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I've always taken "Assault" to mean "High rate of fire". Yes, I realize this would mean that most semi-auto pistols are 'assault' as well.

Or possibly weapons with burstfire settings, or full-auto settings.

Basically a weapon designed to be used in combat, as opposed to a weapon designed for use in hunting.


Also- what was the private property he was standing on? Was it a private residence? I always thought that sidewalks (where I assume he was standing- correct me if I'm wrong, please) were considered public.



However, his comment about 'guns aren't designed to kill' is just stupid. Better to say "Guns aren't designed to murder", if you're gonna go the 'people are dangerous, guns are tools' route. Guns are totally designed to kill. In fact, they're pretty terrible at anything else. At least a sword can be used as an oversized knife, and even then people readily admit that swords are designed purely as weapons.

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Anvildude wrote:
I've always taken "Assault" to mean "High rate of fire". Yes, I realize this would mean that most semi-auto pistols are 'assault' as well.


Early 20th Century British Soldiers were trained to shoot their bolt-action rifles at very high rates of fire. Are Lee-Enfields therefore "assault weapons"? The term simply has no meaning beyond trying to frighten stupid people.

Anvildude wrote:
Or possibly weapons with burstfire settings, or full-auto settings.


These are legally termed "Machine Guns" in the US. Again, "Assault Weapon" is nonsense and not applicable.

Anvildude wrote:
Guns are totally designed to kill. In fact, they're pretty terrible at anything else.


They're pretty good for cooking bacon.

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 Alex C wrote:
Anvildude wrote:
I've always taken "Assault" to mean "High rate of fire". Yes, I realize this would mean that most semi-auto pistols are 'assault' as well.


Early 20th Century British Soldiers were trained to shoot their bolt-action rifles at very high rates of fire. Are Lee-Enfields therefore "assault weapons"? The term simply has no meaning beyond trying to frighten stupid people.


The MAD MINUTE! I've done that with one once. Its awesome (when its not for real of course) fun. BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM

I still have a tin of .303 rounds (but no .303). If I could find a good reproduction .303 at a decent price I'd buy that sucker, put a scope on it, and develop a bad Madonna British accent.

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 Frazzled wrote:
 Alex C wrote:
Anvildude wrote:
I've always taken "Assault" to mean "High rate of fire". Yes, I realize this would mean that most semi-auto pistols are 'assault' as well.


Early 20th Century British Soldiers were trained to shoot their bolt-action rifles at very high rates of fire. Are Lee-Enfields therefore "assault weapons"? The term simply has no meaning beyond trying to frighten stupid people.


The MAD MINUTE! I've done that with one once. Its awesome (when its not for real of course) fun. BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM

I still have a tin of .303 rounds (but no .303). If I could find a good reproduction .303 at a decent price I'd buy that sucker, put a scope on it, and develop a bad Madonna British accent.


I have 4 Lee-Enfields and have done mad-minute with all of them. It is hugely satisfying

Got a couple of cans of 50's surplus .303 ammo, all in clips, in bandoleers. I'm loathe to use it because the only .303 I see these days is $2/round hunting ammo and even that's rare.

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Anvildude wrote:
I've always taken "Assault" to mean "High rate of fire". Yes, I realize this would mean that most semi-auto pistols are 'assault' as well.

Or possibly weapons with burstfire settings, or full-auto settings.

Basically a weapon designed to be used in combat, as opposed to a weapon designed for use in hunting.


Also- what was the private property he was standing on? Was it a private residence? I always thought that sidewalks (where I assume he was standing- correct me if I'm wrong, please) were considered public.



However, his comment about 'guns aren't designed to kill' is just stupid. Better to say "Guns aren't designed to murder", if you're gonna go the 'people are dangerous, guns are tools' route. Guns are totally designed to kill. In fact, they're pretty terrible at anything else. At least a sword can be used as an oversized knife, and even then people readily admit that swords are designed purely as weapons.

An assault rifle is typically defined as a rifle that is chambered for an intermediate round, is select fire capable, and is magazine fed. The AR15 cannot be an assault rifle as it lacks select fire capability.

 
   
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 Alex C wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 Alex C wrote:
Anvildude wrote:
I've always taken "Assault" to mean "High rate of fire". Yes, I realize this would mean that most semi-auto pistols are 'assault' as well.


Early 20th Century British Soldiers were trained to shoot their bolt-action rifles at very high rates of fire. Are Lee-Enfields therefore "assault weapons"? The term simply has no meaning beyond trying to frighten stupid people.


The MAD MINUTE! I've done that with one once. Its awesome (when its not for real of course) fun. BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM

I still have a tin of .303 rounds (but no .303). If I could find a good reproduction .303 at a decent price I'd buy that sucker, put a scope on it, and develop a bad Madonna British accent.


I have 4 Lee-Enfields and have done mad-minute with all of them. It is hugely satisfying

Got a couple of cans of 50's surplus .303 ammo, all in clips, in bandoleers. I'm loathe to use it because the only .303 I see these days is $2/round hunting ammo and even that's rare.

Thefirearmblog just posted a video of a military rifle competition in Scandinavia that had some crazy rapid fire bolt action work. They shot Closing the bolt with their thumb and pulled the trigger with their middle finger.

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Many guys who shoot Mad Minute operate the bolt with thumb and index finger while the trigger is pulled with the middle finger. It's very fast, especially with a Lee-Enfield action.

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Yeah, media and legal terms in the U.S. Are misleading.

Conventionally, a machine gun is some sort of belt or box fed weapon capable of prolonged suppressive fire. Usually fired off a tripod / bipod or vehicle mounted. Legally, in the U.S., a machine gun is any fully automatic / select fire firearm. These have been restricted since the 1980s.

Conventionally, an assault rifle is a select fire rifle that can still be toted around by individual infantry and fired on the move. Starting with the Stg44 and then the AK later. But in the U.S., the media and ATF unfairly like to refer to any SEMI- automatic firearm that "looks scary" as an assault rifle.
   
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 KiloFiX wrote:
Yeah, media and legal terms in the U.S. Are misleading.

Conventionally, a machine gun is some sort of belt or box fed weapon capable of prolonged suppressive fire. Usually fired off a tripod / bipod or vehicle mounted. Legally, in the U.S., a machine gun is any fully automatic / select fire firearm. These have been restricted since the 1980s.

Conventionally, an assault rifle is a select fire rifle that can still be toted around by individual infantry and fired on the move. Starting with the Stg44 and then the AK later. But in the U.S., the media and ATF unfairly like to refer to any SEMI- automatic firearm that "looks scary" as an assault rifle.


So to piggyback on machine guns - post-86 machineguns can't be *sold* but I think they've been restricted since the 30s.

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 Alex C wrote:
Many guys who shoot Mad Minute operate the bolt with thumb and index finger while the trigger is pulled with the middle finger. It's very fast, especially with a Lee-Enfield action.

Funny I have never seen that before, but I also don't have any old British training manuals that cover the mad minute with a bolt action. Stranger still I was taught that technique to close the bolt while de cocking a Mauser bolt action (actually squeezing the trigger as you close the bolt so it decocks) but never tried shooting that way. Weekend plans confirmed! I'm a fast bolt action shooter, wonder if I can speed that up with a middle trigger finger!

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"Giving them the middle finger" takes on a whole new meaning!

Not sure if it was an "official" technique, but it works well.

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Who knows, maybe that's where the gesture came from in the first place!

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Anvildude wrote:
Who knows, maybe that's where the gesture came from in the first place!


Would be quite ironic, as the two-fingered "gesture" in the UK comes from a Longbowman taunt...

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 Alex C wrote:
Anvildude wrote:
Who knows, maybe that's where the gesture came from in the first place!


Would be quite ironic, as the two-fingered "gesture" in the UK comes from a Longbowman taunt...

I thought the longbowman used a pinch release? That is cool!

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 Insurgency Walker wrote:
 Alex C wrote:
Anvildude wrote:
Who knows, maybe that's where the gesture came from in the first place!


Would be quite ironic, as the two-fingered "gesture" in the UK comes from a Longbowman taunt...

I thought the longbowman used a pinch release? That is cool!


Well that's a popular theory on it's origin anyway. Don't think anyone knows for sure. Sounds as good as any other theory though.

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 Alex C wrote:
Many guys who shoot Mad Minute operate the bolt with thumb and index finger while the trigger is pulled with the middle finger. It's very fast, especially with a Lee-Enfield action.




There's a video that iraqveteran8888 did shooting a .22 bolt action that way and man he was slinging bullets with the quickness.
   
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New acquisitions, Levergats!

A trio of Marlins (all pre-Remington), a 336 in 30-30, and two 1894's in .44 and .357 and never been shot before.


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Beautiful. I'd love to shoot a lever action some time, I don't think the local range has one for rent though.

 
   
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Nice looking guns. I had an old lever action 30-30 marlin. Great gun
   
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Sweet!

I've got 2 Winchester '94 rifles in .32 and 30-30 along with a Henry in .22.

Fun guns!

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The brown gun is my newest family member. It's an LWRC M6 A5.
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Very nice. Is that a piston or DI rifle?

 
   
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Piston. I think all LWRC's are piston.

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That's what I thought but I'm not really familiar with LWRCs

 
   
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It's a nice gun. The aimpoint T2 is nice. I like it more than my T1.
   
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Did that come stock in FDE, or did you send it off to be cerakoted/durakoted?

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It came like that. Only thing I did to the gun is add the sling,red dot, and forward grip.
   
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Nice. I wish I had gotten a piston AR instead of a DI.

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I heard piston AR's aren't as accurate but on the first day I shot it I did a 1 inch group at 100 yards with it. That's plenty good enough for me.
   
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I read that the army uses a 25 yard BZO, thus making the effective range about 250 yards. I never tried that with a red dot. Do you guys think/know if it will work with a red dot.
   
 
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