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I don't own any handguns as of yet. I'd only really get them for personal defense, and living in Illinois I can't get a CCW just yet (maybe later this year they'll finally allow it), but I plan on buying a .45 ACP eventually, not sure yet exactly what brand. My supervisor owns The Judge for personal defense, and he's got me eyeing that as well. That is a nasty gun.
Out of curiosity why are you interested in getting the .45acp? Honestly all handgun calibers perform nearly the same, I'd recommend a 9mm for personal defense more rounds, less recoil.
Because... to quote a Colion Noir video: 9mm may kill your body, but .45 will kill your soul.
That said, I have both a .380 and a .45 and I like each of them for different reasons... though that may be more down to the firearm than the round itself. I just never have fired a 9mm that I actually liked shooting.
Yeah when I saw that video the first time I had to pause the video and collect myself. I busted up laughing at that one
Vaktathi wrote:That'll be $27,000, plus a $200 tax stamp, and I hope you live in an NFA-allowed state
I don't live in a state at all (it's complicated, check my location). But I do business mostly in PA, which is.
Well, technically PA is a Commonwealth, not a State. But "The United States, and a couple Commonwealths, and some Territories, of America" doesn't sound as good.
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OC bill was just passed by the House. Now sent back to be reconciled with the Senate version. Senate already previously passed its version. Governor has said he will sign it when it gets to his desk.
OC bill was just passed by the House. Now sent back to be reconciled with the Senate version. Senate already previously passed its version. Governor has said he will sign it when it gets to his desk.
The Germans commonly converted them to 9mm during WW2.
So much for the Aryan superiority complex.
It was pretty common for the Germans to use lots of soviet weapons. They captured a millions of pieces of equipment from SMGs to artillery and tanks, makes sense to use them to supplement what you've already got rather than just leave it to sit around.
Vaktathi wrote:That'll be $27,000, plus a $200 tax stamp, and I hope you live in an NFA-allowed state
I don't live in a state at all (it's complicated, check my location). But I do business mostly in PA, which is.
Yeah I have no idea how firearms laws works with something like that
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Vaktathi wrote:That'll be $27,000, plus a $200 tax stamp, and I hope you live in an NFA-allowed state
I don't live in a state at all (it's complicated, check my location). But I do business mostly in PA, which is.
Alex C wrote:Also a caliber conversion if you want it in 9mm.
Ruberu wrote:If I could find a PPSH, that baby would stay in 7.62x25 .
The Germans commonly converted them to 9mm during WW2.
German captured piles of PPSHs and loved them because of the 71 round drums. They converted them to 9mm because it was easier than trying to stock pile and equip soldiers with an enemy round, they designated them the MP41. I honestly thought they left them in 7.62 Tok so thanks for the history lessen Baronlveagh .
However I would still rather it in 7.62x25, that round is a lot of fun to shoot especially if you get the 4 dot SMG rounds, those buggers are little flash bangs!
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OC bill was just passed by the House. Now sent back to be reconciled with the Senate version. Senate already previously passed its version. Governor has said he will sign it when it gets to his desk.
Awesome, that's great news for you guys!
No its not. Now these scumbags are going to walk around and every tom dick and harry store is going to put up .30-06 and .30-07 signs stopping good old fashioned CHLs too. I could be wrong, but we'll see.
Meanwhile legislation that would actually help CHLs have been shelved. I fear we have stepped backwards in a big way.
I should stop i don't want to take the thread off course. We could chat offline if desired.
So the Remington is accurate? How's the trigger pull? Throw some high end sights on it and you're good to go. If I were doing 1911 again thats what I'd do (or get a cheap Rock Island, tear it down and build it back up).
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We have open carry in Michigan and I'll be honest, it usually causes issues. Sure you get people that do it correctly and cause no problems, but we do get a lot of ass hats that will purposely sling a rifle over their shoulder and walk into Walmart and the like and then challenge every single person that seems a bit panicked by the guy with a gun. I'm not saying I'm against open carry at all but it does bring out a lot of frienimies
Open carry is quite common at my part of Kentucky (but not near the larger cities Lex and Lsv). The other day I saw someone carrying a compensated 1911 at Krogers. It looked like really clean custom work and I was lol "wow nice race gun" and we talked for abit.
At the farmer's market, I see lots of folks open carrying small revolvers in .38 or .357.
KingCracker wrote: We have open carry in Michigan and I'll be honest, it usually causes issues. Sure you get people that do it correctly and cause no problems, but we do get a lot of ass hats that will purposely sling a rifle over their shoulder and walk into Walmart and the like and then challenge every single person that seems a bit panicked by the guy with a gun. I'm not saying I'm against open carry at all but it does bring out a lot of frienimies
Up here in northern Michigan I see people open carry fairly often and nobody bats an eyelid. Done it before myself and the only comment I got was from a guy asking how I liked my M&P because he was thinking about getting one
I'm talking pistols here. Only people I've seen open carrying long guns are hunters during season.
Open carry is really common in Colorado and Arizona, long guns might get you some concern, but for the most part in AZ especially the negative attention you're drawing is getting held up in transit because some old timer wants to ask about your sidearm.
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Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
I also have an R1 1911.... how do you like it overall?
I find it great for it's price. For a bog standared GI model with, of course a few upgrades from remington, it is surprisingly accurate and reliable.
Cool, that's about my experience as well, but a few of my former army buddies/ guys in my unit kept busting on the pistol for being "cheap" or unreliable or other BS, when I had had no problems whatsoever.
PAs Open Carry has too many pitfalls, so I went ahead and got my LTCF Now I can carry in the car, with sport coat, under shirt etc and not worry if I am in violation of carrying. I myself conceal carry because I feel that I am giving away any tactical advantage (surprise) by open carrying. But that's a personal decision that I dont want to force on others.
KingCracker wrote: We have open carry in Michigan and I'll be honest, it usually causes issues. Sure you get people that do it correctly and cause no problems, but we do get a lot of ass hats that will purposely sling a rifle over their shoulder and walk into Walmart and the like and then challenge every single person that seems a bit panicked by the guy with a gun. I'm not saying I'm against open carry at all but it does bring out a lot of frienimies
Up here in northern Michigan I see people open carry fairly often and nobody bats an eyelid. Done it before myself and the only comment I got was from a guy asking how I liked my M&P because he was thinking about getting one
I'm talking pistols here. Only people I've seen open carrying long guns are hunters during season.
And I can really see it up there with no problems. I'm in the southern part of Michigan where the wilds are far less wild
Again I'm not against it but I've seen/heard it cause more trouble than its worth
KingCracker wrote: We have open carry in Michigan and I'll be honest, it usually causes issues. Sure you get people that do it correctly and cause no problems, but we do get a lot of ass hats that will purposely sling a rifle over their shoulder and walk into Walmart and the like and then challenge every single person that seems a bit panicked by the guy with a gun. I'm not saying I'm against open carry at all but it does bring out a lot of frienimies
Up here in northern Michigan I see people open carry fairly often and nobody bats an eyelid. Done it before myself and the only comment I got was from a guy asking how I liked my M&P because he was thinking about getting one
I'm talking pistols here. Only people I've seen open carrying long guns are hunters during season.
And I can really see it up there with no problems. I'm in the southern part of Michigan where the wilds are far less wild
Again I'm not against it but I've seen/heard it cause more trouble than its worth
I'm in northern Indiana and to date, outside the gun stores, I have seen one person OC in the almost three years I've been here.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Looks like we may have something to help settle the AR v shotgun debate for home defense. The answer is, BOTH!
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KingCracker wrote: We have open carry in Michigan and I'll be honest, it usually causes issues. Sure you get people that do it correctly and cause no problems, but we do get a lot of ass hats that will purposely sling a rifle over their shoulder and walk into Walmart and the like and then challenge every single person that seems a bit panicked by the guy with a gun. I'm not saying I'm against open carry at all but it does bring out a lot of frienimies
Up here in northern Michigan I see people open carry fairly often and nobody bats an eyelid. Done it before myself and the only comment I got was from a guy asking how I liked my M&P because he was thinking about getting one
I'm talking pistols here. Only people I've seen open carrying long guns are hunters during season.
And I can really see it up there with no problems. I'm in the southern part of Michigan where the wilds are far less wild
Again I'm not against it but I've seen/heard it cause more trouble than its worth
I'm in northern Indiana and to date, outside the gun stores, I have seen one person OC in the almost three years I've been here.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Looks like we may have something to help settle the AR v shotgun debate for home defense. The answer is, BOTH!
Id want one, but it looks like it would take away one of the advantages of the AR rifle: weight.
Spacemanvic wrote: Id want one, but it looks like it would take away one of the advantages of the AR rifle: weight.
How much of a factor is weight for home defense?
Tons. You need it to have a low enough mass to not tire your arm out while still having a high enough mass to still be serve as an effective cudgel if the vile gakker has the audacity to survive the first dozen or so shots .... or, erm, controlable recoil. Yeah, controlable recoil, definitely that.
Serious note: would the length of the rifle count toward the length of the shotgun?
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Spacemanvic wrote: Id want one, but it looks like it would take away one of the advantages of the AR rifle: weight.
How much of a factor is weight for home defense?
Tons. You need it to have a low enough mass to not tire your arm out while still having a high enough mass to still be serve as an effective cudgel if the vile gakker has the audacity to survive the first dozen or so shots .... or, erm, controlable recoil. Yeah, controlable recoil, definitely that.
I'd disagree. You should be in a safe position, not paying tacticool ninja trying to slice the pie. Call the police and brace that shotgun until they arrive.
Serious note: would the length of the rifle count toward the length of the shotgun?
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I'd disagree. You should be in a safe position, not paying tacticool ninja trying to slice the pie. Call the police and brace that shotgun until they arrive.
The last thing I want is some police officer playing Battlefield: Hardline in my living room, possibly shooting me in the process. I've had better training than them...I'd rather handle it myself and call them after the fact.
I'd disagree. You should be in a safe position, not paying tacticool ninja trying to slice the pie. Call the police and brace that shotgun until they arrive.
Frazz, that's great in theory. Personal experience? It's not always an option. Particularly in an area with a long police response time. (Salamanca's sometimes take 2 hours to drive three blocks, like the time my car was stolen.)
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Spacemanvic wrote: Id want one, but it looks like it would take away one of the advantages of the AR rifle: weight.
How much of a factor is weight for home defense?
Tons. You need it to have a low enough mass to not tire your arm out while still having a high enough mass to still be serve as an effective cudgel if the vile gakker has the audacity to survive the first dozen or so shots .... or, erm, controlable recoil. Yeah, controlable recoil, definitely that.
I'd disagree. You should be in a safe position, not paying tacticool ninja trying to slice the pie. Call the police and brace that shotgun until they arrive.
My tactical underslung chainsaw-tommahawk-ninja-needle launcher disagrees with you.
Serious note: would the length of the rifle count toward the length of the shotgun?
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