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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:


Kimbers have very nice finishes to them no doubt. We've been impressed with the quality coming out of Turkey and the Philippines, especially in regards to 1911 models. Colt's 1911s lately leave alot to be desired. Remington also has been putting out some nice pistols.

My Rock Island 1911A1 is a Philippines build, got that badboy for $320, she's taken all the abuse I can throw at her, including a thousand rounds of nasty steel case as a torture test. That's my carry gun. I still absolutely stake my life on that weapon no problem.

What's funny to me is how Rock Island seems to be... I know a lot of guys (myself included) who see the price tag and walk away. A friend of mine took a gamble on one, and his is about the same. A guy at the same gun club we used to be in (my buddy still is a member, but I've since moved away) had a RI 1911 that was about as useful as a paperclip in a gunfight... Not worth the metal used to make the damn thing.

And the "funny" to me is that there seems to be no real middle ground there... ALL Rock Islands are either REALLY REALLY good, or they are REALLY REALLY bad.

My own 1911 is a Remington, and I've had zero problems with it, so I can vouch for the quality of at least my own experiences.

I've never heard anyone say anything bad about Rock Island...ever.

+1...when I think 1911 problems, first company that comes to mind is Kimber.

A buddy of mine was having FTFs every other round with his new RIA...we asked him to bring over the pistol that night. Turns out the dolt at the gun store had sold him .45 GAP instead of .45 ACP.

Nuggz, thank you for posting that picture for me.

Regarding the .50, yes it is a novelty item. That's all.

Regarding Kimber .45, breaking it in is no problem as I intend to carry whichever gun I have the most range time with.. I am not a pro, but I am proficient enough.

I'm crazy, but I like the Remington Rand 1911. It's an antique, but I keep it well maintained,.

remington has never let me down either, not sure why (or even if) they have a bad rep, I bought their cheapest model 700 series rifle, and its accurate, durable, reliable, and everything I want... for like 250$ canadian too...

when I think of bad brand names,
it think: para ordnance, kimber, kel tech, DPMS,

ironically, norinco used to be on that list, till I actually bought one of the newer AR's... ended up being the most reliable AR-15 I ever had... I call it the AK of AR's, shoots damn well too.

BaronIveagh wrote:I'm crazy, but I like the Remington Rand 1911. It's an antique, but I keep it well maintained,.

Got two of them, great shooting WWII Vintage 1911A1's

easysauce wrote:remington has never let me down either

Got an 870 and a 700 SPS, both shoot reliably, but Remington-Rand pistols weren't made by Remington Firearms.

 Stormrider wrote:
but Remington-Rand pistols weren't made by Remington Firearms.

Actually Remington-Rand was an offshoot of Remington Arms that spun off into it's own company in 1927 under James Rand (jr). Vacuum tubes, razors, typewriters, and 1911s. Currently owned by Spectrum Brands (formerly Ray-o-vac). They were the proud sponsors of the shortest lived team Franchise in NFL history, the Tonawonda Kardex, who managed a single NFL game, which they lost, before the Franchise folded.

Shot a couple of new pistols today at the range...

A SAR B6P, which I expected to dislike, and absolutely loved. It's a poly-frame CZ-style pistol produced in Turkey. They sell for under $300. The lack of a decocker (thank heavens) allows you to carry it cocked and locked, or DA/SA. The DA trigger was pretty bad, like all DA triggers, but the SA trigger was fantastic. For the budget-minded, this thing performed great.

And a Browning Hi-Power, which I expected to like, and absolutely hated. Hammer bite just from racking the slide? Check. Bleeding after one magazine? Check. Not sure how people shoot these guns. The owner suggested I use a lower (i.e., inferior) grip, but I'm not going to change my grip to shoot one antiquated pistol. Guess I'll have to cross this one off the "buy" list.

I've been considering one of the Springfield M1A Loaded's with this years tax return. Have any of ya'll had any experience with them for target shooting?

If you count Minecraft GTA i have a Kalashnikov AK 47, a Uzi Submachine gun, and a Maxim Machine Gun that is in a turret (duh).

 cincydooley wrote:
I've been considering one of the Springfield M1A Loaded's with this years tax return. Have any of ya'll had any experience with them for target shooting?

While I have not shot a loaded version on it, I have shot a good old wood version. I think I fired maybe 3 rounds through it, and it has been on my list to buy ever since.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

A SAR B6P, which I expected to dislike, and absolutely loved. It's a poly-frame CZ-style pistol produced in Turkey. They sell for under $300. The lack of a decocker (thank heavens) allows you to carry it cocked and locked, or DA/SA. The DA trigger was pretty bad, like all DA triggers, but the SA trigger was fantastic. For the budget-minded, this thing performed great.

Turkey are making some really good quality budget guns nowadays. Not that long ago Turkish guns were mostly rubbish. They were cheap, but you could tell. Now they are becoming a serious player in the budget market. I would never want a Turkish air rifle for HFT/target work (fine for plinking, but they will never get close to my Air Arms on an HFT course) but I am seriously considering a Revo O/U 12G for pigeon and foxes.

Talking of which, does anyone have experience of Brattonsound Auto Sentinel gun safes?

 cincydooley wrote:
I've been considering one of the Springfield M1A Loaded's with this years tax return. Have any of ya'll had any experience with them for target shooting?

I've heard a lot regarding M1A's from Springfield both good and bad. Some people swear by them, others can't seem to ever get them to work as advertised and appear to have loads of problems.

Personally, I've shot one once, for the 15 rounds I put through it, it seemed to shoot just fine and was more accurate than I was.

Just noticed this...

 e.earnshaw wrote:
As fire arms are restricted in the uk for good reason, and i personaly think that its a stupid idea to have them any where near children or in your home. But tools that can be used as wepons in times of self defence are fine. Which is why i have a moderate collection of axes I use them as tools and for fun throwing them at targets. But weapons that are made to kill only and kill humans shouldent be allowed. Hunting well thats fine as long as its hunting rifels and in hunting grounds, you go kill a animal and leave your weapon in a locker when you leave. That is my opion and if you disagree thats fine as long as you have a valid reason.

I suspect you haven't thought this through very well. We have a very different view in the UK to the US on guns. Almost any firearms owner in the UK would want nothing to do with self defense with weapons as there primary reason for ownership, be that a gun or an axe. A throwing axe is no different to a hand gun. It has no other reason than to kill. Throwing axes are no good for chopping wood, and I would not want to throw a log splitting maul.

In the UK firearms have to be stored in a gun safe. That safe must meet set standards in construction and installation. You must have a license to have those guns. And storing them at the hunting grounds? Are you suggesting we install lockers in random fields? Most hinting in the UK is done on farms. Hunting of rabbits, foxes, rats and pigeon, along with shooting of grouse, pheasant and partridge. These can be on all sorts of land, not just some sort of "hunting ground". If anyone in the UK is letting their children near guns unsupervised they are going to be in deep trouble and have done something very wrong. I would have far rather let my children in the home of a gun owner than someone with a collection of axes.

In the UK most of the difference is down to culture, not legality. For shotguns the only diffrence I can see to the US system of background checks is the requirement to have a gunsafe.We have lest restrictive rules on low power air rifles than some parts of the US as far as I can tell. Most rifles we have a little more restrictive rules, but the main difference seems to be that you have to give a good reason to want a gun in the UK, and the background checks are about the same. But if everyone suddenly wanted to own a gun on the US scale they could, because the "good reason" is not a major issue, you just have to be a member of a gun club and shoot with them on a regular basis (regular is not defined. I know of some people who shoot .50 cal+ that only shoot once a year, due to the cost of the rounds, with the club that does that, yet they get to keep them). Some things are very restricted, or we just can't have at all. But he same is true of the US. In the UK if you want a moderator on an air rifle you can go out and buy one, if you want one on a rifle you have to have it added to your license, but the chances of them refusing are zero, where as in some parts of the US they are completely baned. If you want to shoot over 50 cal in the US, tough luck. In the UK, no problem. Just the same as any other rifle, you just need to be a member of a club that allows use of large cal center fire rifles.

Access to guns is not as different as people think, what is different, is the culture surrounding guns. Partly down to attitudes, partly down to accessibility of hunting lands, partly down to politics.

Can you have pump shotguns there or just double barrels?

Haha...I love this picture.

 Frazzled wrote:
Can you have pump shotguns there or just double barrels?

Under a shotgun licence you can have a pump action with 2+1, with a firearms licence anything you want. Pump action tends to be uncommon in any form though. People prefer a traditional look more, and pumps are normaly only used for practical shotgun. Some like them for pest control, but even plastic or camo stock O/U is unusual next to some form of wooden stock O/U or SXS.

So in KM news I formally got brought on as a staff writer for a gun blog. Albeit none of us get paid including the boss, but it's a feather for the cap I suppose.

good deal.

I love gun room pictures, but I'm always like - "Where are the magazines? Need more magazines!".

 KiloFiX wrote:
I love gun room pictures, but I'm always like - "Where are the magazines? Need more magazines!".

Piss on that, just grab another rifle and go to town.

PS90 - Wife's home defense gun. 50 rounds minimizes the need to reload, 5.7mm is easy to handle.



Backpack gun.

 KiloFiX wrote:
PS90 - Wife's home defense gun. 50 rounds minimizes the need to reload, 5.7mm is easy to handle.



Backpack gun.

for some reason if i remember right the 5.7 round is banned in the united states they are considered "cop killer" rounds as they go through kevlar like a hot knife through butter, but i may be wrong its been awhile since i got out of the law field

The AP 5.7mm is restricted but there are 'sporting' 5.7mm that are not. Hard to see in the picture but the rounds we have are blue tipped sporting.

Edit - also, lots of things go through Kevlar anyway. The AP 5.7mm is not some magic round anyway.

 KiloFiX wrote:
The AP 5.7mm is restricted but there are 'sporting' 5.7mm that are not. Hard to see in the picture but the rounds we have are blue tipped sporting.

Edit - also, lots of things go through Kevlar anyway. The AP 5.7mm is not some magic round anyway.

right lol, the 5.7 has attention but a 50 cal barret used for "large game" can punch through a cast iron engine block..i prefer a 12 gauge for home defense, saves time aiming and insures the threat is eliminated, so no lawsuit

Crimson Heretic wrote:
for some reason if i remember right the 5.7 round is banned in the united states they are considered "cop killer" rounds as they go through kevlar like a hot knife through butter, but i may be wrong its been awhile since i got out of the law field

Nope, not banned in the US, at least not in the Free States. As a matter of fact, AE/Federal make and sell some...

they are "banned" in both the USA and up here,

but they make a sporting version in the blue box that is legal.

ill leave it to someone else to comment on the specific differences between the banned 5.7 and the allowed 5.7, at one point I knew, but the cost of the legal ammo is redonkulous and put the kibosh on any plans I had to grab a P90.


tokarev rounds also defeat most body armour designed to stop pistol rounds, those rounds are legal up here, not sure about in the states.

Let's keep the banned ammo discussion to the other thread, please?

thats a totally different type of ammo breotan in that other thread, totally different topic...

when talking about P90s people own, or dont own, that the cost of ammo is prohibitive due to reg's is pretty on topic.



now, back OT,

this has been tempting me as of late, im pretty old school with shotguns, and Id feel pretty stupid if all that reloading practice went to waste, but damn, these look nice.