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I will only be shopping for GW stuff on ebay now - lots of good bargins to be had - even for new stuff.

I'll pick up the codexes the same way.

 Ouze wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Slaughterbrute. $85.00 WTF?

I had to double-check to see if I weren't on the Aussie site by accident.

Doesn't help any that it's sort of an awful model, imo.

That's what's really pricing me out of the game - their increasingly lousy sculpts combined with their relentlessly awful finecast casting quality. FFS, check out the Chaos Lord - they couldn't even be bothered to straighten his bent halberd.

Good post. Even by GW standards of recent times, that is a lousy model!

Well, to me they have reached the max point a couple years go. I still picked stuff up online and eBay, but now seeing new prices just made my next purchase easy......more stuff from dreamforge games. I got in on the kickstarter an the stuff should be here in next two weeks. Along with my quarterly bonus, taxes n a little extra left over from student loans.

I had been building an enitre space marine chapter with all 1000 troops, tanks, and vehicles, but now GW can molest someone else. If I continue to buy stuff for 40k it will be through third party companies that mak better knock offs than GW makes actual models, and for less. Or I will do the less than honorable thing and buy all my forgeworld goodness from china and Russia. GW wants to price their stuff out of the market...OK, I'll just buy from a different market.

That's the spirit! Hit 'em where they won't care!

Throgg $58.00/50€ holy
Chariot +50% relative to HE Chariot with approx same content! Slaughterbrute, Forsaken ... Oh my!
I can understand why Mark Wells fled so abruptly.
Seems GW is testing ground for a 50% price hike next June. "Worked in Australia, will work globally!"

Last thing I bought directly from GW was a Night Goblin Shaman double blister for 12€ - the single purchase for 4 months. The entire rest of the goblin army comes from ebay and I'll continue doing that.

GW has finally priced ME out of the hobby. 50€ for a single miniature...let Kirby come to Germany so I can shove that thing where the sun doesn't shine.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Throgg $58.00/50€ holy
Chariot +50% relative to HE Chariot with approx same content! Slaughterbrute, Forsaken ... Oh my!
I can understand why Mark Wells fled so abruptly.
Seems GW is testing ground for a 50% price hike next June. "Worked in Australia, will work globally!"

Glad I'm not the only one. While the chariots are nice £25 is a lot but the £50 monster is a joke.

I am quite 'fortunate' i guess that im living at home with the parents at the moment, but i know for a fact that when i move out later this year that my ability to buy GW stuff will reduce to near nothing levels, GW moan at players about 'counts as' i have a mate who brought a box of night goblin spider riders to use the spiders as fiends of slaanesh and GW staff moaned on and on about it, how about the company thinks before they hike up prices to a futher insane level.

I fell like it is prettt high now. However, I buy my models New in Box on ebay. For example, I play CSM. Now, a heldrake is $75 on GW.com. But on ebay, NiB, its $60. Most of the time, you can save a lot of money buying on ebay. Even if that's too much, you can buy assembled models. Then, you can mod them, and paint them. I know you can get Abbadon for around $6 on ebay. In fact that's how I got mine.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Throgg $58.00/50€ holy
Chariot +50% relative to HE Chariot with approx same content! Slaughterbrute, Forsaken ... Oh my!
I can understand why Mark Wells fled so abruptly.
Seems GW is testing ground for a 50% price hike next June. "Worked in Australia, will work globally!"

That Chaos stuff is bit bigger than most other equivalent models - Slaughterthingy seems clearly bigger than for example Sphinxes, Throgg is bigger than Ogre characters etc. But yeah, it is pricey even by GW standards.

 Ouze wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Slaughterbrute. $85.00 WTF?

I had to double-check to see if I weren't on the Aussie site by accident.

Doesn't help any that it's sort of an awful model, imo.

That's what's really pricing me out of the game - their increasingly lousy sculpts combined with their relentlessly awful finecast casting quality. FFS, check out the Chaos Lord - they couldn't even be bothered to straighten his bent halberd.

I also noticed that and posted in the News and Rumours thread.

HE is not FC, as well.

i know many people are now buying re casts, im considering it myself now due to the costs, anyone know any sites whitch are tradeing now as coolcastornot has no stuff on it at the moment

I think you're going to have to see a 30-35% drop in sales volume before it starts impacting on GWs bottom line and even then their view will be, "Well we're making slightly less profit for a lot less effort."

I was considering some purchases for my chaos army but this is crazy. I could give you all a rant about how furious I am about it but I'm not going to, instead I'll say this.

My wife was interested in playing and has accumulated a small tyranid army, she refuses to add any more to it, despite loving the tervigon model and gargoyles, due to the price and will only play with what she has. I was going to add a sizeable chunk to my WoC army with the new book and now looking at the price, no fething chance. I was going to start a huge imperial guard and huge Empire army, but cannot fathom, other than picking up some second hand, how I would do that (well, I know how I'm doing that with imperial guard, I'm going 3rd party).

I am not typing this as someone on limited finances, my wife and I are both mid level management and have no kids, we have a degree of wealth to spend on leisure items, but the price of these miniatures has now well exceeded their worth for me.

I think I will be making very limited purchases to keep my Orks and Dark Eldar competitive, attempting this via ebay and second hand, and for everything else, I will be looking 3rd party from now on.

Mantic, you have the chance of an open season here, quit dicking about with scale and just produce decent stand in minis for GW's games and make a killing off their stupidity and greed. How many decent ex-GW sculptors and design team must be floating about out there.

I'm now even looking at 3rd party resin manufacturers not as luxury additions, but as viable alternatives.

As everyone keeps mentioning 3rd party alternatives, how about posting some on a new thread with what system and army they are stand ins for.

As to the topic, I agree the prices are insane, however dark Angels dropped and that gave gw a licence to print money from me, before I realised it I had spent over £600 in 2 weeks for what I wanted, and would have done the same for chaos... Untill I saw the prices, I.can kinda justify 600 for my da, they are MY army, I have always played them and love them, I enjoy chaos... Enjoy...not love, they were not my childhood army and as such I cannot personally justify dropping 50 quid for a single monster, 30 quid was fine.in my eyes

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Zoned wrote:
I was ok with the DA releases. Deathwing Termies are $10 than normal Termies, but in my opinion the kit is better since it makes more stuff (makes 1 of 2 units) and comes with more stuff (DW have more options than normal Termies.) So I can justify the $10 hike.

Deathwing kit, $60
This kit contains 102 components, a Space Marines Transfer Sheet, five 40mm round bases, and one 25mm round base with which to make a Deathwing Command Squad, Deathwing Knights or five Deathwing Terminators.

Space Wolf Terminator kit, $50
This box set contains five multi-part plastic Space Wolves Wolf Guard Terminators. This 100-piece set...

I don't know how many components the other Termie kits have, they aren't listed.

Overall, recent releases are insane prices. The new knights of Rivendell are a big price jump over any other LOTR cavalry or Fantasy cavalry.

To be fair, with some bits purchases (legs mostly) you can make 10 terminators out of the Dark Angels box in a snap. The Deathwing Knights are pretty much their own bits almost entirely. Not saying that justifies it entirely, but with what I'd guess to be $15 in bits ($25 more then a standard box total) you can make a modified command squad (using the Knights bodies) and 5 terminators, 10 terminators with "Veteran" stuff (again using the knight bodies) or 5 knights and 5 termies.

That's really not terrible comparatively.

Stepping back to the wider world it's still fething lunacy.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:


I'm now even looking at 3rd party resin manufacturers not as luxury additions, but as viable alternatives.

Well, why not? Better quality for less!

MeanGreenStompa - personally, I want Mantic to keep trying to forge ahead with their own game systems. They've already got a mass of cheap sub-ins available for some of the major WFB races - I don't think there are too many players out there now (or at least ones who have ever taken time to research stuff on the internet) that won't be aware of them as the sensible option for big horde-type units.

And it would be great to have some cool new stuff in the Forge Father lines, plus the other races, that don't need to have an analogue in a 40k army in order to make sales.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
That's the spirit! Hit 'em where they won't care!

I don't know how you continue to be allowed to post on this forum - I can't remember the last time you posted anything that wasn't a one-line, sarcastic or degrading response that adds nothing to the discussion.

 Breotan wrote:
According to BoLS, here are the prices for the new DA stuff coming in January:

Codex: Dark Angels (English) 104pp Colour Hardback $49.50
Ravenwing Dark Talon 1 Mini $75.00
Land Speeder Vengeance 1 Mini $65.00
Deathwing Command Squad 5 Minis $60.00
Ravenwing Command Squad 3 Minis $50.00
Dark Angels Battleforce 8 Minis $110.00

That's right. $75.00 for that flier and $50.00 for three bikes. Oh, and don't forget that awesome DA Battleforce with eight whole models.

I heavily rely on Dark Angels figures for my DYI chapter but I'm wondering if GW has finally hit that magical point where I simply can't justify the cost of their product. I have more disposable income than a lot of people out there so I expect that many of you have already hit this wall. If so, when did it happen for you? If you haven't hit it yet, how is your hobby future looking?

Myself? I find that I am migrating over to Malifaux these days, that and spending obscene amounts of money on kickstarters (damn you McVey, Poots, and the rest). Some small purchases and some specific Forge World purchases are still in the cards, but I'll certainly not be starting up any new armies with GW. I used to buy every codex when it came out. Now I only buy the onces I actually use. Once the annual price increase hits this coming summer, my GW portion of the hobby will likely be reduced to painting. Shame, really.

Okay, I thought 4th Edition D&D was stupid, I was perusing the GW site and all I can say is "wow." And seeing the prices for these models you posted is something akin to highway robbery. Is GW trying to lose its fanbase? Doesn't it know that poor bastards like us spent our hard-earned cash to help it become a company in the first place? It's like when Lars Ulrich of Metallica made those insulting comments about the band's own fanbase.

It seems to me that they figure they have a product we can't live without so they price it like they own a monopoly on the minatures games market, which is about as far from the truth as they can get. I'm know I'm repeating myself (and paraphrasing what others here have posted) but Games Workshop has lost touch with the very people they are seeking to sell their products to. I can understand price hikes due to the cost of materials, labour, shipping, etc. However there is no sane reason I can see for jacking prices up so far other than greed.

And greed is what is going to kill this company and it's products fast. I can honestly say I tell folks about the GW product, but then I straight up tell them don't bother buying directly from GW, go for Ebay or some other third-party supplier (you know, garage sale shopping on the net bro )

And remember this: Never pay full price for anything...especially when it comes to your hobbies. If GW wants to play this stupid game of greed that it can only, ultimately, lose, then so be it, I'll find someone else selling their stuff at far better prices.

 Spyral wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Throgg $58.00/50€ holy
Chariot +50% relative to HE Chariot with approx same content! Slaughterbrute, Forsaken ... Oh my!
I can understand why Mark Wells fled so abruptly.
Seems GW is testing ground for a 50% price hike next June. "Worked in Australia, will work globally!"

Glad I'm not the only one. While the chariots are nice £25 is a lot but the £50 monster is a joke.

What makes it worse, is that the Chariot actually looks decently priced next to all the other releases.

I love how the "Forsaken Horde" is actually just 30 miniatures for 90 pounds! 3 pounds a model! Holy crap.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
That's the spirit! Hit 'em where they won't care!

Loss of sales will hurt them though, and they'll have to care eventually. Maybe one day they'll realise they are driving too many customers away, but I'm not going to take any bets about it being in time.

Yes.

Not for inability, but for unwillingness to be fleeced.

 Formosa wrote:
As everyone keeps mentioning 3rd party alternatives, how about posting some on a new thread with what system and army they are stand ins for.

I have a feeling there are probably some old threads floating around for specific armies, but I would love to see a proper translation thread where the first post is updated with manufacturers who make suitable stand-ins for the various Warhammer/40K groups. If nothing else, it should kick off some discussion about which manufacturers capture the Warhammer 'feel' and which are just putting out fairly generic sci-fi minis. No way I'm shelling out for any actual Games Workshop minis at this point.

The sad thing is that right now I have the most expendable cash each month that I've ever had, and I am almost completely unwilling to give any of it to GW.

They have now definitely crossed that line. Last few times it was hovering around there, but the prices for the Hobbit stuff, the DA flyer (which is absolutely insane) and now Throgg, the Forsaken, that monster, etc, not only crossed it but ran past it. Individual kits get an extra 5,- or 10,- added left and right each new release as if it is nothing.

First Fincecast, then the last round of price raises for the 40K tanks and such which was already a "wtf" moment for a lot of items, big monsters & flyers being shoved our throat, hardcover army books, the thing they turned WHF into, miniatures that seemingly look more cartoony each release.

I consider all of the above big negatives already, but the pricing has become insulting even, no matter how big your wallet is. Luckily there are plenty of other good destinations for my money, so once I get the last handful of kits for my primary armies GW can shove it up where the sun don't shine. Unfortunately Tau are still up for later this year, so their fate remains to be seen.

Thats why I buy all my models used. Cant beat used prices

 RIGLER705 wrote:
Thats why I buy all my models used. Cant beat used prices

Eventually though, the second hand market will dry up - especially in regards to new models.

When they are priced at a point where some 12 year old kid can beg his mom/dad to buy him some...you can rely on mom/dad putting them up on eBay in a few months to sell them off because now Timmy wants to do something else. As the price goes up - fewer used items end up making it onto eBay and other sources because fewer are bought new.

Yes - you can still get them through discount sites, but considering just how high the prices are going - even the 30% discount I can get on NIB GW products makes it redorkulously priced.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Deathwing kit, $60 compares to Space Wolf Terminator kit, $50.

As models go, I think the Space Wolf Termie kit is really good compared to the normal Termie kit, first off. You get way more pieces and way more weapon options.

I still think the DW termie kit is better than the SW kit, however, and I would argue that most players will find it the same way.

With shooting being better than assault in 6th, and the increase in cost of TH/SS termies, you can equip DW termies for maximum game effectiveness right out of the box. Compared to SW termies, they come with the critical CML, and a plasma cannon for funsies.

On top of that, they can also be made to into the sometimes seen DW command squad, with all the necessary bitz (banner, apothercary,) or the even more rarely seen (competitive game wise) Deathwing Knights, though I'm sure many people will use the awesome looking Knight bitz for their normal DW.

In comparison, my frustration with the SW Termie kit (aside from the lack of CML) is the lack of Power Swords. One of the perks of SW Termies is that they are cheap bare bones. However, I'd also like to swing at Initiative order, so if he's got a Power Axe on a Termie, I'd rather just pay for the Fist.

So for me, the DW kit offers far more utility than the SW one, mainly from a competitive gaming point of view (who uses SW termies competitively anyway lol)

And for the poster who mentions that Throgg is larger than the Ogre special characters, he might be larger, but not 40% larger/cooler as the price suggests.

 beef wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
At these prices, GW's mainstream product line has, without question, clearly crossed into Forgeworld pricing levels.

Exactly and FW prices have crossed into some next pricing level

Worth it tho, bar the occasional bad batch (happened to me some weeks ago, got the replacements now, I'll have them in a few hour).

Personally I feel like I am getting enough out of the cash that is spent on it.

Zoned wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Deathwing kit, $60 compares to Space Wolf Terminator kit, $50.

As models go, I think the Space Wolf Termie kit is really good compared to the normal Termie kit, first off. You get way more pieces and way more weapon options.

I still think the DW termie kit is better than the SW kit, however, and I would argue that most players will find it the same way.

With shooting being better than assault in 6th, and the increase in cost of TH/SS termies, you can equip DW termies for maximum game effectiveness right out of the box. Compared to SW termies, they come with the critical CML, and a plasma cannon for funsies.

On top of that, they can also be made to into the sometimes seen DW command squad, with all the necessary bitz (banner, apothercary,) or the even more rarely seen (competitive game wise) Deathwing Knights, though I'm sure many people will use the awesome looking Knight bitz for their normal DW.

In comparison, my frustration with the SW Termie kit (aside from the lack of CML) is the lack of Power Swords. One of the perks of SW Termies is that they are cheap bare bones. However, I'd also like to swing at Initiative order, so if he's got a Power Axe on a Termie, I'd rather just pay for the Fist.

So for me, the DW kit offers far more utility than the SW one, mainly from a competitive gaming point of view (who uses SW termies competitively anyway lol)

And for the poster who mentions that Throgg is larger than the Ogre special characters, he might be larger, but not 40% larger/cooler as the price suggests.

You're right about the Cyclone Launcher, though changing the rules and making old options less effective is hardly what I'd consider a good reason to raise a price.

Speaking of prices... how much was the Dreadfleet box?

I heard that there was a mass recall, but boxes are gathering dust at my FLGS for 124$ each.

For an unsupported game, it sounds very expensive, but maybe it was THAT good?