyed in the fall and can be seen the artwork from back then. They had the ability to bring their guys back to life in the form of constructs called Wraithguard.

Enter the Necrons...origionally a few flying bugs that looked like egyptian scarabs and a few guys that reminded us of terminators in the terminator movies.

A few years later, it isn't the Eldar that did all those incredible things and left all of those pyramids around and made their dead warriors come back in the form of constructs...no...it was the necrons....They are really the ones that did all of those cool things and have the best tech and are the masters of anti gravity technology and blah blah blah....

No matter how you want to spin it, the invention of the necron race DID steal the eldar thunder. Eldar were the force to fear in 40k 2nd edition. Now they are laughable as a danger to anyone.

I hate that GW decided to change their fluff and then change it again. They need to leave the fluff alone and just write it well in the first place. Necrons didn't have to copy the Eldar. They could have been so much more than a stolen idea.

Considering I am one of the people that GW did a dis service to with the Squats, I'm not happy whey they try again with Eldar. I have a right to be angry and call it butt hurt or whatever you want, the bottom line is Necrons are hacks and have been since 3rd edition. They should have left them as the Terminators that they origionally were.

Nope, pre-heresy tech is on par with them! ( )

Eldar can get more out of a smaller package
necrons with good armorsaves look well rather armored and hulking. Eldar get it just out of more advanced materials that react to force.
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