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angryboy2k wrote:

Here you go:

 chris_valera wrote:
I'm having fun over at the Gates of Antares official forums:
<SNIP>

I am going to laugh so hard when this thing fething fails.

"Here we are / We sail on a ship made of dreams / Going fething nowhere..."

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

To be fair, Chris does a lot of trolling anyway. This is a post of him gloating that he's going to troll elsewhere. He's hardly representative of those of us who would like it to succeed but find the campaign flawed (Buzzsaw, Zwei, Alph, myself, etc)...

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
As for the game itself, what's going to make or break it for me is the models. Other guys at my store are showing interest in it (including some VERY die hard 40k players) so a good miniature line is what will sell me on it. The heavy reliance on drones worries me, as I'd like to use 100% human forces if possible. Maybe they'll have a rebel/wastelander/pirate faction that can't afford drones though. That would probably be the push I need to go in.

You don't *have* to use Drones for anyone. The example lists they put up don't use any drones at all. If you're looking for more of a rebel/wastelander faction then you'd be looking at the Freeborn, a loose alliance of smaller worlds that can't really interface properly with the high end technology like the Wardrones.

 endtransmission wrote:


You don't *have* to use Drones for anyone. The example lists they put up don't use any drones at all. If you're looking for more of a rebel/wastelander faction then you'd be looking at the Freeborn, a loose alliance of smaller worlds that can't really interface properly with the high end technology like the Wardrones.

Doesn't change the fact that you still get shipped 40 drones with each Feeder pledge.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Doesn't change the fact that you still get shipped 40 drones with each Feeder pledge.

Yeah, it'd make more sense to just add more credits with which to buy drones or something else. Gotta at least hope that the drones will look cool.

Though I'm thinking I'll wait until the 28th of February to see if I'll pledge anyway. I assume the pledging ends at midnight of some timezone or another? Can't pledge on the 27th since I'll only have money on the 28th And for this month, other things to spend on!

 Zweischneid wrote:

 endtransmission wrote:


You don't *have* to use Drones for anyone. The example lists they put up don't use any drones at all. If you're looking for more of a rebel/wastelander faction then you'd be looking at the Freeborn, a loose alliance of smaller worlds that can't really interface properly with the high end technology like the Wardrones.

Doesn't change the fact that you still get shipped 40 drones with each Feeder pledge.

If you don't like the drones you could pledge for the rulebook and add credits instead.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 endtransmission wrote:


You don't *have* to use Drones for anyone. The example lists they put up don't use any drones at all. If you're looking for more of a rebel/wastelander faction then you'd be looking at the Freeborn, a loose alliance of smaller worlds that can't really interface properly with the high end technology like the Wardrones.

Doesn't change the fact that you still get shipped 40 drones with each Feeder pledge.

Depending on how good they look, drones should be pretty eacy to trade or sell.

Honestly i'm not even interested in a "GW/WOW killer".

All I'd like to see is a decent set of rules in an expansive universe with something that you can actually throw down on the table and have fun with.

What am I seeing in this KS? Star Mogul.

Unless they have something on tap, why exactly should I have to wait around kicking sand waiting for vaporware?

Serious as a heart attack, is it too much to ask for just 3 or 4 base units, and a character or two to go with? And wait around for a rules set? Whats that about?

I can go online right now and crank out seven to ten other scifi games out there that have online pdf's available right this second.

I really wish Rick would step up the game here, especially when you throw down the gauntlet on something that looks like they want to do the EVE tabletop miniatures game.

Hansa is ok, don't get me wrong, but I might as well pick up a few units of those space dwarf guys from Kev White, if I really want to get down to brass tacks.

the squatties and thier mech.

I'm on it for Sedition wars, as a matter of fact, What is this particular project going to bring to the table that THAT one doesn't have???

 Grot 6 wrote:
Honestly i'm not even interested in a "GW/WOW killer".

All I'd like to see is a decent set of rules in an expansive universe with something that you can actually throw down on the table and have fun with.

What am I seeing in this KS? Star Mogul.

Unless they have something on tap, why exactly should I have to wait around kicking sand waiting for vaporware?

Serious as a heart attack, is it too much to ask for just 3 or 4 base units, and a character or two to go with? And wait around for a rules set? Whats that about?

I can go online right now and crank out seven to ten other scifi games out there that have online pdf's available right this second.

I really wish Rick would step up the game here, especially when you throw down the gauntlet on something that looks like they want to do the EVE tabletop miniatures game.

Hansa is ok, don't get me wrong, but I might as well pick up a few units of those space dwarf guys from Kev White, if I really want to get down to brass tacks.

the squatties and thier mech.

I'm on it for Sedition wars, as a matter of fact, What is this particular project going to bring to the table that THAT one doesn't have???

Hold on, I'm confused, we are waiting for the rules set because it doesnt exist yet, thats the main point of the KS, to develop a game system and rules using D10 and base a set of miniatures and a game universe around it.

This isnt just a models KS, its creating a whole game system. Okay originality is very difficult nowadays, but EVE online is a pretty good analogy and its a great universe (too many hours lost mining in that game!)

Stating you can go online and get 10 pdf rules is fine, but they wont be the rules for GoA, its like saying you can get infinity rules so why do GW make any, im not trying to be antagonistic, im just curious why you seem to think the rules are a bit of a waste and it should be models first.

You can pick up as many or as few models as you want, but that would be when they go on general sale, the KS bundles are always a bit of a set box i have found, apart from stretch goals, which we dont know if GoA will be doing. And we are supposed to be getting pdf versions of the alpha - beta etc rules once funded so we should see them in March.

really digging the look of this soldier and i'm not even a ccc fan. reminds me a lot of lost planet which i thought had great visual style.

Rick, you aint selling it well buddy.

Hold on, I'm confused, we are waiting for the rules set because it doesnt exist yet, thats the main point of the KS, to develop a game system and rules using D10 and base a set of miniatures and a game universe around it.

Basically if I want rules, I have to pledge, even though the rules may end up not being to my taste?

The factions seem okay, and may be worth putting in for when I see a few greens, if at all.

Oh dear - that has a *very* "generic sci-fi" vibe to it...

angryboy2k wrote:


If you don't like the drones you could pledge for the rulebook and add credits instead.

Or I could simply pledge for the rulebook and buy miniatures when they are released. Or wait entirely. Its kinda missing the point that Drones are a major part of the Feeder box deal that's supposed to reel in new backers.

 JoshInJapan wrote:


Depending on how good they look, drones should be pretty eacy to trade or sell.

Sure. So why aren't you pledging on the Rivet Wars Kickstarter? If you don't like it, you might try to trade it for some GoA stuff next Winter. Or Space Marines. Or whatever.

I don't see the confusion.

The Kickstarter is for a generic sandbox game. Scifi, with a little bit of this and that in it.

You want to sell a game, you need to have AT THE MINIMUM, 3 or so sets, and a couple of extra characters. So it is written, so it is done.

I didn't make that up, you need to have a baseline to start from, and this deal about "HE who shouts the loudest gets the attention" might work well on that side of the pond, but in my world, you get what sells.
I want to have something like trenchcoat raider here, I want to know what hes going to bring to the table. Is that a multipart kit? can I add him into other units? Is he some sort of special weapon troop? etc.etc.etc...

And Yeah, What this is looks to me like EVE on the tabletop. You want to make it into, "I want such and such a amount of money to make a couple of guys and a rules set? Like I said, Rules sets are not brain surgery here. I commented about the ten off the top of my head based solely on how ... Generic... rules sets really are.

Along with that, THIS isn't a video game we're talking here, either. You are saying pretty much that the master of rules design NEEDS such and such, based on a rules set that doesn't exist.

Yes, D 10's, some fluff, and a couple of greens are in order, but come on, are you seriously going to sit there and say that "YOU THE COMMUNITY..." are going to do it all? and without even a decision of a left and right limit on what exactly your project is?

I can see it as "Yes, I have a set of rules, this is the generic system, YOU out there need to decide on what your interested in as far as the structure of the units and army. Do you want A or B? If so, what about B and C or A and C."

What I think the hardest thing I see is that it is taking so slow to get to the point where you even have the 2 units, and 2 special characters.
WHY exactly, when your supposed to be funding a game that it has nothing in the pipe? I want to wait around for this because......?

The rules already exist, your mistaken there. Just because we haven't seen them doesn't give much when there is already discussion and talk about exactly how the game plays.

The main part of the KS is the sticking point as well...

Like I said, we're looking at EVE on the table here. You can backpeddle it, spin it, or whatever, but your looking at a few factions, no known unit types, weapons, or structure, and a vision for a universe with some gate structure with a reason to push these guys altogether. If not EVE, then your looking at War planet, where you have a battlefield, 3-4 armies, and a reason to fight over some resources.They can start with sticks and stones, for all I care, how exactly am I going to get some kills here? Do I get a tank to go with my units?

And UNLESS I see something of this nature, I honestly don't see a whole lot that needs that much money, Time not included.

Want to sell me on a kickstarter? You better have at least two factions, minimum, or three units of troops already, two or three special characters, and options for each.

You want to fund a "WOW killer" tabletop? Then have miniatures to bring to the table before you show anything else.

Heck, even throw the Kev White squattie guys with mechs in there, at least then you have something to base the game off of as far as structure and something tangable, not to mention a structured faction ready made for the table and a place to go from.

If not the squattis, then so be it for a base line human army.

"Here is the troopers, heres a special character, he comes from the degba system, and he's a swampie." WHY SHOULD I CARE ABOUT THIS GUY, BY THE WAY? What makes him unique? How many of the special guys can I get with each unit? etc.etc.etc.


THIS late in the game? There has to be something of substance. By now in past KS's, we're already into the Add X,Y, or Z for $20.00-25.00. This should be the time where people are contacting thier friends to kick in, because "Hey, you have to check this out!!!"

Look at how the KD game went. Yes, you already have it as a given that Adam there seems to have a ample supply and established rep for high end minis, but the intangibles were put out there and laid to rest within WEEK 1.

No mention of vehicles, no mention of flyers, no mention of ships, transports, animals for planet X, nothing but a couple of pictures of troop A, B, C. Then one green.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not the one trying to be a troll here, but I actually was interested in this one... UNTIL i started reading through the fluffie fluff, and reading some of the stuff on thier forum.

Want a laugh, go on over and see how it goes as how there is no structure whatsoever or serious discussion on tangibles.

http://www.darkspacecorp.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1

vaporware.

Want to sell me a rules set? Then bring more to the table then some dice and pictures at this point. WEEKSA of nothing is not bodeing well for progress, even IF you get funding.

It is bottom line about generating interest and pushing forward with what you have on hand. Even with a 100.00, I could have had thre or four things on paper, and developing BEFORE I even cosidered putting in for a KS project.

"I want to do this..." yes, thats fine, but what do you have already developed? Supposedly this is somnething special? How special is it, then. Obviously special enought that you have some tangible efforts on deck? More then just talk about what you want to do?

Aside from something clever like... "I hope they have some special dice for us special people that FUNDED the project, hope to have TWO special dice and a book."

Not trying to sound hostile, I'm serious as a heart attack. I can see at least five things at least that would generate interest.

Want more money to the KS? How about a unit of the leather jacketed syndacate guys, then. How about a team of the freebooter rebels.

"5 guys in a team, this is what they have for a gun, this is their ability for the army set. They have a bot, he does this."

Whats so wrong with gathering up a couple of minis, and playing out some basics, anyway? "This is how you shoot someone, you take this dice, you ride it with this ability, you roll a number, and this is a hit. You lose a arm, or take a wound or whatever...."

I want to do this, but because you won't bite, I can't"... is not going to even get more then a look, then move on to my other KS with a couple of minis, a set of dice, a PDF thats already avalable, and units A, B, and C as add ons for $20.00.

Your confused, as well rick.

The rules are already there. We're supposedly funding intangables here if you didn't read the material on hand.

(Your left and right limit is that you get the armies, and send in some stuff that worked, basic playtesting/ development stuff.)

The confusion is in the design of the KS, where in point of fact the general structure of the project is lacking, if there at all.

-edited, because i'm pretty hot after reading through the stuff available and seeing the lack of direction blaitently obvious to someone who isn't tied to it, BUT wants it to succeed, based on some of the stuff I'd seen in the beginning. Seriously, Add more to the site, or pull this project until you have at a minimum one unit per base faction, with more in the kittie, and a couple of special characters.

Rick_1138 wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
Honestly i'm not even interested in a "GW/WOW killer".

All I'd like to see is a decent set of rules in an expansive universe with something that you can actually throw down on the table and have fun with.

What am I seeing in this KS? Star Mogul.

Unless they have something on tap, why exactly should I have to wait around kicking sand waiting for vaporware?

Serious as a heart attack, is it too much to ask for just 3 or 4 base units, and a character or two to go with? And wait around for a rules set? Whats that about?

I can go online right now and crank out seven to ten other scifi games out there that have online pdf's available right this second.

I really wish Rick would step up the game here, especially when you throw down the gauntlet on something that looks like they want to do the EVE tabletop miniatures game.

Hansa is ok, don't get me wrong, but I might as well pick up a few units of those space dwarf guys from Kev White, if I really want to get down to brass tacks.

the squatties and thier mech.

I'm on it for Sedition wars, as a matter of fact, What is this particular project going to bring to the table that THAT one doesn't have???

Hold on, I'm confused, we are waiting for the rules set because it doesnt exist yet, thats the main point of the KS, to develop a game system and rules using D10 and base a set of miniatures and a game universe around it.

This isnt just a models KS, its creating a whole game system. Okay originality is very difficult nowadays, but EVE online is a pretty good analogy and its a great universe (too many hours lost mining in that game!)

Stating you can go online and get 10 pdf rules is fine, but they wont be the rules for GoA, its like saying you can get infinity rules so why do GW make any, im not trying to be antagonistic, im just curious why you seem to think the rules are a bit of a waste and it should be models first.

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Yes but what is going to be different about GoA? What will make it any more worthwhile to play than other games.

I'm another person who has 10 SF rulesets already on the shelf. If I am to punt £25 I would like to see more than a couple of high level concepts.

I think they have some good stuff but there is too little detail at the moment to know.

Oh, man, that 3C trooper looks great. Looks generic enough to be used anywhere without being festooned in trappings like skulls or aquilas.

Looks like I may have to get a full company of those dudes to fight my Copplestone Troopers and Viridians.

Aye, the Syndicate guy looks pretty good, but what does he do?

What happened to the "Scruffy nerf herder" guys? Whats the timeline on that drone green/ casting?

Etc.etc.


and Viridians is right. I picked up one such game VOID, as well, only to see IT die on the vine before it could even go anywhere because of all the scattergun techniques of throwing up a hairball.
Guy who sold it to me SWORE it was going places, and was great! Had another game, with a few UN troopers and some terminator type army that's name escapes me.... Even yet another one with roman Legion in space with hover tanks....

Thats the thing, though. so many ideas... so little resources to push the idea with.

Base question for a race is - What is that? What does it do? How many do I need? What do they have for guns/ weapons?

How about that for the ones we've seen so far? ANy open discussion on the forum for each? How about some theory-hammering of them, then?

In hindsight, I might sound off like I'm trying to be some sort of assclown over this project. I apologise if that seems the case, but the efforts and work so far are just really offputting that it is really putting a kick in the hindquarter to the KS project to not really be seeing much of anything, other then a tease picture that you could throw off in a few minutes...

So I'm sorry if it seems harsh, but we're looking at something on KS that made itself out to be something it isn't. Especially with the high expectations, I do wish to see MORE.

Well, yeah, I have plenty of cool models from other systems I use with anything; I'm not brainwashed by the 40k HHHHobby mentality. I'm in this for the rules and maybe cuz I'll get some cool models. Looks like there's a good chance I will get another sci-fi army for my collection with the 3C troopers. Just need matching vehicles...

 Grot 6 wrote:


Large volume of points i shant re-print with the quote

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Fair enough i was simply confused as i thought you meant that the rules set shouldnt have been part of the KS, i read you wrong twas all.

I think the EVE online 'not IINNN SSPPAACCEE!' view is valid and actually would have been a more interesting hook, though CCP would obviously have made it more interesting in terms of funding and being THEIR licence etc.

However a solid rule set will be something i would like to see, especially if they can make it balanced, as many of my gaming mates have stopped playing 40k/fant and stick to blood bowl, they would like a good skirmish game that is easy to balance, and thats what i am in this KS for.

I have said before this week will kill or make this KS, if the wardrones and more concept art, followed by greens about that art keep coming thick and fast then many will be appeased and will fund, however if the wardrone comes out, then another week of not much, then another green of say a rever\great cloak guy, thats only 3 greens for a box that is supposed to contain what 35 odd mini's?

So i am giving the game the benefit of the doubt, i like thge fluff, i like hansa but if the drones and more progress doesnt come out about variety of standard guys, not just characters, i may pull funding i hope not, i have seen some great ideas on the forums, but they are a bit disjointed, the "...and YOU" bit could be a curse for Dark Space Corp, they may have been better saying, these are our factions, and basic rules, we want you to help design the faction look etc, that way its the shiny bit most see that the community has a hand in, and then work out playtesting one the rules have been released.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

I miss at43.....


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Every sketch and concept I have seen so far for this game reminds me of some other game or scifi genre.... at43, star wars, planet of the apes, 40k, etc....even the bald dude mini reminded me of the german mechanic from indiana jones that went in the propelker......

 draugadan wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Every few pages I swing by this thread for updates to the KS and I'm constantly seeing furry comments and even made a joke about it earlier. Whats with all the furry interest in this project that you don't see in existing game threads and other kick starters? Is it just a vocal minority that heard about the whole "help us design the game" idea and thought that this was their moment or was/is there some sort of anthropomorphic theme in this game besides just space monkeys?

For me it was this picture:



I am NOT into Furrys. Not my thing. But as I posted earlier, I've always thought the Kzinti, and a few other cat like Alien races were cool. The cat like critter in the picture made me think that it would be fun to have a Kzinti like army, which would be unique for games out there.

What isn't unique is generic muscle men with guns.

I'm really liking that concord concept art, I'm always down for troops in greatcoats

I knew it

They were gonna do greatcoats in space

They just need a Gasmask for him now....

The greatcoat trooper could be great.Here's hoping

 tvih wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Doesn't change the fact that you still get shipped 40 drones with each Feeder pledge.

Yeah, it'd make more sense to just add more credits with which to buy drones or something else. Gotta at least hope that the drones will look cool.

Though I'm thinking I'll wait until the 28th of February to see if I'll pledge anyway. I assume the pledging ends at midnight of some timezone or another? Can't pledge on the 27th since I'll only have money on the 28th And for this month, other things to spend on!

Funding for the project ends at Thursday Feb 28, 6:00pm EST.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Every sketch and concept I have seen so far for this game reminds me of some other game or scifi genre.... at43, star wars, planet of the apes, 40k, etc....even the bald dude mini reminded me of the german mechanic from indiana jones that went in the propelker......

That's it! I knew Hansa reminded me of someone, but couldn't put my finger on it. Unintentional, I'm sure, but striking nonetheless. On a sidenote, where is that second picture from? That looks like a cool system.

A few posters here have really hit the issues of this kickstarter on the head. Why should I give money to GoA and not someone else? Sci-fi rulesets are easy to find, and rulesets in general are easy to adapt. My club did it all the time in high school. That leaves the miniatures. If they're good, I'll get some. If not, I'll go with someone else's minis. The problem is, though, that I have no idea either way. There is one decent model, and a few generic sketches. A beautiful model range could come from this, but it could all be awful just as easily. It all begs the question: Why GoA? Why not Sedition Wars, or Infinity, or hell, why not good old-fashioned 40k? There just isn't anything compelling here.

 Guildsman wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Every sketch and concept I have seen so far for this game reminds me of some other game or scifi genre.... at43, star wars, planet of the apes, 40k, etc....even the bald dude mini reminded me of the german mechanic from indiana jones that went in the propelker......

That's it! I knew Hansa reminded me of someone, but couldn't put my finger on it. Unintentional, I'm sure, but striking nonetheless. On a sidenote, where is that second picture from? That looks like a cool system.

http://cghub.com/images/view/14845/

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Guildsman wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Every sketch and concept I have seen so far for this game reminds me of some other game or scifi genre.... at43, star wars, planet of the apes, 40k, etc....even the bald dude mini reminded me of the german mechanic from indiana jones that went in the propelker......

That's it! I knew Hansa reminded me of someone, but couldn't put my finger on it. Unintentional, I'm sure, but striking nonetheless. On a sidenote, where is that second picture from? That looks like a cool system.

http://cghub.com/images/view/14845/

Thanks! You're just a fountain of useful knowledge!

Google Reverse Image Search is fun... and mostly works.

 Cyporiean wrote:
Google Reverse Image Search is fun... and mostly works.

*REVERSE* image search? How does one access this arcane faculty of the magic-fire-box?