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I like what they'll be in a campaign. A lot more character than enforcers and plague, on par with rebs. And i don't mind how they look at all, there are parts I particularly like, but overall I think they're neat and an glad to get them.

I wanted to like the marauders. I really did. But the decision to go the Happy Goofy Silly route ruined them for me. Too many of the poses are just awful in my opinion. I don't need comic relief in my skirmish gaming.

I got into 40K at the very start of 2nd edition.

I love the Marauders, and need them in my skirmish gaming!

I'm waiting to see what my local buddy gets. I really, really like the rebels right now but I'm not ordering any other single models without seeing what they look like off the bat. That said I'm still stoked to get the stuff I ordered in.

 timetowaste85 wrote:


I wish more people liked the marauders. I know there's been a pretty big turn around and many more like them than originally, but I still feel like I'm in a minority when I say I really like them! I'll be ordering additional sets of them even.

Oh, those Marauders. I've been all over the map in my opinions on them. The one thing that has remained constant since the beginning for me are the Mawbeasts and Goblin snipers. Loved them then, love them now. (Yes, even the "dancing" sniper. The snipers - the best received Marauder models by far - are incidentally sculpted by the same guy who did the 3rd gens and the trolls from KOW. Surprised me a bit, as I quite like the snipers, am ambivalent about the 3rd Gens, and can't stand the KOW trolls.) A small part of me thinks I'm quite mad to like the Mawbeasts, but the rest of me doesn't care.

As for the Marauder grunts, I'd originally intended to swap them out for Remy's Locust grunt sculpts from Gears of War. Those sculpts are truescale, better posed, more detailed, more plausible anatomy, more badass, etc.





As a bonus, the Gears of War boardgame also includes the best 2nd Gen Plague sculpt ever.



I still might do this switch, but I'm starting to like the Deadzone Marauders, and for the second survey - mostly on the strength of the hulk and gun platform - a Marauder booster BOGOF is now at the top of my list.

As for the ripper suits, we'll see. I like the close combat one a lot, although I'll probably swap the head. The one with the guns . . . if only he were pointing them forward. I'll either rework the arms or just sigh and use it as is.

Again, I know some people had certain expectations of the marauders... I really didn't, I'm just looking at them from (what I think is at least ) a fairly fresh/unbiased opinion. They're a bit goofy, but they've got a cunning thing going on too. Kind of reminds me of the villain from Galaxy quest. Kind of like bowser, he rides around in a clown top thing... but he kidnaps royalty, runs an army, and probably lays waste to cities (see mario galaxy especially). I don't care if they do or don't look like GW orks of any era, or that they aren't "super srs mcbadasses to the core with no taint of nonsense silliness", I think they're cool and tied at first with the rebs for faction with most character (and liable to be the most fun [for me at least] to run in a campaign).

What I would really like to see, is the accessory sprue "unboxed". I can vaguely tell what I'm getting, but I would like to see it in it's final form so I can start planning things. I bypassed all AW add-ons and condensed that extra cash into accessory sprues, so I'm really curious to the final layout/item count. Also hoping they offer the AW bundles on the second survey, now that I've splurged on core game terrain and accessories, it would be nice to spruce it up with screens and panels and such

can someone tell me why they are using the old enforcer sculpts with the new ones. They look very out of place. Are they gonna make the new ones when the gane gets its proper release in Feb. They enforcer models are making me hold back purchasing the limited releases. Really hope they change them to the renders I seen on the kickstarter.


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I believe the reason is that they got enough funds to make a hard plastic sprue, but they weren't pleased with the results of it enough to greenlight them making it into the box. Kickstarter people are being given the current warpath enforcers for now and getting (hopefully) the reworked hard plastic sprues in our second survey. I honestly can't tell you the general state of the preorder dealies.

Alright thanks for the reply. But it is strange they have the engineer and sniper as the new improved looking enforcers, are they restic then? Why not make restic marines to go along side? Hope mantic can get the hardplastic problems sorted asap, its a shame, they have so much potential.

Will hold off and see what happens with the enforces before I buy deadzone, very hard to do (gutted I missed the KS, got my KoW stuff to paint though) Might buy the rebs faction though

The Engineer, Sniper, Captain and Sentry Guns were always going to be restic no matter what that hasn't changed. The other troops were originally to be restic then they decided to do them in hard plastic now that's delayed due to tooling issues so they are giving out the older designs in restic as a make weight for backers until they sort out the hard plastic versions. There's no point in paying to tool them in both materials just to make the first wave shipping it's wasted money if the hard plastic tool works out. If they can't sort out the hard plastic the new versions will then be cast in restic either way backers will get the new designs in wave 2 in what ever medium works best. Not sure how that effects the current retail preorders.

ok I see, might email mantic see what the story is with the enforcers, good to hear that a sprue is on its way. The £150 deal on their website looks to tasty to pass up lol

I don't think the retail is gonna get the plastic sprue later if you buy anything with the enforcers in it. There was no agreement beforehand.

Mantic Marauder sculpts remind me of Rogue Trader era orks. I kind of like them.

The Marauder sculpts make Geedubs Centurions look like they are almost correctly proportioned.


Almost.

I quite like the marauder commandos myself...at least the resin masters that they've shown pictures of (yes, I keep harping on this), with the exception of he dog with the chainsaw in his mouth.

Ok so... I can't believe I'm doing this (hate centurions...), how are centurions not properly proportioned? Its a FREAKING ROBOT SUIT. Why would a robot suit need the same proportions as its pilot/operator. Look at the back, the marine is standing on leg-stilts and just kind of fitting in there sort of like an appleseed land mate. I can at least understand the deal about the marauders since they're a living creature, but thats like asking my dreadnoughts have really short legs and no neck

Besides, different species, doesn't have to look like people if it doesn't want to

Yeah if I missed the kickstarter, I'd definitely be looking into getting one of the retail sets and maybe some add-ons too.

Loved them then, love them now. (Yes, even the "dancing" sniper. The snipers - the best received Marauder models by far - are incidentally sculpted by the same guy who did the 3rd gens and the trolls from KOW.

Which sculptor is this, out of curiosity? I remember seeing his blog a while ago and then some people on dakka bitching at me because I couldn't find a link or remember the sculptor's name when I said the trolls weren't Remy sculpts, all I knew was "some other French freelancer who did a lot of PP minis".

I think the trolls, plague 3rd gen and deadzone marauders (pre-fix) are all far below the quality standards of the rest of mantic's sculptors*. Proportions are just all over the place in a model range that is supposed to be truescale.

The snipers and mawbeasts are nice, I agree. But even that isn't a unanimous opinion, some people like all of the marauders except those models.

Overall I prefer the rough military and wiry mean look of the warpath marauders rather than the cartoony heroic scale look of the deadzone marauders. The latter is very popular though since people have major preconceptions from decades of familiarity with 40k orks, which the DZ marauders are closer to.

If I ever get a marauder army, it will not be painted green, probably a red/brown like the KoW ogre skintone. Want them to look like the primitive violent aliens with a strong military structure and get away from the "Orks must look like this because GW said so" theme.

*And mantic's sculptors are really great on the whole, how cool are the new nastanza and recon unit pics we've just seen recently? Also, not one Mars Attacks sculpt looks bad/ out of scale/ not matching concept art. Not one.

 Krinsath wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Ah so those rifle Enforcers pictures are the Warpath ones that Ronnie talked about. So the KS and retail backers will get those until early next year when we get the hard plastic frame for free?

That's what is sounds like, though that does beg the question of what's happening with the retail boxes since there's no way to track them...

Obviously that matters not in the slightest to me as a KS backer for way more than I will ever be able to paint, but I can see where that's a very thorny question for the person buying the game at retail. Would the 2nd printing have the hard plastic sprues? Retail boxes get the old school version of the basic Enforcers and that's what they get? Some other option that we're not seeing (such as they actually have the basic troopers tooled in restic before the KS started and are using that one)?

Seems like a weird sort of place to be, really.

On a similar note, will Survey 2 backers get the plastic sprues instead of the restic? Or will they get the restic with hard plastic as well/to follow?


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 scarletsquig wrote:

Also, I hate to point it out, but the faction starters were more expensive during the KS than at retail for UK backers... $35 during the KS (£21.93), £19.99 retail. The dollar was worth more back then too so the difference can't be attributed to currency differences. Equal prices for US backers, mind.

Do the KS faction starters come with additional models over retail? And weren't they in some kind of BOGOF deal as well? (Sorry, I legitimately can't remember all of the ins and outs and permutations of the optional extras for DZ)

 scarletsquig wrote:
If I ever get a marauder army, it will not be painted green, probably a red/brown like the KoW ogre skintone. Want them to look like the primitive violent aliens with a strong military structure and get away from the "Orks must look like this because GW said so" theme.

Good idea. It's been good to see Mantic pull away from GW with their Rebels, Plague and Enforcers, but the Marauders, lovely minis as they are, still feel like a throwback.

@Azazel: That depends on how effective the people Mantic are sending over to China are at teaching them how to do their job properly. From the sounds of it Mantic staff are having to pretty much commandeer the place to get good results out of it. :p

If they still can't get hard plastic right after several attempts, plan B is "screw it, restic everything", and the entire second survey contents other than the battlezones will be restic.

This includes kits such as the Plague Zombies and Enforcer Peacekeepers which could end up restic if they can't get it sorted. As Ronnie said "we're confident, but we've been confident before and it went wrong".

On the whole it is good news for backers since it is a statement of total commitment to good quality. It is coupled with an in-advance refund offer for anyone who only bought the models because they were going to be hard plastic.

And yes, KS starters came with an extra 1-3 models per set. There was no BOGOF or anything during the KS, but they were offered at 2 for $50 during the survey. Someone corrected me earlier in the thread on that point.

It's a shame to see so many other companies just pop up and start selling hard plastic sprues while Mantic just wallows around trying to get one thing right. If WWX, Dropzone, 6mm whatevers, PDC toys in your toys, etc. can get plastic sprues done for cheap, how can an established, popular company like Mantic have so much trouble? Jebus, just call up Wyrd and ask for WGF's phone number already.

It boggles my mind that Mantic is willing to put a bullet in their future's head by marrying restic when the wargames market is experiencing the birth of the hard plastic renaissance.

I'm sure Mark from Dreamforge would be willing to give them WGF's contact info. The kits I received from Mark are beyond fantastic.

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 scarletsquig wrote:
@Azazel: That depends on how effective the people Mantic are sending over to China are at teaching them how to do their job properly. From the sounds of it Mantic staff are having to pretty much commandeer the place to get good results out of it. :p

If they still can't get hard plastic right after several attempts, plan B is "screw it, restic everything", and the entire second survey contents other than the battlezones will be restic.

This includes kits such as the Plague Zombies and Enforcer Peacekeepers which could end up restic if they can't get it sorted. As Ronnie said "we're confident, but we've been confident before and it went wrong".

On the whole it is good news for backers since it is a statement of total commitment to good quality. It is coupled with an in-advance refund offer for anyone who only bought the models because they were going to be hard plastic.

And yes, KS starters came with an extra 1-3 models per set. There was no BOGOF or anything during the KS, but they were offered at 2 for $50 during the survey. Someone corrected me earlier in the thread on that point.

Thanks for the info, a lot there to consider as we see how this plays out - Especially with the non-discount the KS essentially gave on the starter sets, which doesn't really endear Mantic well for future KS campaigns since online retailers will have things like that cheaper then the KS, without needing to buy sight unseen 6-12 months in advance...

Yeah, the volume of kits you can churn out of a HIPs mold is worth paying some money for it. In particular something that would be multi faceted to cover more then one game and multiple units like the Enforcer kit is trying to do. I'm not sure if they are just giving some other upstart company a chance, or they are doing this at a discount vendor, or what the overall issues are.

Like many, I really hope they get this crap bagged out. It's a shame Mantic might get held back because they can't get a couple essential kits figured out.

 Vermonter wrote:
Loved them then, love them now. (Yes, even the "dancing" sniper. The snipers - the best received Marauder models by far - are incidentally sculpted by the same guy who did the 3rd gens and the trolls from KOW.

Only half right. The Goblin snipers and Stage 3s were done by their in-house sculptor. The KoW Trolls weren't.

@agnosto: On the Mantic forums we've been raving about how good WGF is at tooling since before the DFG KS (first production pics of malifaux sprues 18 months ago).

Unfortunately, I think the opportunity to use them has passed. They now have a much busier schedule / larger client list and probably charge more than the fees that Mark managed to secure on the DFG KS, which WGF saw as mutually beneficial to turn around their reputation by really showcasing their talent.

There are however a lot of other tooling options beyond WGF or Renedra which I've already blathered on about at length. It could be the case that mantic are simply in too deep with their current company to be able to risk switching at short notice rather than them not being aware of the fact that there's a few new UK companies doing it for £3-5k/sprue these days. Digital sculpting workflows and CNC advances have changed a lot of things very quickly and you do have stuff like DZC (a 1-man operation tooling entire armies in hard plastic, without kickstarter) these days.

As many have pointed out they'd have to go through exactly the same validation and QC process with any new company and KS timetables probably don't allow for that.

 Souleater wrote:
Does anybody know what will be available in the second survey? Just stuff from wave two or a repeat of the first survey?

Okay, thanks. \/ \/ \/

I believe they said that everything will be available in the second survey.

Anyone getting responses to their Dreadball messages to Mantic?

Joyboozer wrote:
Anyone getting responses to their Dreadball messages to Mantic?

I wish I had.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1621774283/battle-systemstm-sci-fi-modular-terrain?ref=banner

Stop the plague from escaping the planet!!!! This stuff looks great and could really add in some interesting scenarios. Even things like attacking Freighters where certain players are holding their base of operations. Already getting excited to plug this stuff into the scenarios.

(And just look at the video. It's all Mantic models lol)