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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 06:12:10
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Aspirant Tech-Adept
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An email to their help desk. The address is at the bottom of the confirmation you receive for each order.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 06:22:07
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Eternally-Stimulated Slaanesh Dreadnought
rainbow dashing to your side
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ah ok, thanks
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my little space marine army, now 20% cooler http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/424613.page
school league:
round 1 2011 W/2 L/1 D/0 round 1 2012 : W/2 L/1 D/0
round 2 2011 W/3 L/0 D/0 round 2 2012 W/3 L/0 D/0
round 3 2011: W/2 L/0 D/1 round 3 2012 W/4 L/0 D/0
school league champions 2011
school league champions 2012
"best painted army, warhammer invasion 2012/2013 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 07:31:58
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Ouch, armour sprues are normally $50?!
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 07:41:30
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Expensive, but I do like most of those armor :0 I not sure he really needs more of my money even if I do want a few boxes ;(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 09:45:25
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Aspirant Tech-Adept
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Supplies have held up for a few hours now. So a bit of a recap for those that haven't seen yet.
Black Friday specials available as well as resins, including the KD:M kickstarter pinups. Armor kits are still available as well.
 
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 10:07:39
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster
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The Naked Kickstarter Pin-up collection......some of the models were part of game expansion packs.....have any of them not been available in plastic before.
I'm struggling to work out if I've got them all?!
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Ex-Mantic Rules Committees: Kings of War, Warpath
"The Emperor is obviously not a dictator, he's a couch."
Starbuck: "Why can't we use the starboard launch bays?"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 11:38:37
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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All the naked collection are from the KS and none have been available outside of that in plastic or resin
so if you got all the KS content you've got them all
(note the regeneration suit pinup was a freebie with the Gorm Expansion, so you probably won't have ordered her as a separate item)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 12:58:38
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Major
In a van down by the river
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I got more armor kits ordered, because I found that I like the look of Lantern armor more than I thought I would during the KS. Also topped up a few others either in anticipation of the expansion coming or because I similarly liked it more in the flesh than I did in 2013.
$50 for 4 models at RRP is a fairly high price point, even if GW has moved the bar on that a bit to where for some people that's almost a bargain. I think there's a value proposition to be had in there with the customization and inter-changeability with other kits, but if you're not already invested to leverage some aspects of it then it IS kind of steep. Also, that's before the standard "Close your eyes and think of <insert EU country here>" experience the RoW gets with customs, fees, fees on the customs, taxes on the fees and the customs tax on the fees for the tax...plus five Euros because they can. At the BF prices and being in the US though, why certainly I'll add more to my toolbox of parts!
As far as the promo and pinup collections, it is something of a bummer that they were available after fulfillment for less (if you buy them all). However, I can find no where in the campaign that the pinups were ever marketed as "exclusive" (see the incomplete list here from the campaign to see they're not "KickStarter Specials": http://kingdomdeath.com/ks_images/side-options.jpg) and the promos were said to be available for special KD events after the KS. I know Black Friday doesn't seem particularly special, but remember that's when KD:M launched, and he's always had special things up for BF so it *is* such a day.
On the whole though the price aspect on the collections doesn't bother me too much though; if you bought the collections and KD:M now you'd save $140 on the pinups and promos (sans game content on the promos, but backers don't have that yet either) but then "lose" $225 on the game for a net loss of $85 versus a KS backer (and technically for an eventual good chunk less content since you'd be a Herald of Death just from Core Game + all pin-ups and promos and thus be getting 2 expansions included). So if your only interest was the pin-ups and promos, then yes; you would have been better off waiting. Still, given that the KS focus was on the game, I'm fine with how things worked out on being a backer versus waiting for retail. Naturally, YMMV on that point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 13:50:06
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I value the little art cards that came with my KS pinups too
so while I would have been happy to grab the 'naked' (art card free) if I hadn't got them already I'm happy to have paid a bit more for the 'full' KS versions
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 16:41:06
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Serious Squig Herder
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Yeah - I'm a bit miffed that the pinups & promos (which comprised 80% of my pledge) are available so much cheaper now. Especially since I only got my pledge like a month ago.
I would have saved money AND gotten a more complete collection by NOT pledging. I value the art cards they come with - but not that much.
It's not the worst thing in the world I suppose, but might want to think stuff like that out more in the future. Might cause people to second guess future KS pledges.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 17:16:41
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Using Object Source Lighting
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Yeah, just a touch annoyed that those minis were cheaper, glad I didn't get many so I could jump in for cheaper and can still flip the duplicates, but, still, seems like the discount shouldn't have gone below KS prices.
Also, $50 for armor packs? That's... not competitive, in my opinion. $25 like the sale had me considering but not buying. $50 is more than a lot of skirmish starters, so I think I'll be rethinking how I build guys before getting those.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 17:39:45
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Same here, we may have some doubles from the pledge, but we'll be careful with what we use or not when making minis. €50,- for four minis and a pile of bits.. not even including the cut throat shipping. For that money one can get a whole lot more and then some from other companies.
So, with this all going up for retail, could this also mean we're finally getting instructions for all the models as well then?
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 17:48:23
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The section's up on the website now (but pointing to a fan site only so far)
http://build.kingdomdeath.com/
as well as the scenarios for the KS minis that needed them and a few other bits and pieces
http://tools.kingdomdeath.com/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 18:10:25
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Ah, cheers for that, I still need to build the Watcher one of these days. Also happy to see a .pdf of the character sheet, though there appears to be no settlement sheet present as of right now.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 19:05:30
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Dakka Veteran
Central WI
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I spent around $1400 in the kickstarter to make sure I didn't miss out on anything. I bought the pledge with some resin extras, and 1 of all add ons.
Ridiculous, this is how we are rewarded for our support many years ago. I used to support poots/kd and buy everything that came out since the beginning.
Looks like i have a date with ebay, I am going to liquidate my never assembled collection soon...
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IN ALAE MORTIS... On the wings of Death!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 19:40:28
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Been Around the Block
NJ
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I bought everything other than the pinups during the KS (well, I also skipped Kara Black and Candy & Cola, because I didn't recognize them), so I just bought the Naked Kickstarter Pinup Collection now. That will give me a double of Allison the Twilight Knight and the Regeneration Suit, but it seems worth it.
So: while yes, it's a bit annoying that the Naked collections work out to be cheaper than buying from the KS, remember that the KS versions of the Promo figures will, at some point, have cards that go with them - in most cases a gear card, hunt card and settlement card, if I recall correctly. The Messenger of Humanity gets a prosthetic stone arm card, for example. So if you're at all interested in the game, it's absolutely worth it to have bought the KS versions.
The Naked Kickstarter Pinups...well, I guess it depends how much you value the art cards.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 19:47:47
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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HAHAHA, we didn't get any cards with those when we got them. So funny.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 19:50:55
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Fixture of Dakka
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455_PWR wrote:I spent around $1400 in the kickstarter to make sure I didn't miss out on anything. I bought the pledge with some resin extras, and 1 of all add ons.
Ridiculous, this is how we are rewarded for our support many years ago. I used to support poots/ kd and buy everything that came out since the beginning.
Looks like i have a date with ebay, I am going to liquidate my never assembled collection soon...
Are you really that upset over a one day sale? That seems a bit extreme imho.
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BrookM wrote:HAHAHA, we didn't get any cards with those when we got them. So funny.
They're shipping with the expansion wave aren't they? Wait, which cards are we talking about, and with what miniatures?
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Black Bases and Grey Plastic Forever:My quaint little hobby blog.
40k- The Kumunga Swarm (more)
Count Mortimer’s Private Security Force/Excavation Team  (building)
Kabal of the Grieving Widow (less)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 19:55:28
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Dakka Veteran
Central WI
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No that's not extreme. They were labeled as kickstarter only exclusive. They are being sold at retail today. This type of thing is spoken about in bbb meetings and contract law. It is bad business and shows how well the creator values his investors and fans.
I have too many games anyway and never played kd:m yet, so selling it to play what I already use makes perfect sense in light of this. I used to buy everything to help support poots too, so not purchasing anymore product is a way of showing his companies support back.
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IN ALAE MORTIS... On the wings of Death!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 19:59:54
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Fixture of Dakka
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455_PWR wrote:No that's not extreme. They were labeled as kickstarter only exclusive. They are being sold at retail today. This type of thing is spoken about in bbb meetings and contract law. It is bad business and shows how well the creator values his investors and fans.
I have too many games anyway and never played kd:m yet, so selling it to play what I already use makes perfect sense in light of this. I used to buy everything to help support poots too, so not purchasing anymore product is a way of showing his companies support back.
Only thing that as guarenteed to be exclusive were the Adam and Aya models- it was linked/copy pasted last page.
The rest were going to be of unknown availability, but not full retail release. I believe being sold at a convention or for one day out of the year is not a retail release.
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Black Bases and Grey Plastic Forever:My quaint little hobby blog.
40k- The Kumunga Swarm (more)
Count Mortimer’s Private Security Force/Excavation Team  (building)
Kabal of the Grieving Widow (less)
Plus other games- miniature and cardboard both. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 20:01:00
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Sinful Hero wrote: BrookM wrote:HAHAHA, we didn't get any cards with those when we got them. So funny.
They're shipping with the expansion wave aren't they? Wait, which cards are we talking about, and with what miniatures?
For the mini's with the extra ingame content, like she-Link, not-Guts and the Twilight Knight. That's why we got them in the first place, for more game content.
But are they now? Are they going to ship those with wave three? Got a link on that? Or will we be printing it all out ourselves sometime after it all goes up for retail..
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 20:08:22
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Fixture of Dakka
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BrookM wrote: Sinful Hero wrote: BrookM wrote:HAHAHA, we didn't get any cards with those when we got them. So funny.
They're shipping with the expansion wave aren't they? Wait, which cards are we talking about, and with what miniatures?
For the mini's with the extra ingame content, like she-Link, not-Guts and the Twilight Knight. That's why we got them in the first place, for more game content.
But are they now? Are they going to ship those with wave three? Got a link on that? Or will we be printing it all out ourselves sometime after it all goes up for retail..
Last info on the promo rules was in update 96-97, and it appears if you want the hard copy you'll have to pay a shipping fee. So I was wrong on the Wave 3 part. Got my info mixed up.
"Promo Rules & Challenge Scenario's
Challenge Scenarios and promo rules are not included in wave 1 shipping. A PDF will be be sent to Resin Beta Backers this month (for some light testing) and then made available for everyone else in November. Following their actual use, I’d like to add a layer of final polishing (+ more art!) before we make a final print run. The printed final version will be available for free to all Bakcers, however you will have to pay for your nominal shipping label."
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Black Bases and Grey Plastic Forever:My quaint little hobby blog.
40k- The Kumunga Swarm (more)
Count Mortimer’s Private Security Force/Excavation Team  (building)
Kabal of the Grieving Widow (less)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 20:10:19
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Ugh, well, as long as the typos are removed by then I'll pay for it..
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 20:31:36
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Major
In a van down by the river
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455_PWR wrote:No that's not extreme. They were labeled as kickstarter only exclusive. They are being sold at retail today. This type of thing is spoken about in bbb meetings and contract law. It is bad business and shows how well the creator values his investors and fans.
I have too many games anyway and never played kd:m yet, so selling it to play what I already use makes perfect sense in light of this. I used to buy everything to help support poots too, so not purchasing anymore product is a way of showing his companies support back.
As already mentioned, I would encourage you to go back and read the updates; they were always to be of limited availability and not exclusive. It's not a broken contract if that was never in the terms to begin with. While you can argue that you don't feel that Black Friday is "special" enough, it cannot be debated that they were ever intended to be KS exclusives. Certainly a forgivable oversight given the time elapsed, and for your convenience here are the promos with their relevant update and text:
Messenger of Humanity:
Messenger of the First Story:
Kara Black:
Messenger of the Spiral Path:
Messenger of Courage:
Candy and Cola:
As stated on my first post, it stuck in my craw at first to think it would have been cheaper (or the same, were I resinphile) to wait. As I look at the cost changes in the core game though, it's a trade-off that I, personally, am willing to make due to my higher investment in plastics. A Survivor-level game+Pinups and Promos at BF prices would cost $550 to buy today, versus the $425 that I would've spent on the KS. This is discarding the cost of the duplicate monsters and a few other models that came with the Survivor pledge and basically focusing in on the 3 armor kits. Again, there's two expansions in the wings that I wouldn't be shocked to see RRP at $40 and $60 for when they're released. Even with those omissions from the value though, that's a 30% return for two years wait; that is not "nothing" even if 18 models would've been cheaper on a sale day in hindsight.
As I said though, that's my view of the situation owing to my own purchases which I'm just providing as a differing viewpoint. Others, especially people with lots of resin, may justifiably disagree with how the value equation worked out for them and that's their right to do so; in their shoes I may feel a similar level of slight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 23:35:13
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Major
London
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When is the Monster box actually going to be available to buy in the shop in old fashioned "go in and pick it off the shelf" in the UK?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/27 23:52:59
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Never at a guess,
Adam is not keen on distribution (with demands for big discounts from the retailers, potential discounting diluting the boutique brand etc),
(reading between the lines CMON and Full Metal Planet in Japan don't demand the 'normal' levels, the UK used to have an outlet operating on the same line in the form of the now defunct Maelstrom games but now that's gone I doubt we'll get another sadly)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 01:43:05
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Aspirant Tech-Adept
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I thought Sopa Pop and Kingdom Death had an agreement that made promotional figures between their IPs non-limited which would make all the Twilight Knight stuff offered by SPM and Candy & Cola offered through KD, general releases.
Also, as a KD:M backer, I'd really like an artwork pack containing the 6" x 4" prints for the pinups and promos offered during the KS. I've always liked the paper components that come with KD models and would be willing to pay for such an offering.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 07:47:29
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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455_PWR wrote:No that's not extreme. They were labeled as kickstarter only exclusive.
Really? Prove it. Provide a link to where those plastic pinups were KS-only exclusive. I'll wait...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 07:58:01
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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455_PWR wrote:Ridiculous, this is how we are rewarded for our support many years ago.
Wow. Talk about a sense of entitlement. Let's put some ice on that swollen ego and look at the facts. You were rewarded for your support by getting product at a steeply discounted rate. The fact that Poots is continuing to sell that product in his web store has no bearing on the Kickstarter or your participation in it. In fact, the whole point of the Kickstarter was to make a product that he could then sell to people, not to make something only for you.
JohnHwangDD wrote: 455_PWR wrote:No that's not extreme. They were labeled as kickstarter only exclusive.
Really? Prove it. Provide a link to where those plastic pinups were KS-only exclusive. I'll wait...
IIRC the only KS Exclusive items in plastic were "Adam & Anna Explorers of Death!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 09:47:20
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Black Friday deals
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Major
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Never at a guess,
Adam is not keen on distribution (with demands for big discounts from the retailers, potential discounting diluting the boutique brand etc),
(reading between the lines CMON and Full Metal Planet in Japan don't demand the 'normal' levels, the UK used to have an outlet operating on the same line in the form of the now defunct Maelstrom games but now that's gone I doubt we'll get another sadly)
No plans to sell abroad other than through the KD website? I'm out then. It's a hefty enough purchase as it is, without the massive shipping costs that are gonna be involved.
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