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That's not good.

Mantic continues to make sign offs on sculpts that are baffling.

Some of those don't quite look like a model that has been cleaned for tooling though. So it's odd they are showing pics that appear in a WIP state, yet saying they've all been sent.

So ultimately....who knows what we'll be getting. Hopefully some of the "dirty" sculpts didn't digress from odd changes and they've all improved

 Azazelx wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
The Zee are still are not apes, or monkeys, or monkies.

They were at one point, but Mantic have somewhat backed away from that aspect.

Aye, about ten minutes after posting the update when the creator said wtf are you calling them apes?

I'm actually a pretty big fan of what I'm seeing there.

Agreed, I am as well. But, most of the pics are of the Rebs... which mostly look sweet. But I just went back to page 24 and looked at the plague mortar crew, and yeah... ugh

Really happy with everything apart from the Hulk.

So, you have no issue with the heavy weapons lady been huge, nor with the left Zees arm been literally unsculpted and the pics been labeled as "sent to be tooled" and not "WIPS"

I think the girl looks good. She looks like a non-crazy version of Tannis from Borderlands. With a railgun!!!

I wish they would upload more photos of the Enforcers, im still looking forward into what the peacekeeper armour looks like..

How does the lady look huge? She looks more than fine without having a human next to her for scale comparison. The arm does look funky - could be the angle, could be unfinished mini or poorly assembled.

Won't say no to pics of anything Happy ; p

Did all of these Zombie pics get posted?

http://questron3.tumblr.com/

One looked new, but most were posted a couple weeks ago. The one that looks like it's eating brains is new, I believe.

Girl looks fine and yeah one of the zees arms looks long, go figure it's an alien.

I've been messing around with photoshop to try to get a scale shot.

overtyrant wrote:
Girl looks fine and yeah one of the zees arms looks long, go figure it's an alien.

Except "its analien" isnt an excuse to just do a gakky job. It should at least be consistent within the species. The arms on the left Zee are longer than the one on the right. Its the same problem as the derpy nuns.

Bossk_Hogg wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Girl looks fine and yeah one of the zees arms looks long, go figure it's an alien.

Except "its analien" isnt an excuse to just do a gakky job. It should at least be consistent within the species. The arms on the left Zee are longer than the one on the right. Its the same problem as the derpy nuns.

Because humanity is a very consistent species with all dimensions being nearly identical between all its members.

Looking at them though, I'm not sure you can definitively state the arms are longer. They appear to be, but at the same time the angling of the arms on the right one could be creating a slight illusion. Their bases appear to be equal in size, and the forearms are actually very close to the same length measuring from elbow to wrist to raise the question. Comparing the left forearm of the right model to the right forearm of the left model (no chance for confusion there!) seems to indicate they're very close in length.

Not saying that this is scientific fact, but based on what I can observe it actually falls within the realm of reasonable doubt which way it goes. It'd come down to the upper arms on both, which are much more difficult to compare accurately.

 Krinsath wrote:

Bossk_Hogg wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Girl looks fine and yeah one of the zees arms looks long, go figure it's an alien.

Except "its analien" isnt an excuse to just do a gakky job. It should at least be consistent within the species. The arms on the left Zee are longer than the one on the right. Its the same problem as the derpy nuns.

Because humanity is a very consistent species with all dimensions being nearly identical between all its members.

Aren't the Zees clones, or did they change that?

The Zees were apes/monkeys originally (for about an hours or so),

but were then re-written as clones (which may well be what they had always been meant to be, but for an error of the KS reveal writer)

Jake Thornton still seems to see them as monkeys.

I mean... They are called Zees after all. Chimpan-zees!

Their in progress team rule is called "Monkey business" after all.

In any case at the very least the fingers on the right Zee are not something I am expecting from a professional company.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
The Zees were apes/monkeys originally (for about an hours or so),

but were then re-written as clones (which may well be what they had always been meant to be, but for an error of the KS reveal writer)

Hobbits with a Napoleon complex + Marvin the Martin.

From my understanding they are genetically modified ape clones.

SO......having longer arms is fine, but since they are clones, they should all have the same dimensions and proportions. They should have all been done digitally. Period.

The Human looks fine. Again, I work with some Asian women that look pretty close to what is being shown there with the gal holding the bazooka. Not sure why all the women would need super model type bodies, curves, and proportions.

Well she looks like she is having big head instead of a normal one and does not have the characteristics to be of the descend you are saying.

On to of that if I really wanted "supermodel proportions" I would add that her legs look quite fat, but that's not a fundamental issue.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
In any case at the very least the fingers on the right Zee are not something I am expecting from a professional company.

Can you elaborate on that? I can't see enough of that model's fingers to determine if there's an issue or not, but perhaps I'm missing some detail. I strongly dislike the look of the gun on the one on the left as it looks much more like "WIP" than "Finished and tooled." However, most of the complaints about them thus far seem centered around the proportions that can't readily be judged. It reminds me of Dreadball with the "Look at that stupid leaning Judwan!" outcry that really wasn't leaning at all; the painter just hadn't fixed the warped restic cast.

Now, if we wanted to go on about how Mantic needs to get a better photographer for these sorts of things, I would agree wholeheartedly. Defiance is worse, because at least Mantic has heard of this black magic called "focus", but so many of these shots are incredibly unflattering. Not that a different perspective will make them masterworks, but I think they're actually of "average" quality and perspective is making them look worse. Time will tell though, because there's just as much chance they really are gak and that's the most flattering picture they could get.

The fingers have no articulation points, no digits, look like lamps of putty placed there and divided by a sculpting tool.

Overall both lack crispiness and sharpness in the lines, the right one has it on his upper body, but not the legs, overall they look like WIPs and not models send to the tooler.

Ah, I can see what you mean with the fingers now, thanks. It does appear that the detail there is at best very soft and doubtful it exists at all. Not sure I agree about the crispness on the right one though; the pants seem to be as detailed as many other examples in the market. Overall if looks "ok"; not ground-breakingly awesome but not cover-your-eyes awful.

I do agree that the one on the left looks like a WIP shot more than a finished product on the whole though. Could have a lot to do with the uneven color in the material, but the gun and hand are clearly not as refined as the rest from the angle shown.

 scarletsquig wrote:

As always, throw your feedback into the KS comments if you're a backer, it all helps them to get a good idea of the majority opinion.

I would if I thought they cared or would take any notice.


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 Compel wrote:
Jake Thornton still seems to see them as monkeys.
I mean... They are called Zees after all. Chimpan-zees!
Their in progress team rule is called "Monkey business" after all.

Oh god. I wish that generation of ex-GW staff would get away from using such exceptionally stupid puns. Mon'Keigh, Veer'Myn, Zees...

 Azazelx wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:

As always, throw your feedback into the KS comments if you're a backer, it all helps them to get a good idea of the majority opinion.

I would if I thought they cared or would take any notice.

Or if I wanted to be ridiculed for disagreeing with the Brian Blessed crowd.

The comments section quit being useful/helpful/worth looking at or posting to a long time before the project ended. I have little faith it is better now and don't plan on taking the time to confirm.

Okay, I just put in my survey for round 1. I noticed that the survey showed a few minis that I really don't remember Mantic showing off. Namely, the other Gen 2 Plague figures.

And everyone complaining about proportions and "ugly sculpts," I think maybe you guys should take another look at the figures that are finished that are on the Kickstarter's main page. Have you forgotten how nice looking the OTHER Reb figures are? Now, I think these pictures really aren't doing the new sculpts justice though. I think with some paint, they'd look just as good as the other Reb figures.

And those Zees, are you really complaining about the figure's hand being undetailed? You do realize how small they're going to be, right? Those guys are going to have hands that are probably even smaller than the ones that Mantic's Elves have. They're going to be so small that you really aren't going to be able to tell if they sculpted a knuckle or not.

 Barzam wrote:
And those Zees, are you really complaining about the figure's hand being undetailed? You do realize how small they're going to be, right? Those guys are going to have hands that are probably even smaller than the ones that Mantic's Elves have. They're going to be so small that you really aren't going to be able to tell if they sculpted a knuckle or not.

You have a point. However, it's the same deal as with SW faces. They're actually rather realistic (a little in the way of malifaux models) without many of the absurdly deep 'rimples' etc. in GW faces.
Does make them a bitch to paint to TT quality and make look half as nice as aforementioned "ridiculous" detail though. Same with knuckles. I'd like to be able to basecoat, layer and wash and leave it at that, with the existing structure on the model 'helping' me along in providing detail (it's called a model rather than a blob for a reason ). This look is not at all conducive to that, IMO. Sure, it'll work but it's one of those little things that really wouldn't have taken the world to get right - which some sculptor once again didn't.
Sure, I still like the model, still happy with my pledge, will still be adding a bunch onto it - but it could've been much nicer with just that tiny little bit of extra work.
They **REALLY** need to start whipping sculptors over this crap. This is not an artistic difference over the look of the torso of G2 plague (which I'm just not a fan of) or some of the greenskins for example - this is an easy-to-get-right technical detail.
...Which should damn well just have been gotten right, even if you don't see it at a glance. All those tiny things *do* add up, and it's a shame these small things are just not sufficiently taken care of really.