Rivet Wars Kickstarter - CMON New Miniatures RTS Inspired Board Game (Funded!)

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**kenshin620**

Methinks we are starting to veer off topic now. I suppose we should save comments for the WoK KS when that KS starts up

**Piston Honda**

was hoping it would be 10 to 20 models for WoK.

Not so interested any more. after painting 100s of minis for 28mm Napoleonics (French), hundreds more for 15mm Napoleonics (Russians) and hundreds of 15mm Confederates just got burned out and looking to only paint a handful of models for agame.

That and just don't have the time like I use to.

That said the models are quite nice and for the most part, rather large, I will post a pic. If you don't like cartoon-ish style models, you may not like them.

**Reecius**

This game looks really cool!

**Alpharius**

High "sweet spot" + KD KS finishing on Monday + upcoming Confrontation KS = have to give this one a pass!

Best of luck to all involved though!

**Dentry**

Reecius wrote:
This game looks really cool!

I think so. I'm eager to see what other heroes they'll have and what they'll parody; The Veteran is pure win in my book.

**PsychoticStorm**

I don't know this is a KS I joined purely on the look of the models, I am amazed on the artwork.

I hope they unlock more factions on it, the art is amazing.

**CURNOW**

cincydooley wrote:
CURNOW wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
RTides - wrath of kings is going to be an absolute blast to play and the models are fuggin gorgeous.

I can see a 150 sweet spot pledge there making sense as the impression I got from talking to the devs indicated the starters would have between 40-50 models.

I love the resins I have and I really can't wait for that KS.

so less models than zombiecide and sedition wars then ? but over twice the cost ? and as the models are allready designed and produced in resin and sold on the CMON site and the kickstarter wont have any effect on the rules side of it , i really dont see why it needs one ?
its just a weak excusse to get peoples money early and pre order.
i suppose the same thing could of been said of sedition wars but those were more inocent halcyon days lol

I encourage you to look at them first. Many of the will not be man sized miniatures. The resin ones are a pretty standard 12-20 bucks per man sized model. They can't afford to do the whole game resin, which is why the game is moving to Kickstarter to get the armies tooled for plastic.

But you know, talking out of your ass when you know nothing about it is fun too.

i know what the minis are like i do actually own afew of them ... just because cmon charge "12-20 bucks per man sized model" dosnt mean that they are worth it ! the armies will allready be tooled in plastic-resin hybrid {ie the same stuff most of cmon minis are being produced in } and as cmon have taken over 2.5million dollars from there last 4 kickstarters they can surely afford to have these minis produced without the use of a kickstarter especialy as the cost of produceing these is not as high as the cost of "tooling" hard plastic injection molded minis.
so this would lead me to belive that they are useing kickstarter as a tool for preorders and instant influx of cash than as a tool to help them pay for it.

oh and you stay classy !

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Well to be fair

3 of the previous CMON KS projects had another partner company in with them (Zombicide, Sedition Wars, Relic Kights) and I don't know about the 4th (Cadwallon)

so they'll have had to share the revinue (no idea of what the splits were for any of them)

could CMON fund rivit wars ? Maybe,

but would the IP owner/gmae designer want to give up his project which is what he's have to do if CMON put in all the cash? probably not.

This way he gets to keep his game, CMON get added publicity for when the game hits retail, the KS buyers get extra stuff, and the retail buyers get a better basic box

**cincydooley**

CURNOW wrote:

i know what the minis are like i do actually own afew of them ... just because cmon charge "12-20 bucks per man sized model" dosnt mean that they are worth it ! the armies will allready be tooled in plastic-resin hybrid {ie the same stuff most of cmon minis are being produced in } and as cmon have taken over 2.5million dollars from there last 4 kickstarters they can surely afford to have these minis produced without the use of a kickstarter especialy as the cost of produceing these is not as high as the cost of "tooling" hard plastic injection molded minis.
so this would lead me to belive that they are useing kickstarter as a tool for preorders and instant influx of cash than as a tool to help them pay for it.

oh and you stay classy !

So...which do you own? You obviously found them to be "worth" the 12-20 bucks because you paid it.

The armies will "already be tooled In plastic resin hybrid?" Is that so? I presume you've spoken to one of the producers of the game and know they already have these moulds ready then?

As to the 2.5M they've taken in from other KSes: as Orlando said, 3 of those 4 are partnerships with other companies. Since you like presumptions, I'd say its safe to them assume a fair amount of that money went to Guillotine, McVey, and Soda Pop, not simply CMoN. Further, they had to use some of that 2.5M to, you know, actually produce and ship the games.

But Nevermind all of that. We wouldn't want some silly facts getting in the way of your clearly very informed opinions.

Back to Rivet: Were KD not wrapping right now and WoK/Confron soon on the horizon, I'd be straight in on this one. As it stands I'm going to have to wait and see just how much more the $150 level gets you than the $90 before I pledge.

**H.B.M.C.**

Stretch goal update time (why am I the one doing this?):

Slightly over a day down and it looks like we've managed to hit all our initially planned stretch goals thanks to all our backers!

So .... what's next?

Medic! Instead of paper chits we'll have nifty little damage counters upgrading every game!

Roll the bones - Every Blitzkrieg pledge gets a free set of custom dice. And we know, we know, for you dice junkies out there you can pledge $10 for even more sets. Just add them to your pledge total and we'll sort it out later.

Every game gets an upgrade with these two generals to plug into your tanks! (or plug turrets).

General G. Patston (Ally Plug Hero)

After graduating from East Point Military academy General Patston quickly rose through the ranks. Although known for his brash style and quick temper his success on the battlefield can not be denied. A cavalry man at heart, Patston is obsessed with mobility. He is a master of troop movement and is sure to get your men to front and into the fight!

General E. Romler (Blight Plug Hero)

Romler is a master tactician. He views the battlefield as full of opportunities waiting to be exploited. Using his state of the art ocular enhancement gear, Romler can increase his soldiers' range allowing them to blast holes in the enemy forces. When Romler is on the battlefield no place is safe from his gaze!

Blitzkrieg only - Sometimes, more is better. Get 12 more guys per side for a total of 24 additional infantry!

And we're finishing the editing on the gameplay video so it'll be up in a couple of hours! Stay Riveted!

So that gives us almost a 1 for 1 ratio of Core Box:Blitzkrieg level stretch goals. I like the idea of alternating between the two.

**Dentry**

$25k between goals seems reasonable.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stretch goal update time (why am I the one doing this?):

Because you're awesome?

**Azazelx**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ah good. One page in and we're already at the CMON complaints stage. I look forward to page after page of scipio.au complaining whilst he enters and withdraws his pledge every other day.

It's a Dakka/KS tradition, after all!

Just following your Dakka tradition of pissing and moaning about everything GW release, do, and have ever done. But without getting into an internerd slapfight with someone like Kan or Testify or a butthurt signature banner.

Avoiding snark and being grown-up for a moment - Why yes, I am in on an early-bird pledge and fully intend to decide whether to stay or go in the last couple of days depending on how the KS has gone and been run. I only actually change my pledges once after going in - in the last days to drop out like this one, or on the last day to bump it up if I'm staying and need to add-on. But don't let the facts interrupt your light-hearted trolling.

**H.B.M.C.**

Butthurt signature?

Don't say such things about insaniak!

**Azazelx**

Yeah, I know you just changed it, and I know Insaniak write it. I was referring to the fact that you decided to make that text your sig, and of course to the Jervis one that you used for a not-insignificant amount of time.

I actually agree with many of your sentiments, I just don't feel a need to wear them tattooed on my forehead and get into pointless circular arguments with people like Test and Kan. But I guess you of all people find arguing on the internets makes good entertainment at times.

The Rivet Wars models aesthetic looks interesting, and t makes me basically count them much more as "playing pieces" then as "miniatures" - albeit ones that can be painted up to look cool(er), like SDE. Or even something like Tide of Iron.

**H.B.M.C.**

1. Testify is gone.
2. Kan's my bro. We don't always agree, but we've got each other's back. We're "frienemies" at worst.

**gunslingerpro**

Reminds me a bit of the Worms franchise.

**malfred**

gunslingerpro wrote:
Reminds me a bit of the Worms franchise.

It looks really inspired by Advance Wars with a bit more chibi.

http://playwhatyoulikesrpgreviews.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/advance-wars-2001-analysis/

**cincydooley**

It's intriguing to me that the Blitzkreig level is simply more "stuff" at this point, and more specifically most of it is extras of what is already there. I like the notion of upping the core box as much as possible and going every other one for the upgrades.

Excited to see the game play video.

**RogueRegault**

cincydooley wrote:
RogueRegault wrote:
My brother is pissed as hell because he didn't get his announcement email from CMoN until 4 and a half hours after the KS went live, meaning the early birds were all long gone.

Myself, the "RTS style" is enough to make it a pass for me, as it makes me think bogged down meatgrinder. Miniatures are cute though.

If one of the allied tanks was a walking M3 Lee I'd probably chip in.

Hopefully $10 bucks isn't actually enough to make one "pissed as hell....."

Well, it's more the principle of the thing, and the fact it's the second time it's happened. He hates giving out his contact information, so what's the point of joining a mailing list if they don't send the emails in a timely manner?

**Necros**

Well, I switched to Blitzkreig.. now I'm bummed that I didn't get in on the early level back when it was still open.

I like the cartoony look, and really glad it's not carbon copy anime like everything else cartoony these days.

**warboss**

cincydooley wrote:
Confrontation will hit 4 to 5 million. That game has a huge cult following, being made in plastic will only make it that much more popular.

I think this is definitely right. I think they're not ready to do it yet though. My understanding is that they're going to do the Wrath of Kings KS next and then Confrontation after. I think. And, depending on how the models look and how many of the very hard to get models they release, I think $4-5M is about right, and potentially conservative.

Confrontation kickstarter? Wow... so when do the other snazzy looking but failed games of the last 15 years get kickstarted? Vor, Warzone, AT-43... Confrontation already had its chance in plastic so I'm not sure what another run in plastic will do for it when the first drove it into the ground.

**BrookM**

I was thinking of pledging, but a lack of rules and an inability to properly spell "Blitzkrieg" has turned me off.

**Alpharius**

warboss wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Confrontation will hit 4 to 5 million. That game has a huge cult following, being made in plastic will only make it that much more popular.

I think this is definitely right. I think they're not ready to do it yet though. My understanding is that they're going to do the Wrath of Kings KS next and then Confrontation after. I think. And, depending on how the models look and how many of the very hard to get models they release, I think $4-5M is about right, and potentially conservative.

Confrontation kickstarter? Wow... so when do the other snazzy looking but failed games of the last 15 years get kickstarted? Vor, Warzone, AT-43... Confrontation already had its chance in plastic so I'm not sure what another run in plastic will do for it when the first drove it into the ground.

Confrontation failed in plastic because the miniatures were a pale shadow of what they once were AND the gameplay was gak.

IF they get the quality of the miniatures back up and return the gameplay to its skirmish roots, they'll do quite well.

On topic here, it is odd that only certain levels get more miniatures and not the core box, especially as the goal seems to be to spawn as many units as possible, ala RTS'?

**Bolognesus**

I guess this'll go the same route as SW in that regard, with most scenarios available (e.g. those in the rulebook) being just for the base game minis, and only a few scenarios accommodating the larger no. of figs from the blitzkrieg! level.

**DaveC**

Closer look at the painted miniatures by James Wappell the guy who painted them http://wappellious.blogspot.ie/ he's going to post further pictures and painting instructions. Although for this project each side comes in different coloured plastic so there's no need to paint them if you don't want to.

Must admit a caved and backed the project I juggled a few other pledges to find the funds

**cincydooley**

warboss wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Confrontation will hit 4 to 5 million. That game has a huge cult following, being made in plastic will only make it that much more popular.

I think this is definitely right. I think they're not ready to do it yet though. My understanding is that they're going to do the Wrath of Kings KS next and then Confrontation after. I think. And, depending on how the models look and how many of the very hard to get models they release, I think $4-5M is about right, and potentially conservative.

Confrontation kickstarter? Wow... so when do the other snazzy looking but failed games of the last 15 years get kickstarted? Vor, Warzone, AT-43... Confrontation already had its chance in plastic so I'm not sure what another run in plastic will do for it when the first drove it into the ground.

Confrontation was a fantastic game system. There are multiple levels of why it failed, only one of which came down to the plastics, which failed, by the way, not simply because they were plastic but due to both being pre-painted, to looking significantly worse than the metals, and as Alph said, the rules being neutered and completely changed.

While it may not have been as huge as some other systems in the US, Confron3 was extraordinarily popular in Europe where outstanding sculpts are often as important as game play. The models, for painters, are still incredibly popular there.

When they re-release it, it's going to be very, very, very popular.

**kestral**

Gotta go with "Meh" on this one, though I appreciate the creativity. Could do much the same with legos if I wanted small humorous guys. I like some of the vehicles - hopefully they will be available separately at some point.

**DaveC**

Gameplay video is up this is the tutorial scenario - just watching it now it's 47 minutes long

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gKA0q6c_VBM

**Necros**

I'd like to say the video was "Riveting" but it was too long :( still was nice to see it in action though, looks like it's gonna be a really fun game.

**squall018**

Gameplay video looks legit. I wonder if you can get more tiles and have the rules allow you to make a bigger game.