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I think it's more a case of there being more odd ideas in his head than he can get out and produced

(otherwise we'd have been sold several of the figures he handed out in the grab bags of death a couple of years ago that had been through the concept art process, sculpted and even cast before he decided they weren't quite good enough to sell)

but it's certainly not cheap paying $25 for a human sized mini (with art card)..... Unless you're buying GW plastic characters then it's just par for the course

I'd love to get them all but I don't have the budget (and miss a fair few as I'm asleep when they hit or not on the PC), but I'll take what I can get


 
   
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I am a bit surprised that KD doesn't offer pre-order options on their site. Like you enter the pre-order queue for models that are out of stock, then when they restock you get automatically sent one in order. Even if KD took like 10% of the price up-front, it would seem to work a lot better, plus give them some good information on what to re-release next. Hell, they could even send you a heads up email saying "This thing you are in line for is going to be made and sent out in a week or so; anything you want to add to your order?" That alone should be worth a few more model sales every time.


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That and Adam is one man.

One man, who is rightly focused on delivering Wave 1 small items and Wave 2 boxed sets to backers.

That he made a breather to do an Update and release some more stuff is pretty cool. It shows the business continues as they work through the crunch.


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 Wehrkind wrote:
I am a bit surprised that KD doesn't offer pre-order options on their site.


I think it's a logistics tracking thing, but you're absolutely right that KD:M needs a preorder/restock mechanism, where he can put 500 things on order, max 1 per backer address, and then take the rest as a single restock order wave. That way he clears his initial shipment and has a single well-defined restock afterward, and everybody gets what they want.

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He also needs to sell this stuff to fund the KS delivery IIRC, it has kinda sorta grown out of proportion over time.



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 BrookM wrote:
He also needs to sell this stuff to fund the KS delivery IIRC, it has kinda sorta grown out of proportion over time.


Nomoreso than the derrierre's of his pinups.

   
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To be honest, he really doesn't have to take preorders- it's going to sell out.

Unless it's the Apotheosis models apparently.


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Chopxsticks wrote:
His business model really seems like "I'm low on cash lets release something"

Uh, it is. He has mentioned it once or twice(in an update for the Kickstarter I know) that resin releases have paid for a large portion of the Kickstarter. I forget the amount exactly.

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I like to think that these resin sales have helped fund the EU and ROW shipments.



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I think having the models available as a preorder queue would reduce the incentive people have to "Buy now!" the second they become available. I really don't like this business model - I think KD's Monster box is ace, but I haven't bought one of their resins since I got the Flower Knight several years ago.
   
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 RiTides wrote:
I think having the models available as a preorder queue would reduce the incentive people have to "Buy now!" the second they become available. I really don't like this business model - I think KD's Monster box is ace, but I haven't bought one of their resins since I got the Flower Knight several years ago.


I don't know about that. It would lessen the worry about not being able to get it, and thus the concern of "losing one's place", but it does it by solidifying one's place, which is what he wants anyway. If say 750 people want a model (which seems reasonable, given how they sell out) and he makes 500, the last 250 still are left wanting, and the model still has that elusive and hard to get feel. It just makes it easier to buy, and less dependent on luck. That might diminish a little bit of the rush buy option, but then the "oooh I can save on shipping if I get X and Y too!" would probably make up for it.
At this point, I don't think Adam's issue is selling more models or stimulating demand; he already has way more demand than he is willing or able to meet. The issue now is how to improve getting the models to the people who want them most. (Really, the economist in me says that he should be running an auction, with the top 500 bidders getting models, so basically charging people close to their maximum willingness to pay. He could be getting a lot more money per model at the top end...)


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The rush buy thing is handled simply by closing orders on Sunday night. Total 2 runs of resin, and that's it until who knows when.

   
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 Wehrkind wrote:
At this point, I don't think Adam's issue is selling more models or stimulating demand; he already has way more demand than he is willing or able to meet. The issue now is how to improve getting the models to the people who want them most. (Really, the economist in me says that he should be running an auction, with the top 500 bidders getting models, so basically charging people close to their maximum willingness to pay. He could be getting a lot more money per model at the top end...)

That's most certainly true. But based on comments Adam has made, I don't think he'd consider auctioning off the models the same as getting them to fans. I certainly wouldn't be able to compete with people willing and able to spend $100+ per human-sized model on eBay so this would kind of lock me out unless the lower end auctions sold for close to what they sell direct for now; even that being the case, the supply available at the current price point would shrink significantly. It'd be an interesting experiment, though, to see the effect on sales, prospectors, and prices.
   
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Auctions simply go to the highest 500 bidders. As long as you bid higher than the 500th, you get an item. It's a very fair mechanism that would net more of the profit to Adam by aligning price more clearly with demand.

   
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I find the prices insane already - the idea of raising them via an auction - ugh!

Wehrkind, I bow to your soon-to-be-PhD economics knowledge (not joking - dude's an economist!) but I feel like there's a term - what is it, price inflexibility? There's a point that you can increase the price to and not affect sales negatively, but there's a line it can cross where people balk.

That happened with the $50 single injection molded plastic model they put out a while back - it was just too much and people were not willing to pay.

It seems like they're nowhere near that point here, as people readily buy up the limited resins despite the cost - but I think it's due to their "limited" nature (which makes the fact that they can easily restock encores even more frustrating, because it seems to me to be creating its own demand while it is not truly limited, just being presented that way in waves).

Anyway, I probably just sound grumpy but I much prefer companies that are, you know, willing to sell me what I want to buy so don't bother with ones where I have to jump so quickly and can't even plan for something like a Kickstarter (one month) timeframe.
   
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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Auctions simply go to the highest 500 bidders. As long as you bid higher than the 500th, you get an item. It's a very fair mechanism that would net more of the profit to Adam by aligning price more clearly with demand.

Again, that's true. But Adam hasn't seemed to fond of eBay auctions of his products. From the comments section of the kickstarter:
@Matt Roach, I don't wanna spoil plans for holiday releases. I would think that as we are entering the holiday season again soon... you might have whatever answer you are looking for! If you are thinking about eBay, just reach out to joe. Despite our game name, we are not monsters and while I do respect collectors being one myself, i find it personally a little sickening when product we have in stock, in the store is on eBay with a mark up... ah commercialism.

So, again-again, the idea that selling his models to the highest bidder would net him more profit isn't something I question. It's almost certainly true. I would, however, disagree with such a policy. This is getting kind of off-topic, though, as there're no indicators that such a system is being considered.
   
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 RiTides wrote:
I find the prices insane already - the idea of raising them via an auction - ugh!

Wehrkind, I bow to your soon-to-be-PhD economics knowledge (not joking - dude's an economist!) but I feel like there's a term - what is it, price inflexibility? There's a point that you can increase the price to and not affect sales negatively, but there's a line it can cross where people balk.

That happened with the $50 single injection molded plastic model they put out a while back - it was just too much and people were not willing to pay.

It seems like they're nowhere near that point here, as people readily buy up the limited resins despite the cost - but I think it's due to their "limited" nature (which makes the fact that they can easily restock encores even more frustrating, because it seems to me to be creating its own demand while it is not truly limited, just being presented that way in waves).

Anyway, I probably just sound grumpy but I much prefer companies that are, you know, willing to sell me what I want to buy so don't bother with ones where I have to jump so quickly and can't even plan for something like a Kickstarter (one month) timeframe.


That's true if ALL your prices are that. With an auction where the 500 highest bids get models, you are basically matching your demand curve. It is possible that no-one will be willing to pay more than 20$ a model, but in that case you will just have a range between 20$ and whatever it is sells for now.

Remind me later to explain the concept of "price elasticity" to you later


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Adam has an e-commerce site that can host its own auctions without going through eBay or another 3rd party. It's not rocket science.

Anyhow, I do like the Halloween Witches, and I do hope they become available in plastic.

   
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 RiTides wrote:
I find the prices insane already - the idea of raising them via an auction - ugh!

Wehrkind, I bow to your soon-to-be-PhD economics knowledge (not joking - dude's an economist!) but I feel like there's a term - what is it, price inflexibility? There's a point that you can increase the price to and not affect sales negatively, but there's a line it can cross where people balk.

That happened with the $50 single injection molded plastic model they put out a while back - it was just too much and people were not willing to pay.

Are you talking about the $50 plastic model that turned out to be a 54mm figure?

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Yes, although it's not a 54mm scale figure, just bigger once everything was accounted for... the point was the limit of what folks are willing to pay, though.
   
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Any idea if there will be another kickstarter in 2016 for a new game or expansions?

It's going to be so expensive for us Europeans (import duties / shipping) to buy the new expansions, unless he gets an EU distributor.

I so want a plastic forge god expansion !! :-P

 
   
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 RiTides wrote:
Yes, although it's not a 54mm scale figure, just bigger once everything was accounted for... the point was the limit of what folks are willing to pay, though.

If it was the Christmas figure it was a 54mm pinup. The leg alone was as big as a regular KD mini.

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 devilution wrote:
It's going to be so expensive for us Europeans (import duties / shipping) to buy the new expansions, unless he gets an EU distributor.
He won't, he wants to keep this internal, ROW be damned!



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 BrookM wrote:
 devilution wrote:
It's going to be so expensive for us Europeans (import duties / shipping) to buy the new expansions, unless he gets an EU distributor.
He won't, he wants to keep this internal, ROW be damned!


RoW RoW RoW your boat, gently down the stream...with massive customs and services charged, KD is just a dream...

Joking aside I doubt Adam will ever relinquish control of the resins. He doesn't like the idea of the experience being anything less than what he intended, and with the fragility of resins and the "boutique" nature of them I just don't see his personality allowing him to work with a third-party on that. I think he'd plainly rather not sell them than sell them on someone else's terms.

Where I personally see a bit of wiggle room is on the KD:M expansions. Those are pre-packaged with a comparatively rugged material. That's both easier to work with and fewer SKUs that they would need to bother with. Granted, some of the grumblings Adam has let slip about his fulfillment partners may mean that he's loathe to even do that much, but that's where I see the potential of such an arrangement getting worked out for the benefit of the EU at least.

So...that's all the important people covered, right? Just sheep down there in Australia, right?
   
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He had a UK distributor/stockist in the past to go with the CMON in the US and Full Metal Planet in Japan,

but sadly Maelstrom games folded

 
   
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 Sinful Hero wrote:
 RiTides wrote:
Yes, although it's not a 54mm scale figure, just bigger once everything was accounted for... the point was the limit of what folks are willing to pay, though.

If it was the Christmas figure it was a 54mm pinup. The leg alone was as big as a regular KD mini.


IIRC it wasn't clearly stated on there either that it was 54mm

$50 for a 54mm is a lot more palatable than for a 32mm model. It's still on the high range for me, but a lot more palatable.

And like many, certainly hoping 2014 Halloween buyers can get the gear card. I'll be a little salty if I can't.

 
   
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 Krinsath wrote:
RoW RoW RoW your boat, gently down the stream...with massive customs and services charged, KD is just a dream...

Joking aside I doubt Adam will ever relinquish control of the resins. He doesn't like the idea of the experience being anything less than what he intended, and with the fragility of resins and the "boutique" nature of them I just don't see his personality allowing him to work with a third-party on that. I think he'd plainly rather not sell them than sell them on someone else's terms.

Where I personally see a bit of wiggle room is on the KD:M expansions. Those are pre-packaged with a comparatively rugged material. That's both easier to work with and fewer SKUs that they would need to bother with. Granted, some of the grumblings Adam has let slip about his fulfillment partners may mean that he's loathe to even do that much, but that's where I see the potential of such an arrangement getting worked out for the benefit of the EU at least.

So...that's all the important people covered, right? Just sheep down there in Australia, right?
As one of Dakka's biggest witches once said "Rest of world doesn't matter."

I think it was said in the past that he wants to keep everything internal, including sales of the main game and its expansions. I'm personally glad we bought them all during the KS, as in this day and age I refuse to buy US when the USPS charges so much for non-US shipping.



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 devilution wrote:
Any idea if there will be another kickstarter in 2016 for a new game or expansions?


I would hope to see a 2016 KS for the next (smaller) increment of stuff, stuff that can deliver within a year.

I would not expect "FREE" shipping or subsidized customs, though.

   
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I don't know if he's going to do another KS so soon after finally wrapping up this one, but it will be interesting to see what it's going to be. More monsters, or the proposed heroes expansion?



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Rumors suggest "Kingdom Death: Heroes" isn't even an expansion, rather a full, second game, akin to Warhammer Quest.

11527pts Total (7400pts painted)

4980pts Total (4980pts painted)

3730 Total (210pts painted) 
   
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Well, that's not a project done in under a year then.



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Can we stop with this $26 for a 32mm model. They are 40mm models hand-cast in resin.

And the heroes game is allegedly just called Kingdom Death which is supposed to be Berserk themed Warhammer Quest.

And I am buried in plastic and resin with still more en route. Adam's not the only one that needs a breather.

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