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That 250.00 is a pretty good price for the contents. My base box, for example is about 5-10 lbs of basic content alone. (and full of sprues and cards, and just 1 book.)

Game is straightforward, and from there it is a horror show that is never the same game twice.

 Grot 6 wrote:
That 250.00 is a pretty good price for the contents. My base box, for example is about 5-10 lbs of basic content alone. (and full of sprues and cards, and just 1 book.)

Game is straightforward, and from there it is a horror show that is never the same game twice.

$250 is a steal, I paid £350 on eBay for mine and even that was cheaper than buying the game from the store and having it shipped to the UK would have been, so I feel like I had a bargain.

Snebze wrote:

Clanan wrote:
So how fun is the actual game? It's hard to find actual solid feedback on whether it's worth the price, or if this is just an explosion of popularity + minis. It's like an actual meme product.

Very. But if your players expect to 'win', they're not going to like it much. It's all about the journey, and how you can get f****d-over by randomness and your own bad decisions.

A bit like if Dwarf Fortress, Dark Souls, aliens(tm) and Hero Quest had a love-child.

So something like Silver Tower with the randomness factor and you enjoy the journey?

Im not elegant with words to compare Silver Tower to Kingdom Death, but I would say its nothing alike. Kingdom Death is punishing in every phase, and so random, you can spend hours in the settlement phase preparing yourself for whats to come, just to roll during the hunt phase and just die...

Chopxsticks wrote:
Im not elegant with words to compare Silver Tower to Kingdom Death, but I would say its nothing alike. Kingdom Death is punishing in every phase, and so random, you can spend hours in the settlement phase preparing yourself for whats to come, just to roll during the hunt phase and just die...

Sounds like a pretty gakky RND game tbh.

It is.. The other aspects of the game balance it out for me though. I have lost 2 other people who didnt enjoy the unforgiving randomness though.

Yes and no, if you like control it is not the game for you and some of the game mechanics are not my favourite including the bug/ feature of the monsters health.

BUT

Within the context of the game its universe and the scope it wants to deliver all makes perfect sense and are thematic.

TPK is well within the scope of the game and many rules are there to help lessen the impact.

Lets be honest the game is about a community trying to survive in a bleak, horrifying world were they are the bottom of the food-chain and their only source of everything is the things that hunt them.

Yes, things can be random and can lead to total party kill but it only reinforces the feel of surviving against odds that are greater than the individuals.

The game is out to hate feth you every step of the way. The odds are always stacked against the players. The rulebook even goes as far as ruling disputes in favour of the monsters should they arise.

Regardless, it doesnt make it any less frustrating that the game takes MONTHS to complete and everything is designed to kill you. Things are always random, everything you roll on has a slim chance of being positive and a high chance of crippling and slowing down the game. The 1.5 rules look to move focus from individual survivors to the actual settlement teaching them. which is a positive. Going from a progressed survivor to a fresh blank one is probably the worst part of the game imo.

Whenever the character of my brother dies, he takes a new one and has it forcefully adapt the name of his previous character.. that's how well he takes it.

blackfang, I think it has a lot to do with hype, prior limited supply, and limited time early bird deals. As someone who thinks the game is top-notch, this explosion has me fairly baffled, though, with the lack of substantive communication.


Re; everyone who says the game is gonna' kill you, it has a steep learning curve, but my group's been coasting on campaigns for some time. I mean, if we took a stupid risk, it might be risky, but the game is definitely not the definition of horrible odds- things like Pandemic's higher difficulties or Ghost Stories where you're mostly just fighting horrible odds are far more punishing in my opinion.

Welp!

http://fortune.com/2016/11/27/kickstarter-kingdom-death-monster/

And that is 5m passed!

Really like the idea of settlements and struggling to survive, and the imagery seems so evocative.

Another question to knowledgeable players of KD - How essential are the pin ups in the game? Don't get me wrong I'm not a prude and don't care about stuff like that, but thinking of getting people of the fairer sex to play and will probably have an easier time of it without the pneumatics !

By the creators words, none at all.

You could use them as stand ins, but they are not meant for gameplay.

As far as I can tell Pin-Ups are just for display and aren't actually used in the game, unless you want one for a survivor.

From what little I heard of interviews, the KD miniatures, including the pinups, came first, then the KD:M game. That would explain why the first KS funded well. I got the impression that Poots already had a good following before the campaign. Anyone familiar with Poots before he used KS?

A handful of pin-ups may have a gear card or similar promo item that a collector may want, but no other gameplay purpose.

The game itself, however, can be quite graphic. How good/bad that is depends on your friends of the fairer sex there; the one I played the intro scenario with managed to hit the lion, draw the groin hit location and rolled a natural crit. For that specific hit location doing that castrates the lion, gives you a special resource of his removed gonads and makes the lion very, very angry. The next round it decapitated her survivor, and the lion died shortly thereafter. Without delving too much into the story, since a survivor died we had to choose how we treated the dead in our settlement, to which she quite vociferously shouted down one of the options and the campaign could begin.

Little synopsis of the game there; the amount of storytelling that occurs just from playing is quite remarkable.

Monster the board game was the impetus behind Kingdom Death existing - but his ideas for it were too big right out the gate, so he started with the limited resin release figures as both part of the developing concept work and to start getting the brand of Kingdom Death out there. So he had a few years of top notch models and teasing bits of lore and background fueling the first KS.

This KS has the success of the previous and well over a years worth of people'a experience with the game behind it as well as the overall KD brand of amazing and disturbing models.


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I also think it bears repeating that the first KS was one of the very first runaway gaming KS's and a lot of how we expect KS projects to run three or four years on is no doubt in part from other developers having learned from KD's trailblazing. And that first one was lightning in a bottle, to recapture that like he's done here is pretty remarkable.

Also also: the failure to deliver official build guides for the models is IMO the biggest blemish on the first KS.

There was some talk of a game variant / expansion in future where pinups all become named hero characters.
But mostly, they're just fun models to paint - way more fun than the armour kits, which are good if you love customising, but bad if you hate assembling models out of dozens of parts.

KD: Labryinth is the discussed "hero" game, though it wouldn't involve pinups but regular versions of things like the Twilight Knights and White Speakers (the latter not exactly needing a pinup version...).

Alendrel wrote:
KD: Labryinth is the discussed "hero" game, though it wouldn't involve pinups but regular versions of things like the Twilight Knights and White Speakers (the latter not exactly needing a pinup version...).

Well yeah sure, but the existing models of those are currently from the pinup line.

Most aren't pinups - that's how the White Speakers dress in-setting.

 Pacific wrote:
Really like the idea of settlements and struggling to survive, and the imagery seems so evocative.

Another question to knowledgeable players of KD - How essential are the pin ups in the game? Don't get me wrong I'm not a prude and don't care about stuff like that, but thinking of getting people of the fairer sex to play and will probably have an easier time of it without the pneumatics !

With the monster designs, you really think the endowment of the pinups will be the sticking point? Take a look at the Wet Nurse monster- and now imagine explaining that one. Mountains of breasts! This game is so far into nightmare body horror mixed with sexiness that even saying its name in a thread triggers the NSFW alarms.

The core game, minus a few illustrations and that... not favorite... comic, is pretty tame. While KD certainly got a name for itself with NSFW, I think they played it pretty safe in the core.

Wet nurse looks quite logical for its description and not unlike many statues of fertility goddesses of the antiquity.

Not sure why so many people point at that monster so much.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Wet nurse looks quite logical for its description and not unlike many statues of fertility goddesses of the antiquity.

Not sure why so many people point at that monster so much.

Cause they haven't seen the Forge God?

Since I don't know anything about Kickstarter, if I placed an order now, or pledge I think they are called, when would I expect product at my door?

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Davor wrote:
Since I don't know anything about Kickstarter, if I placed an order now, or pledge I think they are called, when would I expect product at my door?

in 4-5 years or so, knowing Poots.