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You can give the cml to a th/ss if you want.

I still don't see the point of adding a CML to a TH Terminator.

Puscifer wrote:
I still don't see the point of adding a CML to a TH Terminator.

3+ invu. Nuff' said.

Puscifer wrote:
I still don't see the point of adding a CML to a TH Terminator.

It give you exelent Close Combat abbility and still be able to shoot stuff 48" away

Ok the 3++ is worth it, but I always put the CML in the back of the squad and the TH guys at the front when disembarking from the Crusader.

My thinking with them is a mix of TH/SS and LC Deathwing and giving the Cyclone to a pair of the LCs. Then when thy Deep Strike I would place the two Cyclones 1st and then surround them the Storm Shields or at least put all of the Storm Shields facing the Enemy.

Could someone please clarify if vector strikes ignore cover? My group claims you get cover vs vector strikes, and my only "argument" that cover saves are vs shooting attacks only isn't really supported by the rules. I'd love to have my heldrakes be good at knocking down skimmers again.

Spellbound wrote:
Could someone please clarify if vector strikes ignore cover? My group claims you get cover vs vector strikes, and my only "argument" that cover saves are vs shooting attacks only isn't really supported by the rules. I'd love to have my heldrakes be good at knocking down skimmers again.

Here is a thread in YMDC about this very issue: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/495319.page#5089404

Puscifer wrote:
Ok the 3++ is worth it, but I always put the CML in the back of the squad and the TH guys at the front when disembarking from the Crusader.

Well for 5 points you make your CML a good bit more durable if you end up needing invuls and a much better chance of using it post assault. Otherwise no, a TH/SS in the back as you run out isn't really necessary. I think that becomes much more useful when you try to pull stunts like Deathwing Assaulting right in front of LasCannons etc which is lots of fun. Personally I put it LC's usually and have other models bring the TH/SS but both configurations look somewhat intimidating.

Well I have a bunch converted up from the DV Assault Cannon guy so I'll be sticking with them I think.

I'm going to get a list up soon for my DW army.

I like the new dex a lot. Loads of options and I can't wait to build a Ravenwing force.

 labmouse42 wrote:

 Kingsley wrote:
Sternguard squad firing Dragonfire rounds, etc.

A 2/3 chance to hit, and a 1/6 chance to glance means that each shot has a 1/9 chance of shooting. Their probably not shooting within 12", so that's 1 hull point down. What are the odds of the sternguard living to get another shot?

Sternguard are almost always taken in Drop Pods, which means they'll easily be within 12". Bubble-wrapping won't help either, since they ignore the cover anyway.

No idea what the Company Veteran Squad is there for. You get to pay more for a souped up tactical squad that cant score? And uses a elite slot? What a bad unit..

Glocknall wrote:
No idea what the Company Veteran Squad is there for. You get to pay more for a souped up tactical squad that cant score? And uses a elite slot? What a bad unit..

I concur, this is one of the few misfires in the book (unless you're playing Kill Team perhaps). Having extended Sternguard to BA, this unit entry seems like a step backwards TBH.

People have veteran squads from back when there were veteran squads. They made the unit so those people didn't have models that couldn't exist or had to call them normal tac squads. Thanks GW for not making our models obsolete - that's what people complain about most when new codexes come out, after all.


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Speaking of mistakes, how about that ravenwing command squad that can't take sacred standards?

I mean they can take "relic standards", but point that section of the wargear out to me....

Obviously just a typo but until an FAQ you'll technically just need an opponent/TO that's cool with it, kinda like the chaos terminator fiasco.

 Flashman wrote:

Glocknall wrote:
No idea what the Company Veteran Squad is there for. You get to pay more for a souped up tactical squad that cant score? And uses a elite slot? What a bad unit..

I concur, this is one of the few misfires in the book (unless you're playing Kill Team perhaps). Having extended Sternguard to BA, this unit entry seems like a step backwards TBH.

I agree, the command squad does the exact same thing but with way better options, the options that probably should have gone to the company veterans anyway.

Spellbound wrote:
People have veteran squads from back when there were veteran squads. They made the unit so those people didn't have models that couldn't exist or had to call them normal tac squads. Thanks GW for not making our models obsolete - that's what people complain about most when new codexes come out, after all.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Speaking of mistakes, how about that ravenwing command squad that can't take sacred standards?

I mean they can take "relic standards", but point that section of the wargear out to me....

Obviously just a typo but until an FAQ you'll technically just need an opponent/TO that's cool with it, kinda like the chaos terminator fiasco.

If you look at the iPad version of the codex or the Spanish version you'll see that this is an error and they can take Sacred Standards. Also the Darkshroud isn't supposed to have Stealth. The English version has a load of errors in it for some reason.

There are still a couple of uses for Vets, I think. They're still a very cheap way to get a lot of special / combi-weapons into a Rhino, which might fit well with a DW army. In an army with DW troops, you'll be short on special weapons but have plenty of Elite spots spare.

 Red Comet wrote:

Spellbound wrote:
People have veteran squads from back when there were veteran squads. They made the unit so those people didn't have models that couldn't exist or had to call them normal tac squads. Thanks GW for not making our models obsolete - that's what people complain about most when new codexes come out, after all.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Speaking of mistakes, how about that ravenwing command squad that can't take sacred standards?

I mean they can take "relic standards", but point that section of the wargear out to me....

Obviously just a typo but until an FAQ you'll technically just need an opponent/TO that's cool with it, kinda like the chaos terminator fiasco.

If you look at the iPad version of the codex or the Spanish version you'll see that this is an error and they can take Sacred Standards. Also the Darkshroud isn't supposed to have Stealth. The English version has a load of errors in it for some reason.

You'd think the English company in England would have caught some of this over the spanish version, i guess i know what department works harder over there

10 vets is 180 + 20 for 2 meltaguns + 30 for 3 combi meltas + pod works well, me personally I'm running plasma and combi plasma with standard of dev in a command squad, this is my anti termi squad for my green wing

Do the company veterans get the special rounds like the sternguard ?
In fact, is there anything in the Codex that gets access to special rounds ?

They do not get special ammunition, I havn't seen special "rounds" anywhere except for the combi-weapons. Don't quote me on the latter, I havn't read the book in depthly yet

Has anyone found any use for the Dark Vengeance models within the new Codex?

Yeah the dv models are all over the place

The DV-set-minis?
I don't find them bad...

The Tacs and Termies and bikers could fit somewhere, just standard models. If not, trade them.
The Chaplain is a problem maybe, but nice enough to trade him easily.

Librarian is an fine " Ezekiel " if you don't need that banner or create your own.
Company Master is an " Azrael ", no banner too but Sword and combi plasma and a winged helmet... so add one of the watchers from a dethwing-command-box and your done.

I am just curious does anything in the codex have eternal warrior? I haven't seen anyone mention this. Thanks everyone

 KillaCam wrote:
I am just curious does anything in the codex have eternal warrior? I haven't seen anyone mention this. Thanks everyone

Just sammy

I noticed the points costs are a little high for an IC w/o EW.

I'm also a little anxious about AP3 Power Swords.

All the DW/RW stuff is expensive pointswise too, but the wargear options are definitely unique compared to others that I've seen.

I'm worried that I'm going to have to pay at least another 60 bucks on a DW Command Squad and another 20 on Belial....I'm hoping that with 2 DV kits I should be able to grab a middle of the road Dark Angels list that just goes for a vanilla IC or maybe a SC other than Belial/Sammael.

Are assault cannons on Termies bad? Are Apothecaries worth it? Can I make a DW Apothecary out of a DW Command Squad?

Does anyone know, or can they tell me what it is in the dark angels codex that allows re-rolls of morale or leadership tests?

Played a Ravenwing army last night and the opponent said he could re-roll spirit leech tests from Doom?

Looked for you elder, nothing does, lots of morale 're-rolls but no ld ones mate.

 Formosa wrote:
Looked for you elder, nothing does, lots of morale 're-rolls but no ld ones mate.

So I got scammed over then, it was a VASSAL game, so couldn't ask to see the rule, and he was Italian, and claimed that LD and morale tests translate as the same thing, and despite my best efforts to explain the difference it didn't work, and I just wanted to get on with the game. Shame really, he rolled a 17 on Sammaels bike unit, and a 15 on his other Ravenwing unit.