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**wuestenfux**

Well, not really impressed by the new release. The only new tank in town is

Land Speeder Revenge
- The Plasma Storm Battery is S7 AP2, 3 small blast or 1 large blast.

Looks like a skimming Executioner with AV 10. Ouch. But with 2 hull points, I guess, it will be dead once its targeted.

**Omegus**

180 points for the fliers? Epic lulz.

**wuestenfux**

Omegus wrote:
180 points for the fliers? Epic lulz.

That's too much. Compare this with the Night Scythe, almost half the points.

**HerbaciousT**

Tiger9gamer wrote:

Pre-codex worry X-X afraid they won't be as "uber" as I once thought out. the S6 AP3 champ weapon is cool though, hope the haliberd is AP2 and can be given to a captain.

Why do they have to be 'uber'? Not every new codex coming out should have to be able to table other armies just by virtue of it being new. The codex and units seem very good to me. And I play DA for the aesthetic and the fluff anyway. And also for Fearless Terminators as troops

**Fenrir Kitsune**

HerbaciousT wrote:

Why do they have to be 'uber'? Not every new codex coming out should have to be able to table other armies just by virtue of it being new.

Its gotta sell though, hasn't it?

**Sasori**

wuestenfux wrote:
Well, not really impressed by the new release. The only new tank in town is
Land Speeder Revenge
- The Plasma Storm Battery is S7 AP2, 3 small blast or 1 large blast.

Looks like a skimming Executioner with AV 10. Ouch. But with 2 hull points, I guess, it will be dead once its targeted.

I can see the Stealth one being used, to help the surviveability of these a bit, but I agree for the most part. It will likely be a reserve, come on and blast, and die next turn kind of vehicle. Hopefully the pointscost reflects that.

**Exergy**

Lobukia wrote:
Exergy wrote:
Lobukia wrote:

Can Command Squads or Black Knights take SH?

Thanks to anyone who knows, and my apologies if already said and I missed it

not sure what SH is?

Grrr, typo. Meant SS.

word is that deathwing terminators and command squads CAN take TH/SS, perhaps TH or SS separately but they have to pay a premium ala SW codex. No one wants TH/SS terminators if they cost 75 points each. They wont get them for 40 like C:SM.

Deathwing knights come with power mace and stormshield stock. The SS is of course awesome, as is the rumored T5. But the power mace is....meh. against meq a TH or powerfist will give you 3 times as many wounds.

**Savageconvoy**

Faeit212 has a second batch up now.

Things I noticed that were interesting.

The Plasma Storm Battery is apparently 1 large blast or 3 shots, not three small blasts. Not sure how I feel about that.

The flakk missile is an option for most missile launchers and only a 10 point upgrade.

**Skriker**

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Its gotta sell though, hasn't it?

Yes, but there are two different markets for a codex. The first are those who are buying and playing with it because it is the latest/greatest/uber book. The second are those who want to build a Dark Angels army. If the first group doesn't buy it much the second group still will. Yes a codex will sell more if it appeals to both groups, but as long as it appeals to at least one of the groups it will still sell. I just want a relatively balanced book without a lot of craziness as I am building my force as part of the second group and kind of spurred on by the Dark Vengance boxed set. I've always liked "story" armies and not just WAAC armies. Just personal preference. This book will help determine if GW's goal is to build more balanced books this time out or not. With only 1 codex released so far it is hard to tell that. Hoping it does become a trend, but we'll see.

Skriker

**pretre**

From Natfka

via Chizel on Warseer
is the only way to unlock Termies or Bikes troops to get the special characters or can basic HQ with the right war gear unlock them as well?

Also, what are the largest sizes for the command squads? 5 for termies and 3 for bikes?

Specials unlock them as troops. normal hq unlock them as command squads

Mindworm is d3 s4 ap2 focused witchfire and -3ws/bs/i per wound taken

What are the max number of terminators and bikes you can have in squads?
10 for each unless command which are locked at 5/3

I guess you had to expect that for a tripple plasma cannon battery. is it's twin linked or not.

Its not a triple cannon but a heavy 3 plasma gun. no blast. the charge shot is a heavy 1 large blast though

Talons r18 twin linked rapid fire plasmas. the grenade launchers are evil. knights can take one every 3 bikes. rad grenades are s3 ap- but units hit are -1t fir the turn. stasis grenades no damage but -1ws&i for the turn.

deathwing assault means you decide in secret which units come in turn one or turn two. no need to roll for reserves and its not just half your dwing but any amount

special piece of wargear called a porteract. if the character kills an enemy chara ter in melee yoh army can now use the enemies locator and teleport beacons

Is there a generic Captain/Master/called whatever with option for SM Bike or Terminator armour?
Bikes and t armor are in as equipment for the normal masters.
No extra powers other than mindworm (missed out it also lowers ld as well as the other three stats) and its r12
No stern or vangaurd.

Belial has precise shot on a 5+. Him and his squad of all inner circle do not scatter. his sword is is ap3 fleshbane

Tac squads&vets get grim resolve=stubborn.
Perfid relic= adamantium will + fear

Do DW knights get their 3+ invul and T5 (from being base to base) in the turn they deep streak?
Lastly, does the stasis bomb effect vehicles?
yes t5 as they have to be in b2b when deepstriking and stasis says it effects any unit so im guessing walkers would be counted as well

chapter standard is all units within 12 get to reroll all morale and pinning checks and +1a to his unit
then the lesser ones have those rules split up.
ravenwing lets them autopass hit and run and roll an extra d6 for distance.
Company standard is 12" rerollorale & pinning.
Deathwing one is 6" +1a to all inner circle.

Then theres the daddy standards. one per army.
All have the 12" morale pinning rule then either;
All units in 12 get counter attack or
all in 12 get fnp or
all boltguns in 6 get salvo 2/4
Edit salvo effect is only within 6"

"All friendly Codex: Dark Angels units within 6" treat their boltguns as Salvo 2/4 weapons"
Thats amazing. Ravenwing bikes... Tactical squads... Hurricane Bolters! ()
yeah we were just talking about having the command squad flanked by two full tac squads, 100 bolter shots a turn thank you very much

do Company Masters affect the FOC by taking TDA or a Bike? Do they just unlock a command squad from the respectively taken wargear?
only the grand master special characters effect the foc

the dark shroud may only be hp 2 but it does have jink, stealth and shrouded so could survive a while.,

via Lion El Jason on Warseer

Conversion fields are 4+ Inv. At the end of any phase where a save was made nearby units test for blind.
Displacer 3++, at the end of the phase scatter D6"
Power fields give models within 3" a 4++

Monster slayer is a power weapon, roll D6: 2-4 +1STR, 5-6 +2STR and Instant Death.

There is a combi plasma with Assault1 Blast plasma part and an assault 3, AP4 storm Bolter there too.
I like the Mace of Redemption. Str+3, AP3, Blind, concussive, AP2 vs C:CSM.
There is also an item for FnP and shrouded.

Flakk is 10 points on tac, scout, veteran and dev Missile Launchers. You do not lose frag & Krak.
No flakk for CMLs.

Stasis Anomaly". RW Grenade launcher gives -1 WS and Init to a UNIT hit.

Are there limits to the LS variants you can take with an attack squadron?

Can you take a "support squadron" of landspeeders and are there limitations on variants?
No, 1-5 LS and any can be upgraded to typhoon or tornado. New tornado options too, double multimelta now available.

Blade of Caliban for champ. Nerfed power axe.
Sgt can upgrade to "Power Weapon" so can be a sword.
Thats all.

No options for HQ bikes that I have found. Techmarines CAN have bikes though.

All HQs can have bikes except company masters and named characters.
There are no additional options for the bikes to make them plasma talons or anything.

Fleshbane! AP3
Master Crafted, WS6 and Fleshbane means the SoS is a real option now. He has a special rule for shooting too (Though only a storm bolter) so you kind of waste that with the TLC and TH&SS options.

We know Ravensword is AP2

Asmodai has Blades of reason again!
Str as user, AP- Instant death, Specialist weapon.

Azrael got FnP (6+)! hehe.
His plasma gun also has Blind USR.

All Landspeeders have Deep Strike too.

RW Attack Squadron is almost identical to last codex. More Tornado options, can have typhoon, Pay for the MM upgrade on AB, The Squad with 2x Melts, AB with MultiMelta and Sgt with combi-melta is possible at 165points.
Has Hit & Run and Sgts and Vet Sgts can take combi weapons and things like Lightning claw, TH and stuff.

The RW banner means you auto win the init roll to hit & run too.

Regarding Techmarines:
*How many servitors are allowed?
1-5
*What is the cap on servitor heavy weapons? Is it two max same as Codex Space Marines?
Yes
*Can DA Techmarines fortify terrain?
Yes
*Are there any traits or wargear items that distinguish them from Techmarines in other Chapters?
Grim Resolve, all Special Issue Wargear allowed (Except Jump Pack).

Originally Posted by bobafett012
does belial come with warlord trait of his own or do you roll on the DA or rule book table?
Belial (And Asmodai and Ezekiel) has "The Hunt" which is about the worst warlord trait I've seen. Its a small chance of +1 VP.
Sammael has rapid manoeuvres and Azrael can choose from the DA table.

**Savageconvoy**

Looks like blind is also getting thrown around quite a bit.

**pretre**

That's good. At least they are using the new USRS they created.

**Savageconvoy**

Completely agree. Same thing with Flakk.

**Exergy**

pretre wrote:
That's good. At least they are using the new USRS they created.

too bad CSM got a liberal does of Fear and Soul Blaze

**Tiger9gamer**

I'm happy flakk dosen't replace other choices

wait.... Did I read that right? A banner that gives boltguns Salvo 2/4?

please tell me it's an upgrade or special character.

**Exergy**

three plasma cannon blasts would have been too similar to the CSM forgefiend. (which costs 200 points as well)

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Tiger9gamer wrote:
I'm happy flakk dosen't replace other choices

wait.... Did I read that right? A banner that gives boltguns Salvo 2/4?

please tell me it's an upgrade or special character.

4 shots at 24" instead of 1. Quad firepower!

**Tiger9gamer**

Could it affect allies as well? say some kind of Elite that guards the Stern.

40 Hellfire rounds at 24, possibly with a Divination libby.

**Exergy**

Tiger9gamer wrote:
Could it affect allies as well? say some kind of Elite that guards the Stern.

40 Hellfire rounds at 24, possibly with a Divination libby.

why stop at 40? You can probably get 2 squads in the 6" bubble. 80 shots. If it goes by the unit and not the model you could have hundreds....

**Tiger9gamer**

Damn.

That's awsome

500 pts of Imperial fist allies, Here I come!

**Exergy**

Exergy wrote:
Tiger9gamer wrote:
Could it affect allies as well? say some kind of Elite that guards the Stern.

40 Hellfire rounds at 24, possibly with a Divination libby.

why stop at 40? You can probably get 2 squads in the 6" bubble. 80 shots. If it goes by the unit and not the model you could have hundreds....

note that if you put 25 expensive marines all inside a 6" bubble your opponent will drop a battle cannon on you, but DA have area 4++, or aegis defense line and a speeder that gives stealth.

**Tiger9gamer**

yea, but it would still be pretty scary. sounds like a fun thing to do!

**pretre**

Get Lysander in there if we are being silly.

Don't assault that unit.

**Exergy**

pretre wrote:
Get Lysander in there if we are being silly.

Don't assault that unit.

it would be more than one unit, but assault away, just make sure you have something to take the overwatch first

**AlmightyWalrus**

Tiger9gamer wrote:
Could it affect allies as well? say some kind of Elite that guards the Stern.

40 Hellfire rounds at 24, possibly with a Divination libby.

Not to be that guy, but did you read what the post said? Specifically, the part where it's "all friendly models from Codex: Dark Angels only"?

**Tiger9gamer**

just as well. Still, that can give tactical squads some edge.

**BTNeophyte**

Halberd is S 6 AP2?

From the emperor's champion, @#$%#@#$# you GW