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http://twitchy.com/2013/01/30/conn-sen-beth-bye-plays-twitter-drinking-game-during-gun-hearing-deletes-account/

Some people just don't know how to behave themselves...

 d-usa wrote:
http://twitchy.com/2013/01/30/conn-sen-beth-bye-plays-twitter-drinking-game-during-gun-hearing-deletes-account/

Some people just don't know how to behave themselves...

Gotta love Twitchy. The comedy writes itself.

 SilverMK2 wrote:
Or cover yourself in guns to deflect the bullets.

But then the guns you cover yourself with would try to kill you or others nearby!

It's like Maximum Overdrive, only instead of automobiles, its guns.

 Easy E wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:
Or cover yourself in guns to deflect the bullets.

But then the guns you cover yourself with would try to kill you or others nearby!

Ahhh, but then they have themselves covered in guns too! You could also have guns to shoot bullets shot at you out of the air

 KingCracker wrote:
Right, so your gun crime went down. Notice I said CRIME. Not gun crime. And I wasnt using NRA facts, it was from a multitude of OTHER sites and sources that same pretty similar things. Your CRIME has shot up. Violent crime, robberies, home invasions and so on. Just like the UK did as well, which is why I mentioned the UK earlier.

You didn't read the link, did you?

Anyhow, the claim that crime has shot up is so far exaggerated it's just stupid. There is, in some categories of crime, a broad trend showing a slight increase. And you can see the origins for these trends in all kinds of other indicators (areas with generational poverty, school drop outs etc). Linking it to guns is just crazy pants stuff. You would have read that if you'd read the link.

Anyhow, looking past a gun homicide rate that's about 40 times our, because we have a slight long term increase in home break-ins, is about as bizarre as things get.


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 Seaward wrote:
Guns make you kill. Simple as that.

No, guns make it easier to kill. Which means given the existance of issues, like drug trafficking, or the fact that you neighbour is a complete donkey-cave who needs to get taught a lesson, then having a tool around that makes killing easier means it will happen more often.

I saw a story where a man was shot by a turkey he shot and bagged in the off season
put the gun next to the bag in the trunk
turkey foot got out, gripped loaded gun
bang
man shot in leg, turkey lives

 Snrub wrote:
Who carries a loaded shotgun around in a bag anyway? Foolishness.

s'true. that guy is a dumbass

 azazel the cat wrote:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:Kilkrazy, are we looking at the same tables? Look at the rate per 100,000 in the population. Through the 70's, 80's, and 90's, crime was far higher than it is today.

Low crime in the 60's probably had more to do with population density, culture, and the population makeup as a whole. There were half as many people living in the US at the time.


Now refer to this map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif


Interesting how, starting in the late 80's we started seeing proliferation throughout the States of Right to Carry laws. More guns in civilians' hands, coinciding nicely with that reduction in crime rate from the 90's into 00's.

Or maybe the crack epidemic of the 1980s had subsided slightly. But, y'know, whatever conclusion about causation you want to jump to.

I wasn't inferring causality or jumping to any conclusions. I was merely stating that the claim that crime is "well up since the 1960's, when [we had] a lot fewer guns" is incorrect. Crime is lower now than it was then, despite there being a greater number of firearms in civilian hands.

Oklahoma isn't helping this subject any. Just had a cop accidentally shoot another cop at the gun range. Second time this happened in my county this year I think...

 d-usa wrote:
Oklahoma isn't helping this subject any. Just had a cop accidentally shoot another cop at the gun range. Second time this happened in my county this year I think...

I'll see if I can find the article... but we had car accidents involving two police cars already in MO.

But, TBH... one of them was actually during a chase... so, mulligan?

NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:Kilkrazy, are we looking at the same tables? Look at the rate per 100,000 in the population. Through the 70's, 80's, and 90's, crime was far higher than it is today.

Low crime in the 60's probably had more to do with population density, culture, and the population makeup as a whole. There were half as many people living in the US at the time.


Now refer to this map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif


Interesting how, starting in the late 80's we started seeing proliferation throughout the States of Right to Carry laws. More guns in civilians' hands, coinciding nicely with that reduction in crime rate from the 90's into 00's.

Or maybe the crack epidemic of the 1980s had subsided slightly. But, y'know, whatever conclusion about causation you want to jump to.

I wasn't inferring causality or jumping to any conclusions. I was merely stating that the claim that crime is "well up since the 1960's, when [we had] a lot fewer guns" is incorrect. Crime is lower now than it was then, despite there being a greater number of firearms in civilian hands.

Yes, you were inferring causality. Here is your quote:

More guns in civilians' hands, coinciding nicely with that reduction in crime rate from the 90's into 00's.

What else could you have possible been inferring?
"Crime is down --> less likely to have wallet stolen --> more money in pocket --> time to buy a gun"?

 azazel the cat wrote:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:Kilkrazy, are we looking at the same tables? Look at the rate per 100,000 in the population. Through the 70's, 80's, and 90's, crime was far higher than it is today.

Low crime in the 60's probably had more to do with population density, culture, and the population makeup as a whole. There were half as many people living in the US at the time.


Now refer to this map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif


Interesting how, starting in the late 80's we started seeing proliferation throughout the States of Right to Carry laws. More guns in civilians' hands, coinciding nicely with that reduction in crime rate from the 90's into 00's.

Or maybe the crack epidemic of the 1980s had subsided slightly. But, y'know, whatever conclusion about causation you want to jump to.

I wasn't inferring causality or jumping to any conclusions. I was merely stating that the claim that crime is "well up since the 1960's, when [we had] a lot fewer guns" is incorrect. Crime is lower now than it was then, despite there being a greater number of firearms in civilian hands.

Yes, you were inferring causality. Here is your quote:

More guns in civilians' hands, coinciding nicely with that reduction in crime rate from the 90's into 00's.

What else could you have possible been inferring?
"Crime is down --> less likely to have wallet stolen --> more money in pocket --> time to buy a gun"?

That's cute, you can read minds better than you can read English.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coincide

Dictionary.com wrote:co·in·cide [koh-in-sahyd] Show IPA
verb (used without object), co·in·cid·ed, co·in·cid·ing.
1.
to occupy the same place in space, the same point or period in time, or the same relative position: The centers of concentric circles coincide. Our vacations coincided this year.

Nothing in my post stated causality.

NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:Interesting how, starting in the late 80's we started seeing proliferation throughout the States of Right to Carry laws. More guns in civilians' hands, coinciding nicely with that reduction in crime rate from the 90's into 00's.

Or maybe the crack epidemic of the 1980s had subsided slightly. But, y'know, whatever conclusion about causation you want to jump to.

I wasn't inferring causality or jumping to any conclusions. I was merely stating that the claim that crime is "well up since the 1960's, when [we had] a lot fewer guns" is incorrect. Crime is lower now than it was then, despite there being a greater number of firearms in civilian hands.

Yes, you were inferring causality. Here is your quote:

More guns in civilians' hands, coinciding nicely with that reduction in crime rate from the 90's into 00's.

What else could you have possible been inferring?
"Crime is down --> less likely to have wallet stolen --> more money in pocket --> time to buy a gun"?

That's cute, you can read minds better than you can read English.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coincide

Dictionary.com wrote:co·in·cide [koh-in-sahyd] Show IPA
verb (used without object), co·in·cid·ed, co·in·cid·ing.
1.
to occupy the same place in space, the same point or period in time, or the same relative position: The centers of concentric circles coincide. Our vacations coincided this year.

Nothing in my post stated causality.

Stated? No. Inferred? Absolutely.

in·fer (n-fûr)
v. in·ferred, in·fer·ring, in·fers
v.tr.
1. To conclude from evidence or premises.
2. To reason from circumstance; surmise: We can infer that his motive in publishing the diary was less than honorable.
3. To lead to as a consequence or conclusion: "Socrates argued that a statue inferred the existence of a sculptor" (Academy).
4. To hint; imply.

I dare say you just got schooled. Literally.

schooled, school·ing, schools
1. To educate in or as if in a school.