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Actually, there was a thread bemoaning the lack of Seraphicus in the codex just yesterday. I thought it was silly, but apparently the FAQ writers didn't.

Thank you GW for making my choice to box up my Eldar and not direct any more $ at 40k a wise choice. Mechdar went from tournament tier to garbage overnight with 6th Ed. Not allow Farseers to use their powers out of a vehicles is just urinating on the army's grave.

I own 6 Wave Serpents, 2 Vypers, 3 Fire Prisms, and 3 Nightspinners and they are ALL now officially garbage.

Huzzah for Corvus Belli and Infinity!

Windir83 wrote:
Q: Blessings are manifested ‘at the start of the Psyker’s Movement
phase’ – does this mean they happen simultaneously with Reserves
rolls, Outflanking rolls etc and if so which is resolved first? (p68)
A: They do occur simultaneously – as such, the player whose
turn it is decides in what order these things occur as per
page 9 of the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook.

Hellooooooo casting blessing when coming in from reserves!

I think that's the wrong interpretation. It specifically says Reserver/Outflank roll. So a psyker already on the board, with a psychic ability that lowers Reserve rolls, can cast his power and then make the roll easier.

A roll for Reserve is different from the actual deployement, which is listed as a move (and we know psychic power is out at that point).

I'm also unable to access stuff because of work, so BT only received those two items? No second vow/EC after 2000 points and using the vehicle chart that grants BS/WS 5 to vens? That's it? How bout fixing what was damaged already guys. Hell, errata can fix these guys: cost goes to 14 ppm, come standard w/ grenades, rhinos cost less, more options/choices for SB. Done.

Also, what did Daemons gain/lose? Those are the only two I care about, personally.

 BlueDagger wrote:
I own 6 Wave Serpents, 2 Vypers, 3 Fire Prisms, and 3 Nightspinners and they are ALL now officially garbage.

Can't see how Nightspinners got any worse

 Flashman wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:
I own 6 Wave Serpents, 2 Vypers, 3 Fire Prisms, and 3 Nightspinners and they are ALL now officially garbage.

Can't see how Nightspinners got any worse

Nightspinners were fantastic, just most people didn't understand them. I had most people complaining they were cheese in 5th ed tournaments. Pieplate a horde and most fall over dead on a 2+ thanks to barrage negating cover typically. Then they move and another handful fell over. Versus 2+ you combine it with Doom at you had a Termi killing blast with Danger Terrain bonus. Versus bikes you could stop turboboosting with the monofiliment rule.

- Dangerous Terrain checks now allow armor
- Nightfight grants cover thus negating rending hits
- Nightfight disallows targeting past 36"
- Holofields are now garbage
- Turboboost is now in the shooting phase
- Vehicles are auto gibbed in CC

No need to continue...

Backfire wrote:
Vindicare bypasses Look out, Sir. Ouch.

It is indeed a good day!

 BlueDagger wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:
I own 6 Wave Serpents, 2 Vypers, 3 Fire Prisms, and 3 Nightspinners and they are ALL now officially garbage.

Can't see how Nightspinners got any worse

Nightspinners were fantastic, just most people didn't understand them. I had most people complaining they were cheese in 5th ed tournaments. Pieplate a horde and most fall over dead on a 2+ thanks to barrage negating cover typically. Then they move and another handful fell over. Versus 2+ you combine it with Doom at you had a Termi killing blast with Danger Terrain bonus. Versus bikes you could stop turboboosting with the monofiliment rule.

- Dangerous Terrain checks now allow armor
- Nightfight grants cover thus negating rending hits
- Nightfight disallows targeting past 36"
- Holofields are now garbage
- Turboboost is now in the shooting phase
- Vehicles are auto gibbed in CC

No need to continue...

Where is this from?

Q: If a unit is embarked on a Night Scythe that is Wrecked or Explodes, do they suffer Strength 10 hits with no armour saves as per the Crash and Burn rules before they are placed in reserve? (p81)
A: No

Oh, man, look at that. The intent clearly stated in the codex turned out to be right. Who'da thunkit?

blood reaper wrote:

Where is this from?

Vehicles are always hit on a 3+ at worst in CC by anything that's at least WS2, regardless of how far a vehicle has moved. Coupled with HP's, vehicles still hit on rear armor, and krak grenades being ubiquitous, it is easier for a tac squad to kill a flat out moving holofield tank on a charge than to kill 2 basic marines. A 10 man unit charging with krak grenades against any vehicle, no matter how far it has moved, as long as its rear AV is 10 (95% of the vehicles in the game), it will more than average the 3 HP loss required to kill it.

 blood reaper wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:
I own 6 Wave Serpents, 2 Vypers, 3 Fire Prisms, and 3 Nightspinners and they are ALL now officially garbage.

Can't see how Nightspinners got any worse

Nightspinners were fantastic, just most people didn't understand them. I had most people complaining they were cheese in 5th ed tournaments. Pieplate a horde and most fall over dead on a 2+ thanks to barrage negating cover typically. Then they move and another handful fell over. Versus 2+ you combine it with Doom at you had a Termi killing blast with Danger Terrain bonus. Versus bikes you could stop turboboosting with the monofiliment rule.

- Dangerous Terrain checks now allow armor
- Nightfight grants cover thus negating rending hits
- Nightfight disallows targeting past 36"
- Holofields are now garbage
- Turboboost is now in the shooting phase
- Vehicles are auto gibbed in CC

No need to continue...

Where is this from?

Sorry, that is more my opinion. Eldar skimmers use to reliably be able to get near an enemy force at high speed and the enemy would need 6+s to hit. In combination with Holofields it was extremely difficult to down them in CC. Now the worst you need in CC is a 3+ and models are no longer limited to 1 attack with most grenades. This means that even you basic 10 IG with krak went from 10 attack needing 6+ to 20 attacks needing 3+.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I'm also unable to access stuff because of work, so BT only received those two items? No second vow/EC after 2000 points and using the vehicle chart that grants BS/WS 5 to vens? That's it? How bout fixing what was damaged already guys. Hell, errata can fix these guys: cost goes to 14 ppm, come standard w/ grenades, rhinos cost less, more options/choices for SB. Done.

Also, what did Daemons gain/lose? Those are the only two I care about, personally.

Because its too easy to type a couple sentences and make a portion of your paying customers happy.

 BlueDagger wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:
I own 6 Wave Serpents, 2 Vypers, 3 Fire Prisms, and 3 Nightspinners and they are ALL now officially garbage.

Can't see how Nightspinners got any worse

Nightspinners were fantastic, just most people didn't understand them. I had most people complaining they were cheese in 5th ed tournaments. Pieplate a horde and most fall over dead on a 2+ thanks to barrage negating cover typically. Then they move and another handful fell over. Versus 2+ you combine it with Doom at you had a Termi killing blast with Danger Terrain bonus. Versus bikes you could stop turboboosting with the monofiliment rule.

- Dangerous Terrain checks now allow armor
- Nightfight grants cover thus negating rending hits
- Nightfight disallows targeting past 36"
- Holofields are now garbage
- Turboboost is now in the shooting phase
- Vehicles are auto gibbed in CC

No need to continue...

Where is this from?

Sorry, that is more my opinion. Eldar skimmers use to reliably be able to get near an enemy force at high speed and the enemy would need 6+s to hit. In combination with Holofields it was extremely difficult to down them in CC. Now the worst you need in CC is a 3+ and models are no longer limited to 1 attack with most grenades. This means that even you basic 10 IG with krak went from 10 attack needing 6+ to 20 attacks needing 3+.

You only ever get one attack per model on assault with grenades regardless of the model's actual Attack characteristic. See page 61 of the main book.

 Deadshot wrote:


Your fething joking! What a load of bull. If he was supposed to be a Character he'd BE IN THE FETHING CODEX NUMBNUTS. Who writes these?

You mean like if they wanted every model in a Company Vets squad to be able to take an option?

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


Your fething joking! What a load of bull. If he was supposed to be a Character he'd BE IN THE FETHING CODEX NUMBNUTS. Who writes these?

You mean like if they wanted every model in a Company Vets squad to be able to take an option?

Yes, the one irritation in an otherwise good codex, is the sheer number of glaring typos that I spotted on my first read through. I know it's easy to miss them when you've been working on a big document for ages, but that's what proof readers are for.

andrewm9 wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:
I own 6 Wave Serpents, 2 Vypers, 3 Fire Prisms, and 3 Nightspinners and they are ALL now officially garbage.

Can't see how Nightspinners got any worse

Nightspinners were fantastic, just most people didn't understand them. I had most people complaining they were cheese in 5th ed tournaments. Pieplate a horde and most fall over dead on a 2+ thanks to barrage negating cover typically. Then they move and another handful fell over. Versus 2+ you combine it with Doom at you had a Termi killing blast with Danger Terrain bonus. Versus bikes you could stop turboboosting with the monofiliment rule.

- Dangerous Terrain checks now allow armor
- Nightfight grants cover thus negating rending hits
- Nightfight disallows targeting past 36"
- Holofields are now garbage
- Turboboost is now in the shooting phase
- Vehicles are auto gibbed in CC

No need to continue...

Where is this from?

Sorry, that is more my opinion. Eldar skimmers use to reliably be able to get near an enemy force at high speed and the enemy would need 6+s to hit. In combination with Holofields it was extremely difficult to down them in CC. Now the worst you need in CC is a 3+ and models are no longer limited to 1 attack with most grenades. This means that even you basic 10 IG with krak went from 10 attack needing 6+ to 20 attacks needing 3+.

You only ever get one attack per model on assault with grenades regardless of the model's actual Attack characteristic. See page 61 of the main book.

Touche, I stopped playing 40k about 3 months ago so I'm rusty on 6th ed. However even 10 S6 Krak attacks is statistically 3.3 statistical glances/pens on a AV 10 vehicle. That is vs the 0.68 statistical glances/pens in 5th ed and that isn't even taking into account the holofields that are now useless.

andrewm9 wrote:

You only ever get one attack per model on assault with grenades regardless of the model's actual Attack characteristic. See page 61 of the main book.

Even with only one attack however, a 10man squad even with below average rolling will on average kill 95% of the vehicles in the game in one round as a result of the to-hit changes, HP's and hitting on rear armor.

But atleast transports can now have their occupants overwatch out of firepoints.

Another reason why the Devilfish is crap.

Q: If a unit embarked in a Night Scythe that is Wrecked or Explodes, do they suffer a Strength 10 hit with no armour saves as per the Crash and Burn rule before they are placed in reserve?
A:No

Its times like this there was an "up yours" emoticon.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
But atleast transports can now have their occupants overwatch out of firepoints.

that was already a rule. First sentence of P80.

 WarOne wrote:
And lo and behold Abbadon can join units with a Mark of Chaos.

Which is good for like the two people that still take him.

Windir83 wrote:
Page 99 – Noise Marines, Options.
Change the third bullet point to “One Noise Marine may
replace his boltgun with a blastmaster at 30 pts/model. If the
squad numbers ten or more models, an additional Noise
Marine may replace his boltgun with a blastmaster at 30
pts/model..”
'
BOOOM!

Yup, CSM are gonna roll Ravenwing now.

 Shandara wrote:
Q: Do models nominated as Plague Zombies from Codex: Chaos Space
Marines count as followers of Nurgle for the purposes of Epidemius’
Tally of Pestilence? (p52)
A: No.

Oh well..

 adhuin wrote:

"Q: Does the Vindicare Assassin’s Deadshot special rule supersede the
Look Out, Sir special rule for the purposes of Wound allocation,
meaning that the player who owns the Vindicare Assassin is still
allowed to allocate the wounds from its shooting even if their opponent
makes and passes a Look Out, Sir roll? (p53)"
A: Yes.

Down with Culexus and up with the Vindicares!

Vindicare Assassins can now actually *gasp!* assassinate people? (I.E no look out sir) Awesomesauce! Vindicares own now.

 Malthor wrote:

I had to laugh at the DA FAQ, there is a full page of Errata there which is easily the most I have seen that I can remember even including edition change over type things.

The Dark Angel one is hilarious. So many basic errors in the printed edition. I really like that they realised they forgot an entire special character from the DA book. This is pretty gak even by Games Workshop standards.

 pretre wrote:
Q: Do models in a multiple Toughness value unit who are involved
in a Challenge still use the majority Toughness of their unit? (p64)
A: No, they use their own Toughness value.

This actually used to come up fairly often because if playing RAW, they still used majority Toughness. I'm glad they fixed it.

 pretre wrote:
Q: How do I determine the Arc of Sight for a Heldrake’s ranged
weapon? (p52)
A: Treat the Heldrake’s ranged weapon as a Turret Mounted
Weapon, measuring all ranges from the edge of the Heldrake’s
base nearest to the target unit.

Heldrake weapons are turrets, meaning they can blow up a transport then gak flames all over its contents from behind.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
Q: Can a model with the ability to repair Hull Points or Immobilised/Weapon Destroyed results from the Vehicle Damage Table use this ability on Zooming Flyers? (p80)
A: No.

Well that makes sense, unless the model with the repair ability is inside a zooming transport in need of repair.

No more meks throwing wrenches at airplanes...

Also:

-- Kelly's Noise Marine stupidity got fixed, they're much nicer now.

-- For all that is holy, they finally FAQed Mycetic spores so you get a 6" disembark like on every other thing you disembark from.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

So flamers of Tzeentch can only fry models under the flame template unless one of them also shoots 18" range warp fire then the flame templates can reach out 18" to fry models.

I'm with Yakface on this one, it doesn't help and just makes the system more gamey.

 Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:
The Dark Eldar one doesn't seem to have changed at all.

Except there might be an additional explanation, of how and when Lady Malys Precognisant ability works, from last time. I say might because I'm not sure if it was in the last one.

Yeah, I didn't see anything in there other than lady Malys clarifications. Missed a perfect oppertunity to give Wyches their dodge save vs all wounds. Thus making them somewhat useful again.

If you can overwatch out of transports, does that mean you can overwatch out of buildings since they are treated as immobile transport vehicles in most cases?

Deathmarks back to trash tier, woop woop.

 BlueDagger wrote:
Thank you GW for making my choice to box up my Eldar and not direct any more $ at 40k a wise choice. Mechdar went from tournament tier to garbage overnight with 6th Ed. Not allow Farseers to use their powers out of a vehicles is just urinating on the army's grave.

I own 6 Wave Serpents, 2 Vypers, 3 Fire Prisms, and 3 Nightspinners and they are ALL now officially garbage.

I too am shocked that an almost 7-year-old codex is sub-par 2 game editions later... now stop whining and buy more space marines! Shareholder Ferraris don't fuel themselves you know.

 Ledabot wrote:
I don't get the tau changes. Great! Now to hit flyers with seekers, we need a 6+ for the marker light and the missile. What a pointless change.

Only superior Tau technology is capable of building absolute worst anti-aircraft unit in the entire Galaxy...

Q: If a unit is embarked on a Night Scythe that is Wrecked or Explodes,
do they suffer Strength 10 hits with no armour saves as per the Crash
and Burn rules before they are placed in reserve? (p81)
A: No.
-----
Q: When making Snap Shots, do weapons with a special rule or
effect that only applies on To Hit rolls of a 6 retain these abilities?
For example Necron Tesla weapons? (p13)
A: Yes.
----


some vindication here.... local group argued me blue in the face to the opposite on these. "Victory is mine!" - stewie griffen

Vector Strike ignores cover now? Damn the Hell Turkeys just keep getting better and better!

And not one mention of the Valkyrie's/Vendetta's Scout/Outflank issue.