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 Baragash wrote:

 darkPrince010 wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

Is there a difference between "Dwarf King's Hold" and "Kings of War"? Regarding the above discussion.

Dwarf King's Hold is Mantic's answer to Heroquest, with map tiles, a unique model or two and lots of KoW models, dice, etc. They've got 3 expansions out iirc, and apparently it basically sells out every time they do a print run so they're lining up more in the future a well.

2 expansions and no unique models .

Wasn't the dwarf driller thing made for DKH?

 JoshInJapan wrote:

 Baragash wrote:

 darkPrince010 wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

Is there a difference between "Dwarf King's Hold" and "Kings of War"? Regarding the above discussion.

Dwarf King's Hold is Mantic's answer to Heroquest, with map tiles, a unique model or two and lots of KoW models, dice, etc. They've got 3 expansions out iirc, and apparently it basically sells out every time they do a print run so they're lining up more in the future a well.

2 expansions and no unique models .

Wasn't the dwarf driller thing made for DKH?

I don't know why it was made, but it's also in the KoW Dwarf army list now.

Liking the Plague a lot- Infested Teraton and swarm of gribblies looks great! Liking the Orks though not so much with the horse dog chainsaw beastie- you can see the poor thing saying *kill me!* lol. I'll be interested to see what the not-Eldar-wraithguard are like.

Thanks for the answers, guys!

Really? I could have sworn the Dwarven Driller model didn't have KoW rules until well after it was released for DKH

Dwarven Driller was released as a Mantic Points Reward quite a while before DKH existed.

It didn't have KoW rules until the 2.0 rules were released (after DKH was released).

Anyone got a good judge of the complexity the 6 player map adds to Dreadball?

I'd love to bring dreadball to my lunch hour(s) board games club. However, anything that takes more than 5 minutes to explain before the game, doesn't fit in a normal sized bag, has less than 4 players and takes more than 2 hours just isn't suitable.

Ok, image spurt as pictures from elsewhere have surfaced:

One of the two mawbeasts I've done for Deadzone.


Probably my favourite of the marauder troopers; I just like the pose.


Not overly fond of the sergeant, but was fun enough to paint as part of the batch.


Now these I do like. His dancing compatriot will surface in good time I suppose. Lots of fun to paint.


These are a fair amount more work than you might imagine; many many surfaces that I regretted doing feathered blends on. The result I'm quite pleased with though. Not sure what the underslung weapon on his left arm is supposed to be - some sort of energy ram I supposed.

I went for a vanilla strike team pledge with the Rebs as additional faction, and I am generally happy with what I am seeing. The only faction not to my liking are the Marauders, but as others have pointed out they do have a Rogue Traderish look to them that some will love.

I tend to favour fantasy games but this is really whetting my appetite for late November/early December.

Edit: @Winterdyne, are those "resin" masters or the resin plastic that the models will come in. Thank you for the more detailed shots.

These were all resin masters. The resin plastic shouldn't be much of an issue; have a sharp knife and some strong solvent (MEK or something) and cleanup's not too bad. A fair amount of the stuff I do for KoW is in the resin/plastic material, its not too bad to work with really - far less fragile than PU resin.

Winterdyne, I'm sure you've seen my comments earlier but your paint style is absolutely PERFECT for Mantics' minis. I'm not arty enough to be able to say what it is that you do differently to 'Eavy Metal/Golem painters, but whatever it is looks fantastic. Thank you :-)

Winterdyne: Excellent paint jobs. Truly.

Unfortunately, the Marauder figures suffer from the same issues they showed during the KS: terrible design, poor posing, and middle-of-the-road sculpting. Still disappointed, personally.

And the Mawbeast is just bad all around.

Rebs stuff shown earlier is promising (excepting some big heads...) and Blaine looks pretty good. Fingers and toes crossed that they sort out the HIPS molding/casting issues before the Enforcers.

~Eric

Very nice Winterdyne! You paint very well, and has been pointed out the style suits the minis very well.

Actually don't think the Maw-beast is that bad, and actually looks kind of fun. It looks like a liger with a chainsaw in its mouth, what can possibly be wrong with that?

Those pics look a lot better still than the leaks IMO.
I love the earthy, muted tones WinterDyne consistently uses on Mantic's stuff. It really makes the best of them. Truely lovely

(Any chance of you doing a better paint job on any of the bluer-than-blue basilean characters? Yeah, probably not... )

I gotta say those marauders turned better then I expected, hopefully that goes for the rest of the models too.

The Mawbeast is disapointing... Ok, that means i will have to find ways to convert them into something i like. Maybe i can turn them into 4 Mawbeasts...

The other ork stuff is disapointing, but not so bad. I expected something more in line with the marauders we alredy have, more "real scale", but they are not bad, if you consider them in heroic scale they turn to be very nice stuff (and a lot more compatible with GW orkz).

The ripper suit is amazing. But not in scale with the rest, lets just say that the ork "inside" that armor is problably some very small dude compensating for something...

The rebs are all dream stuff, and i am very inclined to take a booster bundle of them...

The ripper suit is pretty big. That's a 50mm base it's on. Good war boss size model, or mega armour replacement.

Amazing work Winterdyne, love the jobs you did on all of them. The minis are great too - all except for the mawbeast that is.

looks great, and the maw beast wouldnt be that bad, if it were half its size. But im happy im gettin the striker and upgrades to all the 4 base armies, When the second survey comes, is when i'll add the additional races.

You know, the maw beast design and sculpt are so irredeemably, utterly and completely flawed and horrid that it almost has a certain charm to it. I'm almost starting to like it in spite of myself.

 Username Invalid wrote:
You know, the maw beast design and sculpt are so irredeemably, utterly and completely flawed and horrid that it almost has a certain charm to it. I'm almost starting to like it in spite of myself.

Damn you... the one argument that could change my distaste for the model. If I start picturing it next to Ash from Army of Darkness, all is lost!

edit: Damnit! All is lost!

I went all in on my initial pledge, and then added quite a bit in the pledge manager, and to be completely honest I'm glad I did. I'm liking everything I've seen so far, even the mawbeast. Hurry up, November!

I've got no problems with the mawbeast. It's big and dumb, which seems right up an ork's alley. They're certainly more imposing given their larger size now. Look like they'd actually survive a tussle or two.

The mawbeast is my favourite mini out of the marauders but that shouldn't come as a surprise considering my username.

winterdyne wrote:
Probably my favourite of the marauder troopers; I just like the pose.


Now these I do like. His dancing compatriot will surface in good time I suppose. Lots of fun to paint.


These are a fair amount more work than you might imagine; many many surfaces that I regretted doing feathered blends on. The result I'm quite pleased with though. Not sure what the underslung weapon on his left arm is supposed to be - some sort of energy ram I supposed.

winterdyne wrote:
These were all resin masters. The resin plastic shouldn't be much of an issue; have a sharp knife and some strong solvent (MEK or something) and cleanup's not too bad. A fair amount of the stuff I do for KoW is in the resin/plastic material, its not too bad to work with really - far less fragile than PU resin.

Wow, let me just say that I love what you have done with these 3 models! I quite like the sculpts on these, too... particularly that little sniper goblin . Well done!

Goblin sniper is very cool, and that ripper suit...wow! I want duplicates. I think I'll be adding a BOGO Orx squad.

 Username Invalid wrote:
You know, the maw beast design and sculpt are so irredeemably, utterly and completely flawed and horrid that it almost has a certain charm to it. I'm almost starting to like it in spite of myself.

That's my take. Its aggressively ridiculous and refuses to apologize. I showed it to three of my gaming friends, and all had the same feeling (and wanted one). There's plenty of other "serious business" minis out there already.

The Dreadball Team Booster packs with the alt. sculpts and prone markers are up for preorder.

http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Advance-Orders/Advance-Orders-DreadBall-Team-Boosters.html?utm_source=Mantic+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=cae9363cc7-Mantic_Games_Newsletter_226&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_20fe4cf5a8-cae9363cc7-201384889

They don't look very different just a few reposed arms.

Actually the Void Sirens and Judwan at least look like they got new sculpts.

I took a trip to Mantic towers today for a guided tour and was treated to all kinds of deadzone goodness. These are the things that I was allowed to take photos of:







And my mate took this scale shot:


So some notes on the day:
- The Deadzone models look jaw droppingly good. Mantic have absolutely hit their stride with every single one of them. I wasn't even a fan of the "crocodile" Marauder faces but they looked awesome in person. They've got a lot of mean character to their faces that doesn't come across in photos.
- The Marauders are BIG. Swap the heads and they'll make absolutely perfect Blood Axes. If anything I'd say they're bigger than the GW Orks and closer to Nob size, but an army of them would look fantastic and the head swaps will likely be fairly easy to make them fit in with GW Orks if you wanted.
- The plastic tooling on the terrain tiles is absolutely up to scratch. Excellent detail and quality, easily as sharp as GW terrain. I'm confident that the problems with the M@A's are down to sculpting rather than tooling issues. Ronnie explained the exact problems they had but I'm not sure how much I can say publicly. What I can say is that once again Mantic got screwed over by their supplier, rather than Mantic dropping the ball.
- The Teraton is a gorgeous model. Both that and the Hulk model have a lot of bulk to them that doesn't really come across in the photos.
- The Plague Teraton is even better. I only saw the raw greens, but if restic can hold that level of detail (and I'm pretty sure it can) then it will be an absolutely jaw dropping model. Even if some detail is lost then it will still be fantastic.
- I got to see the 3D printed masters of the plague zombies and enforcer plastics. If the plastic tooling is up to scratch (and from the terrain I'm fairly certain it is) then Mantic are going to be printing money.

Feeling a LOT better about all this Deadzone stuff now - thank you very much for sharing these!