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 HisDivineShadow wrote:
Mathieu... For referring to Episodes 1-3 I just revoked a few Nerd cred points.

That aside...I'm hoping they can stay on track for a q2 release. I need/want alot of the things.

Also. .. Any one have ideas on figures that would make good conscripts in relation to Eisenkern? Or conversions to them?

Why not WGF WW2 Germans as the conscripts? For conversions, their Shock Troopers have some cool looking 'energy weapons' and helmets that work with the DFG style.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
Mathieu... For referring to Episodes 1-3 I just revoked a few Nerd cred points.

That aside...I'm hoping they can stay on track for a q2 release. I need/want alot of the things.

Also. .. Any one have ideas on figures that would make good conscripts in relation to Eisenkern? Or conversions to them?

Why not WGF WW2 Germans as the conscripts? For conversions, their Shock Troopers have some cool looking 'energy weapons' and helmets that work with the DFG style.

That's exactly what I was thinking of doing. They'll look suitable soft and wimpy compared to the armoured gods that are the Eisenkern.

I just discovered them. I'm actually going with the Soviets. Since they come with one extra. [Commissar]

and they were on sale for 13 usd a box this weekend.

and regarding bases.... general convention says bigger is hardly ever a problem. Smaller bases are borderline cheating.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
Considering that the bases are integrated into the infantry sprue produced so far. ..I wonder if that's even a good idea. They are a little bigger then geedub... but it's manageable. And the further out those concepts went the less I liked them.
And while I love Vic ' s stuff. .. They aren't exactly priced well for using as Conscripts.

I voted for the craziest of the bases. I figure that if I want GW or PP-sized bases, they're easy to come by and cheap as chips. Agreed on Vic's stuff as well.




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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Why not WGF WW2 Germans as the conscripts? For conversions, their Shock Troopers have some cool looking 'energy weapons' and helmets that work with the DFG style.

OK, now that (or Warlord Germans, or Perry DAK) is a simple and perfect idea for conscripts to the Eisenkern. Kudos, Bob.

As for the plain and smooth surface of the Hanomag, well, look at a real Hanomag opf WW-II they were pretty smooth skinned, camo, decals, maybe some fresh Hord-O-Bitz orders for Imperial Aquilas to glue on and well, there ay go, plus the hanging of kit bags as well, I see it as an easier to make as you like model where the Taurox, well, major work needed. Wheels being the easiest part to exchange, I have seen some nice re-works of the Taurox out there.
Hanomag I like more. so saving for those instead .

 shasolenzabi wrote:
As for the plain and smooth surface of the Hanomag, well, look at a real Hanomag opf WW-II they were pretty smooth skinned, camo, decals, maybe some fresh Hord-O-Bitz orders for Imperial Aquilas to glue on and well, there ay go, plus the hanging of kit bags as well, I see it as an easier to make as you like model where the Taurox, well, major work needed. Wheels being the easiest part to exchange, I have seen some nice re-works of the Taurox out there.
Hanomag I like more. so saving for those instead .

Yeah, I think that people who cry "but it's so plain!" at the Iron Core stuff do so mainly because 40k has conditioned so much of the tabletop mini gamers to it's aesthetic of OVERdecoration and embellishment of surfaces. For those that really demand bling, there's a virtue in having a blank canvas to which you can add bits where YOU want it, while it's a good deal harder to scrape off extra unwanted decoration without screwing the model up badly.

Come on Mark gives us an update we need weekly teasers!

shade1313 wrote:

 shasolenzabi wrote:
As for the plain and smooth surface of the Hanomag, well, look at a real Hanomag opf WW-II they were pretty smooth skinned, camo, decals, maybe some fresh Hord-O-Bitz orders for Imperial Aquilas to glue on and well, there ay go, plus the hanging of kit bags as well, I see it as an easier to make as you like model where the Taurox, well, major work needed. Wheels being the easiest part to exchange, I have seen some nice re-works of the Taurox out there.
Hanomag I like more. so saving for those instead .

Yeah, I think that people who cry "but it's so plain!" at the Iron Core stuff do so mainly because 40k has conditioned so much of the tabletop mini gamers to it's aesthetic of OVERdecoration and embellishment of surfaces. For those that really demand bling, there's a virtue in having a blank canvas to which you can add bits where YOU want it, while it's a good deal harder to scrape off extra unwanted decoration without screwing the model up badly.

Exactly! I like the idea of details, but if there is no need for extraneous crud crusted all over the machine, it allows one to do their own personal touches. to the models. Many have been conditioned to expect a ton of unneeded details and ornamentation on their models as GW does, yet as was noted in WW-II, "aim for the hatches!" as those were the weak points as were other parts of heavier armored tanks that lighter tanks faced. I like still the Hanomag over the Taurox, and those who have placed wheels on the second model, they improve greatly, just so many other details for detailing sake the Taurox has overly in abundance. Glad I'm not the only one thinking of the possibilities the plainer armor of the hanomag offers!

http://dwartist.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/cleared-desks-for-this.html

Awesome!

dwartist wrote:
http://dwartist.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/cleared-desks-for-this.html

Holy crap, that's way, way more sprues then I was expecting...

I'm guessing those sprues don't have the same footprint as the Leviathan ones? That is still a massive amount of plastic, which would justify Land Raider prices.

Plus, you know, full interior.

What's the retail on these again?

The KS price was 46USD. pile on a certain percentage, I'd say in the vicinity of 60-65USD?

Wow. I've seen leviathans on sale for $75-80. These things must have a lot of plastic.

Retail on Leviathans is $110-120 (Mortis vs. Crusader), though obviously discounters and sales drive that cost into the range you're seeing. A guess of $60-65 retail on the APC probably isn't that far off. Maybe $75 if the retail package includes the crew and passengers.

As excited as I am for the models, I have to suppress my overdeveloped sense of instant gratification; these are likely a ways off still. Closer now than ever before, but still not a "coming to shelves next week!" situation. Not that I need to be in any sort of hurry; my painting queue could probably stretch into the 2030s at this point...

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'm guessing those sprues don't have the same footprint as the Leviathan ones? That is still a massive amount of plastic, which would justify Land Raider prices.

Plus, you know, full interior.

Plus True scale. As in you can actually get the crew, and 10 troops inside the thing. And there is an obvious place for the engine (Hope there is an exhaust too!). And it looks like we get working steering and rotating wheels. And it looks unlikely that you jump out of a door straight into the firing line of its own guns (Land Raider and Taurox, I'm looking at you!)

Plus nice large flat armour plates. Good for adding your own detail if you want, and for not having to carefully remove shedloads of skulls/chapter icons/whatever if you don't.

dwartist wrote:
http://dwartist.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/cleared-desks-for-this.html

Thanx for that share Dwartist! It shows what we can look forwards to, and if improvements are made before it goes retail sale, even better! Likely be in a chunky brick of a box I will be likely order batches if they are at 50bucks or so. I need a decent amount for my Eisenkern platoons

Thanks dwartist!

looking Forward to see it painted by you!

Sooooooo glad I took 2 of each variant during the KS! Looks way better - even still on the sprue - than any vehicle available for 28mm/heroic scale games!

http://dwartist.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/wip-dreamforge-eisenkern-keilerkopf-apc.html

That thing is sick.

The sooner it gets released the better, the abomination that is the GW Taurox will help sell these I think. Some people might not want to wait too long and will pop for the GW kit if they're on the fence.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
That thing is sick.
The sooner it gets released the better, the abomination that is the GW Taurox will help sell these I think. Some people might not want to wait too long and will pop for the GW kit if they're on the fence.

That would be a lethal dose of buyers remorse I think!

Very cool seeing it come together starting with the sprue and now progressing through the assembly. Thanks for tracking it and taking all the pics, dwartist!

 Yonan wrote:

 Dr Mathias wrote:
That thing is sick.
The sooner it gets released the better, the abomination that is the GW Taurox will help sell these I think. Some people might not want to wait too long and will pop for the GW kit if they're on the fence.

That would be a lethal dose of buyers remorse I think!

sadly I dont see this product hitting the market soon enough to steal any market share from the Taurox

Without the wheels it even looks sick it even screams to me to leav the wheels off and make some exhaust/jet vents to make it VTOL or grav affect vehicle.

That thing is beautiful...and I want a full sized, operational Keilerkopf of my very own! It would be the ultimate work truck for me.

That dos look sweet! could you place it next to the Puppets' War Brick for size comparison? I know dwartist painted one up, I have 6 of the bricks and would like an idea of how big the Hanomag will be!

interior painting started...


http://dwartist.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/wip-dreamforge-eisenkern-keilerkopf-apc.html

Man, that's nice. Reminds me of a scale model of a real-world vehicle, and it's striking just how different that impression is from ANYTHING GW puts out.

I would still love to see a pic alongside another APC like a "Brick" or chimera for size comparisons. It is looking like a beefy machine!