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Hey guys! I could use a bit of help with a debate I am having with my friends. the debate right now is Space Marine vs Jedi(with me saying a space marine could beat a jedi) my points so far are,
-Space marine armour is made of ceramite, which is highly resistant to energy based weapons(like lightsabers)
-A space marine has to undergo decades of training in all different styles of combat before he even becomes a space marine
-a lightsaber could not stop a bolt gun.
-mandalorians are basically elite(though still normal) humans who already give the jedi enough trouble[and would make prime candidates for the Space Marines)
the other side of the argument is
-the force would allow the jedi to outmanouver a space marine
-the force is everywhere and a jedi can draw on it and tap an endless supply of power to use it.
-basically... the force.

I figured i'd get alot of help here from people who know the 40k universe and know whats canon.
I appreciate any help that you all can give me! I'm slowly getting into warhammer 40k and its my hope i can make it a new hobby!

Comparing two entirely differant settings is always a waste of your time.

Veldrain wrote:
Comparing two entirely differant settings is always a waste of your time.

Agreed, although if you really feel the need to do it then a quick Google search will provide pages and pages of fanboys from either side getting in increasingly heated arguments over it.

It'd be a good fight but the Space Marine would probably win unless the Jedi was a Master.

Even then the Space Marine would probably win if it was a Librarian.

The problem that's always faced with these type of debates is whose rules do you use? The rules of the SW universe or the rules of the 40k universe?

I remember having a debate about who'd win out of Goku from Dragonball Z and Yoda.... it got nowhere.

Tiberius Atellus wrote:
Hey guys! I could use a bit of help with a debate I am having with my friends. the debate right now is Space Marine vs Jedi(with me saying a space marine could beat a jedi) my points so far are,
-Space marine armour is made of ceramite, which is highly resistant to energy based weapons(like lightsabers)
-A space marine has to undergo decades of training in all different styles of combat before he even becomes a space marine
-a lightsaber could not stop a bolt gun.
-mandalorians are basically elite(though still normal) humans who already give the jedi enough trouble[and would make prime candidates for the Space Marines)
the other side of the argument is
-the force would allow the jedi to outmanouver a space marine
-the force is everywhere and a jedi can draw on it and tap an endless supply of power to use it.
-basically... the force.

I figured i'd get alot of help here from people who know the 40k universe and know whats canon.
I appreciate any help that you all can give me! I'm slowly getting into warhammer 40k and its my hope i can make it a new hobby!

- No its not that powerful. Its like every piece of armor except there is more of it and its stronger. A lightsaber will cut through it like a Plasma Weapon cuts through it.
- As a scout yes he has seen combat. Has he seen combat before being a scout? no. By the time he is a Space Marine, he has seen more combat than an average guardsman
- It kind of can. Its not going to deflect the bolt but the heat of it will actually destroy the shell.
- Yes Mandalorians would make perfect Space Marine candidates
- A Jedi can use the force to help speed their reaction times and movement ability so it is possible for a Space Marine to outmanouver a Space Marine DEPENDING on the SM's source material we are using
- The Force is endless, the mental power of a Jedi is not, he will eventually tire out if he is using it straight. However a quick breather will allow him to recover. Think of the force like oxygen, a Jedi isnt going to run out of oxygen but he may run out of breath and he will need time to catch a breather


I hope that helps

So far we were just using an average jedi versus an average space marine. To be completely honest I dont think the idea of what universe this was taking place in ever came up @.@


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Galdos, yes! that does help very much. I really do like the analogy of the force/oxygen thank you!

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force.

In other words, they're incompatible and there's no point on comparing them anyways.

it all depends on who is the main character of the story.


40k has very inconsistent fluff, where some space marines are unstoppable juggernauts scything down hundreds of "regular" soldiers and taking on the biggest baddies that the universe has to offer.
Some of the space marine characters are depicted as facing down Avatars of Khaine, Greater Daemons, and giant Tyranid monsters.

When the space marines are not the main characters or are even the bad guys, they are still formidable opponents, but will still die to some focus fire from some guardsmen.

It just so happens that even Jedi Masters tend to die from focused fire, lol.

Average Jedi and Space Marine? IMO the Marine would get out a salvo of bolter fire first, which the saber can't effectively deflect.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Average Jedi and Space Marine? IMO the Marine would get out a salvo of bolter fire first, which the saber can't effectively deflect.

Then again, if the Jedi picks up on the intent to attack he might be able to attack first. It all depends on who the heroes of the story are, who is attacking and what level of preparations they've been able to attempt. Mandalorian warriors have taken down Jedi, the Clone Troopers did - but they usually have surprise and a lot of preparations. Space Marines with their head-on tactics might surprise Jedi too, but if they don't they don't really have much of a Plan B.

The settings and premises of the two forces are pretty different too. Jedi are usually alone or with a trainee, infiltrating, negotiating, investigating and so on. I'd actually compare Jedi Knights/Masters to a 40K Inquisitor in what sort of things they usually do. They are powerful individuals but they don't usually go frontal assault on armies alone. Space Marines are elite infantry operating in groups of at least five men. They're not sent out to take down one man, no matter how dangerous. They break enemy headquarters, spearhead planetary assaults and board space ships. Ofc, if a Jedi was the enemy CO a marine force might drop pod in to try taking him out - but then the Jedi would have bodyguards and support nearby.

edit: and ofc the Force - even the average Jedi could be compared to some minor 40K psyker. Powers range from utilities to powerful defenses and offenses depending on his particular gifts. The famous Jedi Mind Trick would sure come in handy vs a marine. "I'm not the target you're looking for, in fact I'm just a shrubbery."

The correct answer is decided by the answer to the question: "What kind of forum are you posting the question on?"

If the answer is "40K", then your answer is "Space Marine wins."

If the answer is "Star Wars", then your answer is "Jedi wins."

Otherwise, there is no correct answer to this question, as these are entirely fictional, and incompatible, settings.

That's entirely a cop-out answer IMHO, you can look at the capabilities of the two and make a comparison.

In melee combat, the average Jedi would probably win, due mostly to the lightsaber, which should be capable of puncturing powered armour (But IMO not easily).

But if the fight starts at a distance, the Space Marine firing on full-auto would overwhelm the Jedi.

I guess that is what it mostly comes down to, circumstances, if the fight starts in melee, probably Jedi. If the fight starts at range with the Marine able to fire his bolter, Marine.

Someone just needs to post the pic of a power sword vs a lightsaber.

So youre basically compairing a space marine captain/veteran to an IG psycher with a power weapon..... IMHO marine will win every time.

You know, because I didnt answer before, Im going to put my money on the Jedi actually. I wont go into detail though, I wont be sticking around in this topic. Just stating my opinion

Well, I imagine the fight would look like this.



Are we talking about a standard marine, or any marine? Because a jedi can throw people, but a space marine librarian can shoot lighting out of his eyes.

.... pretty sure the Jedi could use the force to send the bolt gun's bullet's back at the space marine.

willhman wrote:
.... pretty sure the Jedi could use the force to send the bolt gun's bullet's back at the space marine.

Depends; going by the movies, no, bullets have way too much momentum. Now, if stuff like the force unleashed counts, then yes. If Darth Vader can pull down a star destroyer, then he can moves bullets.

The average Jedi isn't nearly that capable.

Vader is one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history.

If we're using guys like him, it is only fair to use their equivelants, like Mephiston or Draigo, lol.

Standard marines cannot use power sword so it would have to be a vet at the least.

 RIGLER705 wrote:
Standard marines cannot use power sword so it would have to be a vet at the least.

Not having regular access to a weapon and being unable to use it are two very different things.

Vegeta would own them both

The average jedi would hand the average space marine his ass 9/10 times, regardless of what distance they start at or what the circumstances are.

I have no idea where the notion that a Jedi can't reliably "deflect" a bolt round comes from. You don't need to deflect the shot when the bolt round would literally melt the very instant it hit the lightsaber blade.

Being able to fire on full-auto is irrelevant when shooting at at target that can near-instantly travel dozens of meters, as seen at ten seconds in here. A Jedi would be up in an Astartes face before he could blink.

That aside, a Space Marine has absolutely zero defense against the force unless he is a psyker. There's nothing stopping a Jedi from casually lifting a Marine into the air, then throwing his lightsaber at him, or just walking up to him and slicing him in half.

Threads like this ruin my suspension of disbelief.


I want to believe that liking this hobby isn't that nerdy. :(

 Pilau Rice wrote:
Vegeta would own them both

Dammit, you beat me to it

I always enjoy these kind of debates although they are a bit pointless/undecidable.

My favourite one is still Goku vs Monkey D. Luffy.

Also I'd put my money on the Marine, the only exception being if it were a jedi master, however in a straight up standard jedi vs standard space marine fight the marine would win 9/10 times I'd think.

 Rysaer wrote:

My favourite one is still Goku vs Monkey D. Luffy.

Luffy is cool and everything but Goku's in a different league ...

Vader would rape the whole 40k universe, then he would left Tzeench drooling in p duel....

But it would be interesting to see battle barge vs star destroyer duel....

I don't really mind who wins - the jedi or the marines. Because Eldrad caused the conflict to distract them anyway.

To those saying bolter shells would melt against a lightsaber - don't forget each bolter shell is essentially a self propelled missile.
Heat would probably make them explode. Force powers would flick them away, but I don't fancy the idea of deflecting melting explosives.

And Vader is also Alpharius.

Veldrain wrote:Comparing two entirely differant settings is always a waste of your time.

^ This. Both Jedi as well as Space Marines are the major protagonists of their respective setting. Depending on who writes the story, they can be incredibly Mary-Sue. The whole idea of a debate concerning a direct comparison reminds me of the "Marvel Silver Surfer vs Kirby Silver Surfer" scene from Crimson Tide.

But I will add this:

Tiberius Atellus wrote:-Space marine armour is made of ceramite, which is highly resistant to energy based weapons(like lightsabers)

Space Marine armour cannot even provide full protection against Imperial Guard lasguns (going by GW Codex fluff and the rules in the Inquisitor RPG), let alone Star Wars lightsabers - which are actually plasma weapons if you read their description.

 DarthMarko wrote:

But it would be interesting to see battle barge vs star destroyer duel....

Just saying 40K's scale is really wacky so it's a bit harsh to throw up that comparison

As the image shows a Star Destroyer is roughly the same size as a Cobra class Frigate, nad Battle Barges are closer to the capital class IN ship at the top.