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 DarthMarko wrote:
No doubt you LOL-ed it...or any hateful comment towards SW, but that's you...

I often forget how emotional people get involving their favorite faction, something I have admittedly been guilty of (I am sure someone could dig up my rage concerning the newcron codex).

Lighten up a little, learn to take some ribbing on your favorite faction.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:
No doubt you LOL-ed it...or any hateful comment towards SW, but that's you...

I often forget how emotional people get involving their favorite faction, something I have admittedly been guilty of (I am sure someone could dig up my rage concerning the newcron codex).

Lighten up a little, learn to take some ribbing on your favorite faction.

I'd rather dig up your rage about the Ultramarines and my worry about them seeming like a bunch of racists. Much funnier.

I have rage about the Ultramarines?

Mhm, don't you remember?

I do not.

Doesn't matter much anyway.

I like to think that some miscellaneous Space Marines Chapters joined the Tau.
Also, I believe the Angry Marines are the eleventh legion.

And I would like to be mindwiped right now.

The "Newcrons". There's pros and cons about them but overall I just like the old ones better. I prefer them being death incarnate and I miss the C'tan too.


Also, Draigo.....stupid Draigo.

Yeah, I prefered it when necrons were just mindless machines of death, somewhat tragic shadows of their former selves enslaved to the will of unknowable Star-Gods.

Not metal Tomb Kings (From Spess!) with the broken C'tan as Pokemon-type things.

Do Croatians swear allegiance to the Russ or something? Seems they really don't like you bashing SW over there.

BTW totally agree on the SW hate, worst. chapter. ever.

 Garvy wrote:

 ChaoticBob wrote:
In my 40k universe Space Wolves are limp wristed, lisping Carrot Tops who run away flailing and screaming if there's a spider in the room. They also cry for no apparent reason and only drink Bud Light because regular Bud is "Thimply too thtrong for uth thpathe wolvth!"
.

No, that is probably you IRL...

Only the thing about the spiders...

I'm probably throwing stones in a glass house, though. With the new C:CSM and all. Still, the scars from 5th ed remain.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Whoever says that Russ was the smartest Primarch is fooling themselves. He's a weapon, Dorn's the Tactician.

And Guilliman the stratigist, and Alpharius Omegon the... other smart guys.

Rogal Dorn is Rommel, Guilliman is Patton.

It makes a lot more sense than you might think. The Imperial Fists logo is a black fist on a white background, and their heraldry often employs the Aquila in the same manner. Just like Prussia and later Germany used the black eagle on a white background. Hence the fists can be construed as space German to a point.

The Ultramarine's usage of blue and white makes them easily connected to Americans, but it goes further here to. The Ultramarines and the Fists had their rivalry when Guilliman released the Codex. Patton and Rommel had their own rivalry during the Africa campaign. Only this time it is Guilliman being the magnificent bastard and writing the book rather than Dorn/Rommel. Patton was also criticized by many for his methods of command, much like how the Codex is not without its detractors.

So we have Rogal Dorn/Erwin Rommel. One of the best tacticians of his time (Though possibly lacking in long term strategy, see Dorn's opinion on the Codex in long term goals), with heraldry and traditions based in Germany.

Then we have Roboute Guilliman/George S. Patton. Excellent strategist to some, widely criticized at the same time, with heraldry rooted in the United States.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Whoever says that Russ was the smartest Primarch is fooling themselves. He's a weapon, Dorn's the Tactician.

And Guilliman the stratigist, and Alpharius Omegon the... other smart guys.

Rogal Dorn is Rommel, Guilliman is Patton.

It makes a lot more sense than you might think. The Imperial Fists logo is a black fist on a white background, and their heraldry often employs the Aquila in the same manner. Just like Prussia and later Germany used the black eagle on a white background. Hence the fists can be construed as space German to a point.

The Ultramarine's usage of blue and white makes them easily connected to Americans, but it goes further here to. The Ultramarines and the Fists had their rivalry when Guilliman released the Codex. Patton and Rommel had their own rivalry during the Africa campaign. Only this time it is Guilliman being the magnificent bastard and writing the book rather than Dorn/Rommel. Patton was also criticized by many for his methods of command, much like how the Codex is not without its detractors.

So we have Rogal Dorn/Erwin Rommel. One of the best tacticians of his time (Though possibly lacking in long term strategy, see Dorn's opinion on the Codex in long term goals), with heraldry and traditions based in Germany.

Then we have Roboute Guilliman/George S. Patton. Excellent strategist to some, widely criticized at the same time, with heraldry rooted in the United States.

So what is then Perturabo who rules them in every aspect ?

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Whoever says that Russ was the smartest Primarch is fooling themselves. He's a weapon, Dorn's the Tactician.

And Guilliman the stratigist, and Alpharius Omegon the... other smart guys.

Rogal Dorn is Rommel, Guilliman is Patton.

It makes a lot more sense than you might think. The Imperial Fists logo is a black fist on a white background, and their heraldry often employs the Aquila in the same manner. Just like Prussia and later Germany used the black eagle on a white background. Hence the fists can be construed as space German to a point.

The Ultramarine's usage of blue and white makes them easily connected to Americans, but it goes further here to. The Ultramarines and the Fists had their rivalry when Guilliman released the Codex. Patton and Rommel had their own rivalry during the Africa campaign. Only this time it is Guilliman being the magnificent bastard and writing the book rather than Dorn/Rommel. Patton was also criticized by many for his methods of command, much like how the Codex is not without its detractors.

So we have Rogal Dorn/Erwin Rommel. One of the best tacticians of his time (Though possibly lacking in long term strategy, see Dorn's opinion on the Codex in long term goals), with heraldry and traditions based in Germany.

Then we have Roboute Guilliman/George S. Patton. Excellent strategist to some, widely criticized at the same time, with heraldry rooted in the United States.

So what is then Perturabo who rules them in every aspect ?

Perturabo is a genetically engineered supersoldier known as a Primarch who excels at siege warfare and uses logic over faith to control battlefields like a machine rather than a zealot. So he's a Vulcan mixed with Skynet.

Rogal Dorn I assumed more to be Bernard Law Montgomery with a bit of George Washington sprinkled in just for fun.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Then we have Roboute Guilliman/George S. Patton. Excellent strategist to some, widely criticized at the same time, with heraldry rooted in the United States.

Ultramarine heraldry is rooted in Ancient Rome, not the US.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Then we have Roboute Guilliman/George S. Patton. Excellent strategist to some, widely criticized at the same time, with heraldry rooted in the United States.

Ultramarine heraldry is rooted in Ancient Rome, not the US.

Yeah, I don't really understand that one either! The United States?!

What, because of the eagle? I think our American cousins were late to the party with the eagles all over the place. Most obviously being the Germans (among many others)

Its clearly Graeco-Roman right? And it always has been as far as I'm aware. Surely America being such a young country made up of citizens from all over the place, it has taken all of its heraldry from other places right? Bears and Lions and Eagles and gak like that... even the national flag is the same colours as the British one, which was on purpose seeing as it was made whilst still a British colony and the original one was the colonial one similar to Hawaii's.

Maybe something Native American (Indian) would be cool and pretty original though, are there any chapters that have been made along those lines? I saw one guys homebrew chapter here on dakka come to mention it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Then we have Roboute Guilliman/George S. Patton. Excellent strategist to some, widely criticized at the same time, with heraldry rooted in the United States.

Ultramarine heraldry is rooted in Ancient Rome, not the US.

Read the title of the thread again. I take Eagle, Blue and White, and Patton and apply to Ultramarines.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
... heraldry rooted in the United States....
... I take Eagle, Blue and White...

You can't be serious...

 verterdegete wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
... heraldry rooted in the United States....
... I take Eagle, Blue and White...

You can't be serious...

Personal. Fluff. Retcons. RTFT.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Only this time it is Guilliman being the magnificent bastard and writing the book rather than Dorn/Rommel.

So Guilliman is like Patton except when he is being like Rommel?

The Ultramarine U, their key icon IMO, is certainly older than any American history (resembling an upside down, upper case Omega to my inner physicist) and your two colours (Blue and White) were the colours of the Greek flag the last time I checked.....

I guess DarthMarko will be the only one who gets this but...

Blue uniforms, letter "U"... Guess the Ultramarines are Dinamo Zagreb fans 40k years in the future.


@Topic

I tend to ignore Cabal/John Grammaticus part of the fluff.

 verterdegete wrote:
I guess DarthMarko will be the only one who gets this but...

Blue uniforms, letter "U"... Guess the Ultramarines are Dinamo Zagreb fans 40k years in the future.


@Topic

I tend to ignore Cabal/John Grammaticus part of the fluff.

Hahahahaha - you nailed it friend, if only they knew our circus history ...
Off topic : I hate those dumb nationalists..

P.S. Ultramarines Eagle could be from Serbia (wink,wink,nod,nod)

Ollanius Pius was not an ageless buddy of the Emperor, but just a man who was in the right place at the right time. His sacrifice showed that no matter how small a life, humanity was worth fighting for, giving Empy the resolve to defeat Horus.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Ollanius Pius was not an ageless buddy of the Emperor, but just a man who was in the right place at the right time. His sacrifice showed that no matter how small a life, humanity was worth fighting for, giving Empy the resolve to defeat Horus.

Or you could say he was "in the wrong place, at the wrong time "

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Ollanius Pius was not an ageless buddy of the Emperor, but just a man who was in the right place at the right time. His sacrifice showed that no matter how small a life, humanity was worth fighting for, giving Empy the resolve to defeat Horus.

Or you could say he was "in the wrong place, at the wrong time "

Or it could be both. "The Right Man in the Wrong Place can make all the difference in the world. Now, wake up, Mister Pius. Wake up and, smell the ashes."

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Ollanius Pius was not an ageless buddy of the Emperor, but just a man who was in the right place at the right time. His sacrifice showed that no matter how small a life, humanity was worth fighting for, giving Empy the resolve to defeat Horus.

A million times, yes.

My personal fluff mods:

1. Dune (and possibly Fallout) are in-continuity with 40k.

2. Squats were (mostly) wiped out by the Tyranids but they still exist in small numbers. This was the first recon by GW, the second (bad, IMO) recon was to memory hole them entirely.

3. Orks have green blood, damnit.

Edit: and yes, bring back old Pius. It wasn't a Custode who stepped in from of Horus, but an ordinary Guardsman. That's the point: the reciprocal sacrifice of Emperor for man and man for Emperor.

Aqvila Invictis wrote:
My personal fluff mods:

1. Dune (and possibly Fallout) are in-continuity with 40k.

2. Squats were (mostly) wiped out by the Tyranids but they still exist in small numbers. This was the first recon by GW, the second (bad, IMO) recon was to memory hole them entirely.

3. Orks have green blood, damnit.

I just wanted to say "Dune" is 40k x 100 in depth and sf terms IMHO...
I'm glad there are more fans who like me see the connection....

Also Pius vs chink in the armor don't work together in my eyes...