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 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
3 to 6 months? WTF?

I like in New Jersey in a town that doesn't have it's own police force. This meens that I need to go through the State Police for permits and things... They take forever...

I've already got a firearms ID card, which lets me buy long guns in the state but ever time I buy a pistol I need to apply for a new pistol permit...

I own alot of long guns but I looking to pickup my first (non- .22 revolver) pistol and I've got no real idea what I want.

Wow thats crazy. Christie is off my list for potential candidates.

To the topic: what is the use for? DO you have a local range that rents guns? If not can you go to a civilized state like Virginia and rent some pistols to try out?
This will save you much pain and effort.
Have you shot pistol before?

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 mega_bassist wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Ok... good info. New Jersey is now off my list of states to ever live in.

Much truth. Hell, even Illinois isn't that bad. Albeit, it took me 3-4 months to get my FOID before I could even handle a firearm in a store

If you live in a town that has it's own police force it's not that bad, their pretty quick and if you catch someone on a good day you can get the permit almost right away. The real problems start when you need to go through the state police.

Why not your county sheriff?

 Frazzled wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
3 to 6 months? WTF?

I like in New Jersey in a town that doesn't have it's own police force. This meens that I need to go through the State Police for permits and things... They take forever...

I've already got a firearms ID card, which lets me buy long guns in the state but ever time I buy a pistol I need to apply for a new pistol permit...

I own alot of long guns but I looking to pickup my first (non- .22 revolver) pistol and I've got no real idea what I want.

Wow thats crazy. Christie is off my list for potential candidates.

To the topic: what is the use for? DO you have a local range that rents guns? If not can you go to a civilized state like Virginia and rent some pistols to try out?
This will save you much pain and effort.
Have you shot pistol before?

Gun laws in NJ have been screwy long before Christie came to be... He's actually been pretty good about threatening to veto new gun laws that cross his desk.

I'm just looking for something thats fun to shoot. I've shot guns since I was a little little kid but it's pretty much been limited to long guns and black powder pistols. I was given a .22 cal pistol that I shoot at my house and I shot my dads Glock that fired 357 SIG.

There are ranges around me that rent guns but I'm not really a big fan. I've tried them before and the stuff they rent is crap.


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 djones520 wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 mega_bassist wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Ok... good info. New Jersey is now off my list of states to ever live in.

Much truth. Hell, even Illinois isn't that bad. Albeit, it took me 3-4 months to get my FOID before I could even handle a firearm in a store

If you live in a town that has it's own police force it's not that bad, their pretty quick and if you catch someone on a good day you can get the permit almost right away. The real problems start when you need to go through the state police.

Why not your county sheriff?

County Sherrif isn't the one that handels that around me. In NJ the Sherrif deals with the courts, everything else falls to either local police or the state police.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.

Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.

Any feedback on this? I've never really done dangerous game or large game, so am I off base here?


Also Caty is from a state that literally sounds like a living hell to me. I can't wait to get away from the East Coast again >.>;

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.

Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.

Any feedback on this? I've never really done dangerous game or large game, so am I off base here?


Also Caty is from a state that literally sounds like a living hell to me. I can't wait to get away from the East Coast again >.>;

I make alot more money here then I would anywhere else in the country...

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.

Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.

Any feedback on this? I've never really done dangerous game or large game, so am I off base here?

A .456? Unless your planning on hunting Elephant, your talking overkill. I'd stick to the .300 calibers myself.

Jebus. I be locked up in New jersey in a New York minute if they (LEO) see my collection

 djones520 wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.

Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.

Any feedback on this? I've never really done dangerous game or large game, so am I off base here?

A .456? Unless your planning on hunting Elephant, your talking overkill. I'd stick to the .300 calibers myself.

Dragons mate.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.

Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.

Any feedback on this? I've never really done dangerous game or large game, so am I off base here?

A .456? Unless your planning on hunting Elephant, your talking overkill. I'd stick to the .300 calibers myself.

Dragons mate.

If your not planning on using it for actual hunting purposes, have at it. There is nothing in N. America I'd use that bullet on though. Only a few things in Africa that I would.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.

Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.

Any feedback on this? I've never really done dangerous game or large game, so am I off base here?

A .456? Unless your planning on hunting Elephant, your talking overkill. I'd stick to the .300 calibers myself.

Dragons mate.

There's a man who took that whole Tremors movie to heart.

 djones520 wrote:

 mega_bassist wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Ok... good info. New Jersey is now off my list of states to ever live in.

Much truth. Hell, even Illinois isn't that bad. Albeit, it took me 3-4 months to get my FOID before I could even handle a firearm in a store

Illinois just has that 3 day waiting period, that is really a 4 day period. Which was still annoying as hell. I love it here in Tennessee/Kentucky. I go right to the Post Exchange, hand them cash, and they hand me a gun. Just like back home in Michigan.

Yeah, it's a 3-day wait after you buy it. I meant getting the FOID card itself takes forever.

Took me 6 months to get mine. I legally didn't need it to have my firearms since I am still a Michigan resident, but unless I wanted to drive to Missouri to buy ammo, I had to get it.

Nothing I enjoy more then waiting 6 months for a state to tell me I can bear arms. *rolls eyes*

 djones520 wrote:

 mega_bassist wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Ok... good info. New Jersey is now off my list of states to ever live in.

Much truth. Hell, even Illinois isn't that bad. Albeit, it took me 3-4 months to get my FOID before I could even handle a firearm in a store

Illinois just has that 3 day waiting period, that is really a 4 day period. Which was still annoying as hell. I love it here in Tennessee/Kentucky. I go right to the Post Exchange, hand them cash, and they hand me a gun. Just like back home in Michigan.

around here,

You need not only your wifes permission to apply for the license,

you need your EX wifes permission, and two or three other referances

then 3-6 months later you might get your license, if you pass the BG check, and the fed police interview.

then when you do get your license, youll wait 1-2 weeks for them to approve the transfer, then maybe a week for them to mail you the registration.

theres also a hotline you can call, report any icensed gun owner by name, and have the cops inspect their home warrant free...

oh and the license costs about 70 bucks, the courses about 300 each (need two for pistols and AR's)

Canada amazes me. You guys have mooses and grizzly bears all over the damn place up there, and it's probably easier to win the lottery then get a gun.

 djones520 wrote:
Canada amazes me. You guys have mooses and grizzly bears all over the damn place up there, and it's probably easier to win the lottery then get a gun.

yeah... luckily I had authorization for top secret stuff on my permanent record, my application went fairly smoothly,

its freaking stupid though, we cant carry AR's or pistols in the bush to hunt with , or for animal defence,

despite all that, ~20,000 peoples lifes are still saved from animals each year...

a fact that routinely gets ignored by anti gun types who refuse to acknowledge any benifit to having people own guns :(

 easysauce wrote:

a fact that routinely gets ignored by anti gun types who refuse to acknowledge any benifit to having people own guns :(

I would almost call it a fact that all anti-gun types are what we'd call "city slickers", the suburban soccer mom type who's most fierce danger is backing out of her parking space at the grocery store with 3 kids in the back seat... As such, most people who have never, or will never live and contend with the natural forces that people who do have to deal with them don't understand the concept. It's so foreign to them, that it is not a legitimate defense.

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Just finished filling out the paperwork to get a permit to purchase a handgun... In 3 to 6 months I'll actually be able to buy one... I'm thinking about purchasing a 1911, and recommended brans?

People seem to really like the Rock Island models a lot and they seem to deliver a lot of value for the money for a entry level 1911.

That being said, you have to go to a range that rents and try out a few. I had a list of things I wanted to buy, starting with 4 or 5 guns in .40, then a couple of different 1911s, and eventually I wound up getting a Taurus 1911 which was not on the list, which I had not considered just because it felt much more natural and comfortable in my hand then the others I had shot, barring a nice Les Baer that was far outside of my price range. The RIA just didn't feel quite right to me, but they seem to be good guns.

Note I'm not recommending Taurus. I have one, I like it a lot, and I've never really had a problem, but you either seem to get a great one or a lousy one, and their customer service is pretty poor if it's the latter... they're very inconsistent.

I'm finding these waiting periods really amusing, by the way. In Iowa if you plan things carefully, you can go from start to legal pistol in hand with concealed carry permit in about 2 or 3 hours, depending on driving time.

 Frazzled wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.

Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.

Any feedback on this? I've never really done dangerous game or large game, so am I off base here?

A .456? Unless your planning on hunting Elephant, your talking overkill. I'd stick to the .300 calibers myself.

Dragons mate.

There's a man who took that whole Tremors movie to heart.

I fething love those movies. No shame.





and I'd totally use this rifle for one round put downs on Kodiaks, Alaskan Grizz and Moose. I don't feth around with moose, them fethers are scary when they're pissed.


In other news I will personally vouch for the RIA 1911 family, I trust one with my life every day and will continue to do so. Easily the best $350 I've ever spent, It's held up to torture tests using the nastiest soviet steel core ammo I could find and has chewed through it like a champ without a gripe. In my several thousand rounds fired I have had ONE failure and that was a stove pipe. I'll happily blame the ammo on that one. it was gakky ruskie steel case after all.

I'd prefer something made in 'Merca!

If you don't mind spending the cash get a Colt.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

a fact that routinely gets ignored by anti gun types who refuse to acknowledge any benifit to having people own guns :(

I would almost call it a fact that all anti-gun types are what we'd call "city slickers", the suburban soccer mom type who's most fierce danger is backing out of her parking space at the grocery store with 3 kids in the back seat... As such, most people who have never, or will never live and contend with the natural forces that people who do have to deal with them don't understand the concept. It's so foreign to them, that it is not a legitimate defense.

Like Shannon Watts. It's funny how most of these sorts of activists only care when the middle class or middle-America suffers, damn the rest of the population


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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Also Caty is from a state that literally sounds like a living hell to me. I can't wait to get away from the East Coast again >.>;

California and New Jersey (with Connecticut coming a close third) are places that I hope never to set foot in

I think it's a little overdramatic to decide you can't set foot in a state because of their gun laws. I've been to states with tight gun laws that were pretty awesome, and at least one state with some of the loosest gun laws in the country that completely sucked ass in nearly every imaginable respect. I can understand not wanting to live someplace with onerous regulation, but, I mean, unless you're, like, on the run from the mafia, it's more than a little weird to make that the deciding factor for even visiting.

 Ouze wrote:
I think it's a little overdramatic to decide you can't set foot in a state because of their gun laws. I've been to states with tight gun laws that were pretty awesome, and at least one state with some of the loosest gun laws in the country that completely sucked ass in nearly every imaginable respect. I can understand not wanting to live someplace with onerous regulation, but, I mean, unless you're, like, on the run from the mafia, it's more than a little weird to make that the deciding factor for even visiting.

Well, one of the worse off states as far as gun control and being an unholy gak hole is Maryland... Damn near the only thing that could get me in there is Baltimore, and only because I want to do the Baseball Pilgrimage before I die... But Camden Yards is in Baltimore, a city where it would be all to easy to be caught DWW, and they have slowed gun laws, so I would be able to do nothing about it.

So Frazz's reference has me rewatching the Tremors TV show.

 Ouze wrote:
I think it's a little overdramatic to decide you can't set foot in a state because of their gun laws. I've been to states with tight gun laws that were pretty awesome, and at least one state with some of the loosest gun laws in the country that completely sucked ass in nearly every imaginable respect. I can understand not wanting to live someplace with onerous regulation, but, I mean, unless you're, like, on the run from the mafia, it's more than a little weird to make that the deciding factor for even visiting.

There is a difference between "can't set foot in", and hoping not to set foot in. Conflating the too is a little overdramatic.

My reasons for not wanting to visit California are many. The majority of my personal encounters with people from that State have turned me off it

 Ouze wrote:
I think it's a little overdramatic to decide you can't set foot in a state because of their gun laws. I've been to states with tight gun laws that were pretty awesome, and at least one state with some of the loosest gun laws in the country that completely sucked ass in nearly every imaginable respect. I can understand not wanting to live someplace with onerous regulation, but, I mean, unless you're, like, on the run from the mafia, it's more than a little weird to make that the deciding factor for even visiting.

I have lots of reasons not to go to New Jersey.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I think it's a little overdramatic to decide you can't set foot in a state because of their gun laws. I've been to states with tight gun laws that were pretty awesome, and at least one state with some of the loosest gun laws in the country that completely sucked ass in nearly every imaginable respect. I can understand not wanting to live someplace with onerous regulation, but, I mean, unless you're, like, on the run from the mafia, it's more than a little weird to make that the deciding factor for even visiting.

I have lots of reasons not to go to New Jersey.

Amen to that.

Oh god... an importer juuuust started bringing tannerite into this country... finally.

Time for some canuckle head cowboy action, just have to fake a bad canadian accent and Ill be bigger then FPS russia no doot aboot eet EH!

 Frazzled wrote:
I have lots of reasons not to go to New Jersey.

Well, as a former New Yorker who would occasionally go to Jersey for various things, that's a fair rap.

Its the accent. It literally goes up my spine and makes me want to march of Washington or fire on a fort or something.

But hey I grew up when "damnyankee" was the official term for Northerners.
It doesn't help that you have no concept of barbeque of quality Mexican food. How the hell does one live without Mexican food. Its...inhuman.