Ostrakon wrote:
ITT: People asking if GW is finally pricing people out of the hobby when if it was a release they were personally interested in they'd have no problems shelling out a few hundred bucks.

Baluc over at Warseer wrote:Have read the book its amazing will give details once I get home.
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So I'll start with the thing everyone is waiting to here.

50 Great weapon, Khorne Marauders with full command are 580 points, they do however retain their statline

Now on the more mundane things that have changed.

Mark of Khorne; frenzy
Mark of Tzeentch; +1 ward save
Mark of Slaanesh; Auto pass fear, terror and panic
Mark of Nugrle; Flat -1 to hit in close combat

Marks on a per model basis

Mutant regen is gone (except throgg), and troll vomit is no longer magical, same cost

Chaos ogres gain impact hits

Dragon ogres gain halberd option

Forsaken are basically the same, same point cost, with a chart of rollable USR, ranging from asf, poison, etc
MofK on Forsaken is hatred, MofS is Swiftstride

Eye of the gods are all stat increases, except for 12 which turns characters, and chosen champ into Daemon Prince, units gain stubburn

Valkia always gets +1 S when she rolls on eye of the gods

Sigvald always rolls +1 A on eotgs, and gained T5

Chaos warriors same statline

Warhounds true core

Chariots as normal true core

Hellcannon gains 5+ ward, everything else is the same

Chaos lord stays the same, mounts change a little manticore for example, and marks are somewhat cheaper, mundane gear drops in price

Chaos sorcerers, lores as rumoured, same statline

Daemon Princes!!!

A wait for it... Mazing.

Chaos lord statline, ws9, S6, 5+ ward, Magical attacks, Unbreakable , must take a mark Khorne is +1s on charge, Nurgle is -1 to hit, Slaanesh is armour piercing?, and Tzeentch is re-roll 1's on ward and channel attempts

New stuff:

Chimera, SofM stats with a 4+ armour, for X points gains regeneration, for Y points gains s4 flaming breath weapon, tail attack has rules d3 attacks that are +1 to hit in rear

Slaughterbrute is basically just a attack machine, bound uses are lord or hero ws, and opperates as normal (S7 or 6 can't rememeber exactly can check later, t6, 4+ armour) or can be unbound in which case its frenzied (which it can't lose), and Random movement 2d6, can buy 2 more s5 attacks

Hentical beast, less killy bound spell's effect is roll a d6, 1-5 are d6 T test + effect, 6 is whole unit + effect.

On Magic really great spells basically all made to turn the army into a killing machine, some of my favorites are 2 slaanesh spells 2 and 6 are hexes that give the unit ASL, and random movement d6, Treason is no inspiring presences or hold your ground, Phantasmagoria and Pavane, are both there. Nurgle has a lot of spells that are hexes and augments depending on who you use them on. Curse of the leper gives +d3 T to allies or -d3 to enemies. None are AoE if I recall correctly. Gateway on a 10+ for S is 3d6 hits, instead of 2d6

Skullcrushers get regular MC stats, Juggers have 3 attacks at s6 on the charge, Riders buy lances for 3 or EW for 5. Juggers have magical attacks and are only +2 to armour.

That's what I got from the top of my head, if people present questions I'll do my best to reply.

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Juggers are T4, 3 wounds

Daemonswords is gone, Magic items are if I recall correctly, Hellfire sword, Sword of change, The nurgle mace, helm of many eyes is now armour, a slaanesh item that gives you an additional attack for every wound you cause (might be a gift actually), The chalice is pretty meh to be honest.

Eye of the gods is all stat increases +1 bs is 3, +1 attack, +1s, +1 I, etc. Chosen before game roll, get to roll 3d6 and remove on die.

Gifts are mostly pretty cheap, there is one where you trade your attacks for double strength, flaming +5 ward against flaming, poison + 5 ward against poison, scally skin, third eye is back but it doesn't steal spells, an item that gives you +1 spell and +1 to channel.

Oh glean magic, lore of tzeentch, your oppenent loses a wizard level, and a randomly determined spell, which you then gain.

So in other words, no tacticians need apply.
Run forward, bash heads....same as before, just more options to do it with.
Yawn.

To be fair thats what warriors of chaos is, they force the issue, the difficulty comes from stopping the enemy from making you sing to his tune. I found the book very characterful. The Norse horde can be played, just as well as the super elite. Most armies got a little cheaper because of command and Mark changes but strictly from a per model basis not much got cheaper, and a lot got more expensive. The sweet spot is going to be MMU style armies, which is similar to his Empire book.

War shrine is a bound spell, chariot with no impact hits, and doesn't take dangerous terrain or have swift stride

d3 units are given a roll on eotg.

Banner of rage is mofK only makes frenzy unlose able, if a character with the banner joins a unit they gain frenzy,I'm pretty sure blasted standard is also there can't recall all what it did to be honest.

There is a slaanesh banner or item that lets the unit roll 1d6 for Ld.

Oh giant is much cheaper, and mark of Slaanesh is +1 I

Can you expand on the eotg table some more please since its involved so much is it similar to csm one or is it same small table with few changes? Do marauders come with light armour as standard or do you buy it?

Its pretty much what I said so far, 2 is take a ld test if you pass your -1 Ld and stupid, fail and your a spawn or removed, Stubburn, as is LD, 12 is daemon prince, 7 is a re-roll for that turn, everything else is a permanent killing stat increase.

Marauders are same as now you pay for all their gear in addition, you start with a naked dude.

A unit of 3 skullcrushers w/ lances at under 250 points puts out 9 S 6 attacks, 9 S6 magical attacks and 3 S 5 magical attacks, have a 1+ armour save, and highly resistant to test or die spells, I'd say they are well costed, especially when compared against chaos knights.

Chaos knights stay the same, Command are normalized, and marks are per model, must buy EWs.

Kroothawk wrote:

 Kingsley wrote:
So wait, you think GW has already priced themselves out? Why can I go to my local shop and see many people with new CSM and DA armies, then?

Because they started with the starter set in September, half a year ago?

Kroothawk wrote:And yes, I think with the last three months they started to price themselves completely out, esp. when in April the other prices are adjusted to the new release prices. Granted, they had falling sales in the last 5 years (barely compensated by price hikes), but this 30/50/100% price hike is the turning point I am sure. Trying to raise prices faster than you lose customers, is not a sustainable business strategy. Even a yes-company will finally have to deal with reality.

I honestly don't envision the huge price hike that you say will happen in April.

Cross post much?

 Ostrakon wrote:
Mutant Regen is gone but they're the same price?? Nooooooo!

Aside from that, while a lot of it looks really neat there don't appear to be anything too drastic, which is a little underwhelming.

If I'm reading this correctly, marauders are actually going to be a bit more expensive? sounds odd.

 Sigvatr wrote:
The War Shrine sounds really damn broken at first glance. Sure, it can be disspelled now, but it affecting W3 units is a massive boost.

And in the end, it sounds like WoC remain the uber-boring "Here, let me just shove my units forward!" army that used to be. Meh. Waiting for the digital version to have a look at it. "Digital". Yarrrrrrr.

 blood reaper wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
The War Shrine sounds really damn broken at first glance. Sure, it can be disspelled now, but it affecting W3 units is a massive boost.

And in the end, it sounds like WoC remain the uber-boring "Here, let me just shove my units forward!" army that used to be. Meh. Waiting for the digital version to have a look at it. "Digital". Yarrrrrrr.

But isn't that the whole point of being heavily armoured chaos vikings in fantasy? To march forward, and get into close combat.

....kinda like all close combat armies in this game....

 blood reaper wrote:


This makes me forgive the price of the Forsaken.

timetowaste85 wrote:I'm thinking I'll get the book...but as of right now, that's it. I have enough warriors at home, if I decide to try this out.

Ostrakon wrote:Mutant Regen is gone but they're the same price?? Nooooooo!

Aside from that, while a lot of it looks really neat there don't appear to be anything too drastic, which is a little underwhelming.

Sigvatr wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
And in the end, it sounds like WoC remain the uber-boring "Here, let me just shove my units forward!" army that used to be. Meh. Waiting for the digital version to have a look at it. "Digital". Yarrrrrrr.

But isn't that the whole point of being heavily armoured chaos vikings in fantasy? To march forward, and get into close combat.

....kinda like all close combat armies in this game....

Never said that it was the wrong idea, just saying that the army is incredibly boring to play.

almostreal wrote:
Ok, I've been a GW apologist for a long time. I have always given them the benefit of the doubt when it came to pricing and policies and such.

I think this WOC release has broken me though, I give in...GW is insane if they think they can charge these prices and continue to stay afloat.

Finally I am interested in starting a new army..WOC. I see throgg is available, and I can use my existing Ogres to help lessen the cost of making a brand new army. Throgg is $58!!! What is this..it's a single model on a 40mm base right? that's crazy....

I give in to everyone who I've argued with here..GW is insane. I'll probably buy the army book though cuz it looks awesome, other then that....I would have spent $600-800 building a whole WOC army if things were cheaper. I'm not spending $1000, $70 of that being one one 40mm model. GW needs to rethink things...insanity.

kronicpsycho wrote:
Instead of all this obsessive crying over prices, must don't buy any products, and instead paint the models you have to the best quality possible. Remember this is a hobby. It's not a computer game, were if you wanna start again "new army" you press new game.

The best way to affect GW is by not buying there products if you think they are to expensive, instead of the obsessive bitching.

/rant over.