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DarthDiggler wrote:
The army breakdown of the top finishers is remarkable. Mike will have all the data from the past, but has there been another time when the top 9 finishers all had the last two codex releases? The 10th place finisher is the first guy without either Tau or Eldar in his list.

I would have to agree that being able to ally with yourself is pretty good. Being able to ally with yourself while almost no one else can is even better.

This post is gold.

Do you just know the armies used, or is it on the torrent somewhere?

We discussed it a bit here in person, but the stats on army win percentage across the entire event (not just the top bracket) is incredibly interesting.

http://app.torrentoffire.com/#/stats/armies

Armies that included either Tau (primary or allies) won 66% of the time. Eldar has a similar figure.

Eldar allied to Tau? 76% win rate.

Take into account the sheer volume of both tau and eldar in attendance, and the number of tau vs tau or eldar vs eldar games that occurred keeping those rates down, and man...

It really makes you think.

I am very excited to see what else we can mine as more and more data is gathered from ToF.

quiestdeus wrote:
We discussed it a bit here in person, but the stats on army win percentage across the entire event (not just the top bracket) is incredibly interesting.

http://app.torrentoffire.com/#/stats/armies

Armies that included either Tau (primary or allies) won 66% of the time. Eldar has a similar figure.

Eldar allied to Tau? 76% win rate.

Take into account the sheer volume of both tau and eldar in attendance, and the number of tau vs tau or eldar vs eldar games that occurred keeping those rates down, and man...

It really makes you think.

I am very excited to see what else we can mine as more and more data is gathered from ToF.

I haven't been playing nor have I read either codex. In a nutshell, what makes these armies do so well besides good players? Do they have enough anti-necron in them to push them out of the top spots?

As Jeremy V said after the open... C:SM came five weeks too late.

My newest list is Eldar and Tau and it is easily my best after 10 years of playing. My only hope is 2,3 or even 4 of SM, Nids, IG and Orks have the goods too. Since Tau breaks the rules of shooting and they have completely removed assaulting from reserves my hopes aren't high for equal levels of power but maybe the units will get good rules and points adjustments like the aspect warriors.

Well done to Alex Harrison for coming 8th in the invitional and 2nd in the open!. Very good showing and representing the english ETC team I think!.

General Hobbs wrote:

quiestdeus wrote:
We discussed it a bit here in person, but the stats on army win percentage across the entire event (not just the top bracket) is incredibly interesting.

http://app.torrentoffire.com/#/stats/armies

Armies that included either Tau (primary or allies) won 66% of the time. Eldar has a similar figure.

Eldar allied to Tau? 76% win rate.

Take into account the sheer volume of both tau and eldar in attendance, and the number of tau vs tau or eldar vs eldar games that occurred keeping those rates down, and man...

It really makes you think.

I am very excited to see what else we can mine as more and more data is gathered from ToF.

I haven't been playing nor have I read either codex. In a nutshell, what makes these armies do so well besides good players? Do they have enough anti-necron in them to push them out of the top spots?

Tau have markerlights and riptides. The new ML rules let them increase BS against flyers. They can still reduce cover saves. The riptides have a strength 8 ap2 large blast weapon. Without cover those blast weapons wipe armies off of the table.

Eldar have wave serpents with 3+ cover, and wraithguard with ap2 flamers amongst other things.

Being able to ally with the supplement codicies allows people to take lots of the good elite stuff. There is a reason that force organization exists. Allying with yourself avoids most of the limitations of force org. I saw a tau guy playing 5 riptides yesterday. (It is not an optimal list, but it is still brutal.)

MarkyMark wrote:
Well done to Alex Harrison for coming 8th in the invitional and 2nd in the open!. Very good showing and representing the english ETC team I think!.

That is impressive!

Just wanted to stop in and say to everyone I met and played against. Thanks for making this a bucket of fun!

To MVBrandt thanks again to you and your team for putting on an awesome event! I'm looking forward to attending again next year.

 spaceelf wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:

quiestdeus wrote:
We discussed it a bit here in person, but the stats on army win percentage across the entire event (not just the top bracket) is incredibly interesting.

http://app.torrentoffire.com/#/stats/armies

Armies that included either Tau (primary or allies) won 66% of the time. Eldar has a similar figure.

Eldar allied to Tau? 76% win rate.

Take into account the sheer volume of both tau and eldar in attendance, and the number of tau vs tau or eldar vs eldar games that occurred keeping those rates down, and man...

It really makes you think.

I am very excited to see what else we can mine as more and more data is gathered from ToF.

I haven't been playing nor have I read either codex. In a nutshell, what makes these armies do so well besides good players? Do they have enough anti-necron in them to push them out of the top spots?

Tau have markerlights and riptides. The new ML rules let them increase BS against flyers. They can still reduce cover saves. The riptides have a strength 8 ap2 large blast weapon. Without cover those blast weapons wipe armies off of the table.

Eldar have wave serpents with 3+ cover, and wraithguard with ap2 flamers amongst other things.

Being able to ally with the supplement codicies allows people to take lots of the good elite stuff. There is a reason that force organization exists. Allying with yourself avoids most of the limitations of force org. I saw a tau guy playing 5 riptides yesterday. (It is not an optimal list, but it is still brutal.)

Not Optimal? you mean Justin cook? the guy that won the whole thing?

I thought Justin had 4? Is 5 even possible?

frgsinwntr wrote:

 spaceelf wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:

quiestdeus wrote:


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Tau have markerlights and riptides. The new ML rules let them increase BS against flyers. They can still reduce cover saves. The riptides have a strength 8 ap2 large blast weapon. Without cover those blast weapons wipe armies off of the table.

Eldar have wave serpents with 3+ cover, and wraithguard with ap2 flamers amongst other things.

Being able to ally with the supplement codicies allows people to take lots of the good elite stuff. There is a reason that force organization exists. Allying with yourself avoids most of the limitations of force org. I saw a tau guy playing 5 riptides yesterday. (It is not an optimal list, but it is still brutal.)

Not Optimal? you mean Justin cook? the guy that won the whole thing?

Amazing to me as well the armchair quarterbacks that pass judgements on lists...

Chancetragedy wrote:I thought Justin had 4? Is 5 even possible?

Yes, if you take the SC Riptide, along with the three base and one ally.

he was running only 4

zedsdead wrote:
he was running only 4

I'm glad that he restrained himself

The invite and the open were both great events and I am happy to have had the opportunity to play in both. A shout out to Mike Brandt and staff that made this GT a great experience.

What makes the riptide over the top is when you can add the IC to hit to start providing things like "Ignore Cover", Twin-Linking, or Tank Hunter.
Without those the riptides are good. With that IC providing those perks they are over the top. I hope GW FAQs it soon so ICs cannot join a riptide.

On an unrelated note, the overall event was fantastic. I highly suggest anyone who can go next year, do so.

Marcus Scipio wrote:

frgsinwntr wrote:

 spaceelf wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:

quiestdeus wrote:


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Tau have markerlights and riptides. The new ML rules let them increase BS against flyers. They can still reduce cover saves. The riptides have a strength 8 ap2 large blast weapon. Without cover those blast weapons wipe armies off of the table.

Eldar have wave serpents with 3+ cover, and wraithguard with ap2 flamers amongst other things.

Being able to ally with the supplement codicies allows people to take lots of the good elite stuff. There is a reason that force organization exists. Allying with yourself avoids most of the limitations of force org. I saw a tau guy playing 5 riptides yesterday. (It is not an optimal list, but it is still brutal.)

Not Optimal? you mean Justin cook? the guy that won the whole thing?

Amazing to me as well the armchair quarterbacks that pass judgements on lists...

Chancetragedy wrote:I thought Justin had 4? Is 5 even possible?

Yes, if you take the SC Riptide, along with the three base and one ally.

I was not commenting on the nova, as I was not there and know nothing about the lists that were used. A local guy was running the ripe 5 list. It is just my opinion that 5 riptides in 1850 puts too many points in riptides hence my comment about it not being optimal.

Again, many thanks to Mike and the team for creating this event. I did better than I expected, played a ton of games (reports at http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/549198.page ), met a lot of nice people, and now I'm Warhammered out and off to NYC.

Thanks again, it was a great weekend!

This seems like the best year yet for the NOVA Open. Well done. : )

Anyone know where I can find the fantasy NOVA results?

Back home safely!

All in all, it was the best Nova experience yet. Having said that, I have a few gripes to get off my chest (focusing on the GT, which is, without a doubt, the main event):

1. The five-hour delay between the last 40k GT round and the awards ceremony is a little ridiculous. I understand that the invitational is finishing up at this point, but having nothing to do for that period of time and having to drive/fly home afterward makes this a killer. You could argue that there were seminars/vendors to check out at during that period. However, there wasn't nearly enough to justify...

2. The price. It costs $100 to attend the Nova 40k GT, with $40 of that covering the fee to attend the convention. For a $40 convention, the offerings are... unimpressive. For only $30 more, one could attend an incredible four-day event like Gen Con or Dragoncon. I understand that this is a specialized event. With that being the case, maybe it shouldn't be called a convention. There were only roughly five or six vendors set up, and the (few) seminars were all mostly focused on painting (and self-defense for whatever interesting reason). I'm not really sure if there is a solution here. However, the block rate for the hotel is GREAT and makes up for the entry fee somewhat.

Barring a few other minor problems (the incredibly self-indulgent Torrent of Fire flyer, 35 minute round delay as a result of ToF, the award ceremony covering ALL the events, the few unfinished eye-blight armies) I had an awesome time. I met some cool people, played some thoroughly enjoyable games, learned a little about life, and a lot about love.

Glad you mostly had a great time! Will pass along feedback about award ceremony and timing during our debrief. Will continue doing what we can about rates, but they're in part oriented around "let's not lose any money out of organizer bank accounts," and yes ... we do fight tooth and nail w/ the hotel to get all the rates as low as we possibly can ($85/night in DC is ... well, not a lot of teeth and nails left).

If I could charge less readily, I would; the staff calls me "Santa Claus."

Will also pass along Torrent of Fire chatter to the TOF guys ... or, sort of; one of them trolls Dakka pretty heavily, so I imagine he'll see it. TOF helped the event run pretty well.

28 seminars, 7 vendors is up from 14 and about 4-5 last year; we're working on it! Promise!

In seriousness, feedback is super welcome ... positive and negative; there'll be a survey that goes out soon that gives you an opportunity to zero in on these and anything else you liked/disliked. It would be an awesome help for the future if you shared again!

Thanks for coming, and thanks for sharing.

I have to say as a person who couldnt attend this year it was really awesome to see the TOF stuff online. I hope to start attending tournaments more often starting this year, so if you guys can get that system up and running that would be fantastic. Even add in a Army List section where they can be uploaded for after the event. Maybe even make it available to smaller local tournaments? Even though the statistics probably would not be as interesting to you guys it would be cool to see how national breakdowns occur across all spectrums of the hobby.

Still it looked like a great event. I had a lot of fun watching the top tables......I know the lists were posted in the chatbox but any chance we could see them like in a armylist format for easier reading? I spent most of the time trying to figureout what was what and the overhead was a little far to see details.

I hope to be able to attend next year, keep up the good work!!!!

I am passing copies of the army lists to Torrent of Fire for upload. That functionality is actually already present in their system.

I think they plan to enable player self-upload in the future.

MVBrandt wrote:
Glad you mostly had a great time! Will pass along feedback about award ceremony and timing during our debrief. Will continue doing what we can about rates, but they're in part oriented around "let's not lose any money out of organizer bank accounts," and yes ... we do fight tooth and nail w/ the hotel to get all the rates as low as we possibly can ($85/night in DC is ... well, not a lot of teeth and nails left).

If I could charge less readily, I would; the staff calls me "Santa Claus."

Will also pass along Torrent of Fire chatter to the TOF guys ... or, sort of; one of them trolls Dakka pretty heavily, so I imagine he'll see it. TOF helped the event run pretty well.

28 seminars, 7 vendors is up from 14 and about 4-5 last year; we're working on it! Promise!

In seriousness, feedback is super welcome ... positive and negative; there'll be a survey that goes out soon that gives you an opportunity to zero in on these and anything else you liked/disliked. It would be an awesome help for the future if you shared again!

Thanks for coming, and thanks for sharing.

Thanks for the reply man! Like I said, overall it was the best Nova yet. Great job!

Yea, self-upload that maybe doesnt show up till after the tournament. Or having the ability for the TO's to look at the list in advance but not be made public.

MVBrandt wrote:
In seriousness, feedback is super welcome ... positive and negative; there'll be a survey that goes out soon that gives you an opportunity to zero in on these and anything else you liked/disliked. It would be an awesome help for the future if you shared again!

Thanks for coming, and thanks for sharing.

Feedback is all in my BR (but it's almost all good!) at http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/549198.page

I didn't really have a problem with the 7.30 start, though i did wonder why, if all the other Invitational events started at 7.30, Sunday couldn't too?? But not a biggie - you're in the same hotel as the event, and it's not like everyone is getting up at 6am to travel...


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 Leth wrote:
Yea, self-upload that maybe doesnt show up till after the tournament. Or having the ability for the TO's to look at the list in advance but not be made public.

TBH, why not make the list public from the start of the event? It's not like anyone can change it anyway, and if all lists are public everyone has the same advantage. It would certainly up the rates of interweb discussion.

Amazing event again Mike! 1st class all the way. For all of you who don't know there has to be an award ceremony for all the prize support that is donated from the sponsors. Much improved from last year on timing.

Mike Summerville did a great job as head judge even calling players on trying to game the clock. AMAZING!

Torrent of Fire was great (albeit a small delay). Many can learn from this experience. Had a great time in the GT and invitational! Looking to come back next year!

Nova was so good this year...and to think I almost called the trip off! Overall incredibly well run. You can really tell that the Nova crew is dedicated to bringing the best event to the community and for a long time tournament player that is invaluable. Thanks guys!