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Mutilators, as they should be:

Step 1: Find better models.

Step 2: Cost: 55 ppm
WS...BS...S...T...W...I...A...LD...Sv
...5.....2....4...4....2...4..2....9....2+
Unit Type: Infantry
Composition: 1-5 Mutilators
wargear: Fleshmetal, Mutilator weapons - as listed in Codex: Chaos Space Marines, with two additions: once per game may manifest two power scourges, and they may swap one of their two weapons for lasher tendrils. This is may be used every turn.
Special Rules: Daemon, Deep Strike, Very Bulky

Step 3: Actually use Mutilators.

Dude you made them worse! hahaha

So always AP2 and the ability to smash, Move through cover and Hammer of Wrath is worse than the ability to have fists every second round of combat?

Don't forget they can also strike at initiative, so mark of slaanesh actually has a purpose now.

IDK, this just seems like just a lateral move.

It only made them better against infantry.


I'd give them the rule they have in the codex for swapping weapons, allow them to use the same weapon in consecutive rounds, and increase the unit size to 5.

Making them Monstrous Creatures makes this hard to take seriously.

They are the CSM version of Assault Terminators that can do things better with more flexibility than using Chaos Terminators to do it.

Then why not have csm assault terminators? Mutilators fill a role that didn't need to be filled and could easily be covered by terminators, but someone decided that Mutilators needed to exist.

Because mutilators are cc obliterators

 A GumyBear wrote:
Because mutilators are cc obliterators

except they aren't mutilating much of anything, especially when they can't even use the same weapon twice.

Not a big deal.

If you are fighting 2+ saves you simply swap between Power Fists and Chainfists.

If fighting anything else you swap between Lightning Claws and Power Swords.

They were made just to have the concept of what a cc oblit would be like and hopefully in the future with allies they get a race that they will synergize great with and people will ally them

 Grey Templar wrote:
Not a big deal.

If you are fighting 2+ saves you simply swap between Power Fists and Chainfists.

If fighting anything else you swap between Lightning Claws and Power Swords.

No power fists.

Only LC, CF, Axes, Swords and Mauls.

Ok, chainfists and Axes.

Edit- Sorry, don't know what happened there!

Edited the OP. I'm thinking of giving them the ability to manifest something like a storm shield. What say you?

Cant renember if they have the daemon special rule but if they dont give them that and if they do then MoT

welcome to another installment of "why the fans don't write the rules"...

Monstrous Creatures? Really? So now everything will run from a 55 pt model with AP2 attacks. MC should not be used by anything so cheap or small.

Storm Shields? Of course, since the rest of Chaos is not allowed to use them, give a Daemon another invulnerable save...

Monstrous Creatures? Really? So now everything will run from a 55 pt model with AP2 attacks. MC should not be used by anything so cheap or small.

The Necron Canoptek spyder is a MC at 50 points, with higher stats, and come with fearless. It even comes with S6/T6.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
welcome to another installment of "why the fans don't write the rules"...

Monstrous Creatures? Really? So now everything will run from a 55 pt model with AP2 attacks. MC should not be used by anything so cheap or small.

Storm Shields? Of course, since the rest of Chaos is not allowed to use them, give a Daemon another invulnerable save...

Keep your shorts on, sparky. I changed it back to infantry, which I meant to do earlier. Why shouldn't MC be used by anything so small? It's a set of rules, or would you rather me write out Smash, Relentless, and Move through Cover? It only has 2 attacks base, 4 if charging and 3 in combat, giving it at most 2 smash attacks. I mean, god forbid he has 4 S4 AP2 attacks, that'd be like... a Khorne Lord with the Axe of Blind Fury, or a DW terminator with the halberd of Caliban (but with 2 less Strength and one less attack on the charge). Just because it says Monstrous Creature does not automatically give the model Daemon Prince or Hive Tyrant stats.

Oh, and no, I'm sure those TH/SS terminators only have that SS save, right? Because that other Terminator 5+ save disappears via magic when they get that SS. Chaos does not have access to Storm Shields, the only 3+ save they do have is 40 points and a combination of the Sigil and MoT, which is not helpful when you want... any other mark. Chaos terminators/ TEQ have at best a 4+ invuln, whereas Deathwing Knights have T5 and a 3+ invuln.

And refer to the post right above mine for another cheap and "small" MC.