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2013/01/26 16:22:36
Subject: 2++ CSM Save?
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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Just looking through my codex, and I found that a chaos lord in termie armor(5++) can take sigil of corruption(4++) . Would this give him a 2+ invulnerable save? I am new so I may just be being stupid. Can you please help?
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2013/01/26 16:24:31
Subject: 2++ CSM Save?
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Perfect Shot Black Templar Predator Pilot
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Nope, his inv save becomes 4+. Inv saves do not stack with each other. He would have a 2+/4+.
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2013/01/27 00:47:30
Subject: 2++ CSM Save?
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Tilter at Windmills
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As above. They don't stack. Taking both would be useless*, because he can only use the best one.
*The only possible situation I can think of where it might do anything is if a Vindicare Assassin used his Shieldbreaker round on you, which permanently removes any invuln. save from wargear. I'd have to look at the exact phrasing, but having both might mean you have a spare.  )
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2013/01/27 01:32:05
Subject: 2++ CSM Save?
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Lieutenant General
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From Codex Grey Knights:
... the model loses any invulnerable saves granted by items of wargear...
So unless it was changed in a FAQ you wouldn't have a 'spare' invulnerable save.
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2013/01/27 02:14:29
Subject: 2++ CSM Save?
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Tilter at Windmills
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Yeah, I think that covers it. Fluff-wise, I don't think Aura of Dark Glory should be affected by Shieldbreaker, as it's not an item that grants the sve, but it is an item (as in listed) on the wargear page, so I agree that it's lost as well.
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2013/01/27 03:33:50
Subject: Re:2++ CSM Save?
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Khorne Chosen Marine Riding a Juggernaut
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A Tzeentch Lord in Termi Armor and Sigil would have a 2+/3++ save.
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2013/01/27 07:21:39
Subject: 2++ CSM Save?
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Big Mek in Kustom Dragster with Soopa-Gun
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2+ invul by default? if i saw that being legal on anything that wasnt unique/insanely INSANELY expensive i'd question the sanity of GW codex writers.
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2013/01/27 07:31:23
Subject: 2++ CSM Save?
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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 Vineheart01 wrote:2+ invul by default? if i saw that being legal on anything that wasnt unique/insanely INSANELY expensive i'd question the sanity of GW codex writers.
While the OP misinterpreted the rules, why would GW be insane for allowing this? It cerrainly wouldn't happen to any run-of-the-mill models, only very expensive and unique model. Calm down...
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2013/01/27 15:59:26
Subject: 2++ CSM Save?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I miss my old Canoness' Cloak of St Aspira. 2+ save made 2++ with a Ld test!
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2013/01/28 00:02:11
Subject: 2++ CSM Save?
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Twisting Tzeentch Horror
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Like idk a unique, well just generic DE archon?
Best you can do with CSM is on a HQ get a 2+/3++/5+++(FNP)
Or more easily a 2++/4++/5+++
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2013/01/28 00:12:12
Subject: 2++ CSM Save?
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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I like to think the Studio has an unwritten rule (or maybe it's printed above all the desks, I've never been) about 2++ saves always having a downside. Shadowfield is lost when failed, Ghazghull only has it for a turn, Nemesis Warding Stave only in CC, I believe the Cloak of St. Aspira was once a game, a leadership test or a faith test?
The day this rule is broken is the day I will be certain codex creep is more than a shift in design philosophy and an increase in number of kits available to a faction.
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2013/01/28 03:37:17
Subject: Re:2++ CSM Save?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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I think the only 2++ saves in the game ATM are Warding Staves for GKs(only melee) and Ghazskull on his Waaaagh.
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2013/01/28 03:38:49
Subject: 2++ CSM Save?
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Twisting Tzeentch Horror
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DE Archon, and what is almost as good is a 3++ on an entire squad with FNP at T5.
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2013/01/28 03:51:38
Subject: Re:2++ CSM Save?
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The Conquerer
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Right, forgot about that. Maybe cuz my buddy always fails it
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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2013/01/28 04:34:10
Subject: 2++ CSM Save?
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Ravager
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The old Necron Wraiths in 4e had 2++ standard 
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2013/01/28 08:43:15
Subject: 2++ CSM Save?
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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They had a 3++, same as now. Phase Shift gave a 3+ invulnerable save and (as they were then) frag grenades :L
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2013/01/29 08:31:15
Subject: 2++ CSM Save?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Cloak of St Aspira was a piece of wargear that gave 2+
An act of faith (Ld test) costing a faith point, made it 2++
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